Moore, learning on the job

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No one here knows the relationship between Garret and Moore. We don't know the extent of Garrett's involvement in the planning or calling but he was once where Moore is so to think he's not tapping into that experience doesn't make any sense. Who else on the team could counsel Moore?

There's also an assumption that Garrett wanted to keep Linehan but he could have been just assuming that he would come back because he was still under contract and didn't think Booger would take a chance on a coach with one year of experience.

Some are also looking at Moore to replace Garrett if he's not extended but what if the plan is to have him replace Garrett when he is upped to the FO?

It's fun speculating about what we think we know but don't take any of that seriously. Like Garrett took over the play calling after 3 games because he felt threatened. That's akin to if it's good, must be McClay, if it's bad, gotta be Booger.

What we are witnessing is the education of Kellen Moore and it's hard knocks from here on out. He's up against DC's with a lot more experience and some very good players. The biggest mistake we can make is to not expect mistakes. The end of that MIN game was a learning experience for Young Kellen and it will not be the last one we will see.

On the flip side of that is Moore sent the message that his QB and receiving corps can handle it if the DC commits to shutting the run down. I think the DC's got a little more to worry about than Elliott from that Vikings game. Prescott and his triplets stepped up, got open and made several jaw dropping catches.

actually there were rumors last year that garrett wanted to get rid of Linehan prior to 2018....Jerry over ruled.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Like what I've seen from Moore... I didn't expect much but I'm very excited about his plays and designs. I still think Moore is being held back by Jason... I believe our offense can be just as explosive as KC but Jason is in the way....Jason can't Change and never will.

sorry, I missed the connection you were trying to make....how is moore being held back by Jason? I thought we had the #1 offense in the league?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Wasn't it the other way around? They dared us to pass the ball and we ran anyway?

And what makes you so sure that its Moore that is making these all these decisions? Could be.

Overall, Moore has been a breath of fresh air. We have the #1 ranked offense in football and Dak and the passing game are absolutely killing it. However, we still seem to see that conservative, Garrett influence in certain situations like at the beginning of games and the end of games.

It seems when we drop the original game plan and Moore is allowed to free flow with the passing game, we dominate.

Then we come back out at halftime and do the same conservative nonsense again.

I took that excerpt from the broddus article. not sure, but perhaps they were disguising the defense......

moore has been heck of a lot better than linehan.

 

[exciter]

what are Eber and Campbell's resume and credentials over a Kris Richard ?
If they have to consider Flus or Campbell, then they have to consider someone from inside but it's very likely that it could be an offensive HC coach whose system is as close to this
one as possible with the idea that the HC knows how to expand and be versatile in maximizing Dak's skill set, while also displaying leader of men credentials.

Dak has come a helluva long way on improving and capitalizing his skill set- as he doesn't hold the ball en route to unnecessary sacks, his accuracy is not as sickling and painful to watch
as it was years before. and do we want Dak to have to change and adjust to an entirely different offensive system and passing teachers ?
you don't want to end up with a Zac Taylor ( Cincy HC)

According to reports when he left, Jerry offered to give Eberfluss the DC position and move Marinelli to a defensive consultant. Flus turned it down in respect to Marinelli. The year prior to him going there Indy was the 31st ranked defense. They finished his 1st season ranked 11th with basically the same players as the year prior. It was his defense this season that 1st slowed down KC and laid the blueprint for other teams to do so. As for Campbell its mostly his familiarity with Jerry as a player and through Payton. Payton gave him the assistant head coaching title so there must be something he's offering that Payton would prefer not losing. I was going to mention Richard in OP but got tired of typing. I think he's another candidate. He's taken over the defense here and personally I haven't been all that impressed. The same miscommunication and discipline issues that got him fired in Seattle have seemed to follow him here. He's a very good defensive backs coach but that may be his ceiling!

 

[exciter]

some one mentioned Roman from Baltimore. he has done pretty good up there with the offense.

The issue with Roman would be that he would probably want to install his offense. After the year Dak is having I doubt Jerry is open to Dak having to learn a new offense a 2nd year in a row. Also Roman's previous stints in NY and Buffalo were not all that impressive!

