News: Moore: Will Cowboys retain Brandon Carr? They will if this happens ...

RandyOh

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If I am understanding the situation correctly, currently he would cost us 13.8 million against the cap. We can all agree that is too high. If we cut him, it will save around 6.4 million, but it will still cost us over 7 million against the cap. I think we need to have three corners that we can rely on. I don't want to cut him and have to look for two corners. If I have the numbers right, I think it makes sense to see if he will take a pay cut in the neighborhood of what we would save. We can still use that extra money to sign a mid-level or upper mid-level CB FA. That would give us Scandrick, Carr, and let's say Jenkins. Carr is not a #1 corner, but I think he is a solid #2 or #3. That trio would give us a very solid, veteran CB trio.

Jenkins is not a mid level free agent. He is a top level free agent and will get paid like one.

Look up Patrick Robinson. Read from saints fan that he is a playmaker and good run support covering the slot. Played for San Diego last year on a 1 year 2 million dollar contract. I would swoop him up early
 

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Jenkins is not a mid level free agent. He is a top level free agent and will get paid like one.

Look up Patrick Robinson. Read from saints fan that he is a playmaker and good run support covering the slot. Played for San Diego last year on a 1 year 2 million dollar contract. I would swoop him up early

Top level, then is he in the $18,000,000 neighborhood now?
 

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Not that top but if Bron Maxwell can get a 6 year 63 million dollar deal then Jenkins will get his money too.

Uh, Dallas didn't end up paying that for Hardy...?

Jenkins may get that in this off season of plenty...but that line might be high for the current Dallas projected needs.
 

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Carr isn't a bad corner due too lack of interceptions..... He's bad cause he gives up play after play during the game.
 

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Cut Carr and let Mo walk unless one of them comes back for <4m

Bring back OScan and BJones as CBs with TMitchell and Olatoye.

Sign Eric Weddle or TGipson for FS and let Wilcox and Church fight it out for SS.
 

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If I am understanding the situation correctly, currently he would cost us 13.8 million against the cap. We can all agree that is too high. If we cut him, it will save around 6.4 million, but