 

[9of11]

sorry, I missed the connection you were trying to make....how is moore being held back by Jason? I thought we had the #1 offense in the league?

So did I LOL, I should have put an example of what I meant and been a lot more clear. The last series against the Vikings I believe Moore tried to please Jason by being conservative....too me the last three plays was all Jason influence over Moore...if that makes sense...

 

[visionary]

And so the drum beat if convenient excuses to keep Garrett starts

as predictable as the sun rising tomorrow

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The issue with Roman would be that he would probably want to install his offense. After the year Dak is having I doubt Jerry is open to Dak having to learn a new offense a 2nd year in a row. Also Roman's previous stints in NY and Buffalo were not all that impressive!

well, this is the same offense and same play book. except for play calls (which route combinations) and a lot of pre-snap movement to create mismatches on defense. Plus we are running a lot more deep plays and have asked Dak to attack deep....so its not a new offense. its the offense he has been in for 4 years...this was also discussed in preseason.

also, any other coach that would come, would install their own offense......unless you are suggesting we should keep Garrett?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So did I LOL, I should have put an example of what I meant and been a lot more clear. The last series against the Vikings I believe Moore tried to please Jason by being conservative....too me the last three plays was all Jason influence over Moore...if that makes sense...

I wouldn't read it that way...I think Moore learned a lesson. I doubt if in the middle of the game, Moore decided, hmmm, this is the time for me to please Jason....he had run a lot of run calls on first down, with minimal success....even some trickery running with Austin....he tried Pollard too and it failed as well.

 

[exciter]

well, this is the same offense and same play book. except for play calls (which route combinations) and a lot of pre-snap movement to create mismatches on defense. Plus we are running a lot more deep plays and have asked Dak to attack deep....so its not a new offense. its the offense he has been in for 4 years...this was also discussed in preseason.

also, any other coach that would come, would install their own offense......unless you are suggesting we should keep Garrett?

It's a retweaked version of what they had been running closely resembling the 07 08 offense. There's enough presnap motion and variation from what was run under linehan, that it might as well be a new offense. What I'm saying is, I'm guessing Jerry is going to be reluctant to move on from Moore after the results so far this season. More than likely whoever the new coach is, he's most likely go to be running some variant of the same offense anyway.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I mentioned before the season start that as giddy as we all maybe with Moore, he is a 2nd year coach and first year OC...although he may have a bright future, he is got a learning curve, and NFL DCs will school him a few times during the season.

"..Zimmer continued to dare Moore to run the ball and he fell for the trap by doing so..." and Moore fell for that trap, by doing exactly that and those little things make the difference in a close game. he got too smart for his own good, running twice close to the end zone. I guess he thought he is crossing Zimmer by running, and they would be expecting a pass...

Moore joins Jason in perpetual on the job training because Garrett is 9 years in and is still learning, it is a true process.

 

[Diehardblues]

There is absolutely no way with the talent this offense has that you hand the OC job to a guy with 1 year coaching experience. I really like Moore, but this move was just another poor decision. There's a learning curve and this team didn't have time for it.

Bingo.

This young QB and Elite seasoned talent surrounding needed a veteran OC because this team was set to win now not build for the future.

And why we need a veteran proven HC come in next year instead of another puppet. Because this team is built to win now not build for the future.

This is the basis of why Jerry will let Jason go because he and Stephen think this team is good enough to win now. Not 2-3 years down the road.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It's a retweaked version of what they had been running closely resembling the 07 08 offense. There's enough presnap motion and variation from what was run under linehan, that it might as well be a new offense. What I'm saying is, I'm guessing Jerry is going to be reluctant to move on from Moore after the results so far this season. More than likely whoever the new coach is, he's most likely go to be running some variant of the same offense anyway.

I think Moore will have a good future, but I also would hate to have Jerry push him on new coaching staff, by keeping/hiring him prior to his head coach, ala what he did with Garrett and Wade.

not to argue further, the pre-snap motions and motions is new, but the plays after the snap are the same. I argued in the past that most NFL routes and plays are similar, the difference is in the combination of routes you include in a play to "scheme" someone open and the pre-snap movements to read the defense or set them up.

and at the end of the day, it all comes down to execution.

 

[Diehardblues]

I think Moore will have a good future, but I also would hate to have Jerry push him on new coaching staff, by keeping/hiring him prior to his head coach, ala what he did with Garrett and Wade.

not to argue further, the pre-snap motions and motions is new, but the plays after the snap are the same. I argued in the past that most NFL routes and plays are similar, the difference is in the combination of routes you include in a play to "scheme" someone open and the pre-snap movements to read the defense or set them up.

and at the end of the day, it all comes down to execution.

I’m sure our new Puppet will be pleased with the current staff Jerry has assembled . Lol

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Bingo.

This young QB and Elite seasoned talent surrounding needed a veteran OC because this team was set to win now not build for the future.

And why we need a veteran proven HC come in next year instead of another puppet. Because this team is built to win now not build for the future.

This is the basis of why Jerry will let Jason go because he and Stephen think this team is good enough to win now. Not 2-3 years down the road.

the problem was something jerry created....Garrett in the last year of his contract. constant turnover of the staff including rumors of Linehan being let go in 2018, then stays and all the criticism. previous assistants leaving, its a coaching mess. no good OC would have taken the job, specially with Garrett in his last year of contract. Moore was the only choice, or let Garrett be the OC.

 

[Diehardblues]

the problem was something jerry created....Garrett in the last year of his contract. constant turnover of the staff including rumors of Linehan being let go in 2018, then stays and all the criticism. previous assistants leaving, its a coaching mess. no good OC would have taken the job, specially with Garrett in his last year of contract. Moore was the only choice, or let Garrett be the OC.

I can’t wait to see what good HC will want to come into this mess.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I can’t wait to see what good HC will want to come into this mess.

that's the challenge....any good coach worth their dollars, probably will shun the cowboys...those with big names may look at cowboys as a stepping stone to something else, knowing it will last 2-4 years. Jerry meddling is a real thing and it always leads to a mess....we can blame garrett all we want, but he was also a puppet...

 

[Big_D]

And so the drum beat if convenient excuses to keep Garrett starts

as predictable as the sun rising tomorrow

Hell no. This ain't an excuse to keep Garrett. Not at all. I just think it was a poor decision. The HC is very much a part of that. That's the problem. I don't want to make Moore the scapaegoat, I'd keep him over Garrett. But think they should've brought in an experienced coach to run the offense considering the talent there and being on the cusp of competing for championships.

The team has to stop with these learn on the job hires. Stupid back in 07, still stupid in 2019. I think this team needs the coaching overhaul treatment and a fresh start with a quality HC.

 

[Diehardblues]

Hell no. This ain't an excuse to keep Garrett. Not at all. I just think it was a poor decision. The HC is very much a part of that. That's the problem. I don't want to make Moore the scapaegoat, I'd keep him over Garrett. But think they should've brought in an experienced coach to run the offense considering the talent there and being on the cusp of competing for championships.

The team has to stop with these learn on the job hires. Stupid back in 07, still stupid in 2019. I think this team needs the coaching overhaul treatment and a fresh start with a quality HC.

Of course . Does anyone really believe that’s a possibility with Jerry?

 

[visionary]

Hell no. This ain't an excuse to keep Garrett. Not at all. I just think it was a poor decision. The HC is very much a part of that. That's the problem. I don't want to make Moore the scapaegoat, I'd keep him over Garrett. But think they should've brought in an experienced coach to run the offense considering the talent there and being on the cusp of competing for championships.

The team has to stop with these learn on the job hires. Stupid back in 07, still stupid in 2019. I think this team needs the coaching overhaul treatment and a fresh start with a quality HC.

garrett will stay unless the team totally tanks

the excuses will be

1. Moore was a first year OC “so what do you expect, he’s learning and we can’t change the system”

2. it was the fault of the defense so Marinelli ‘retires’

I said these before the season started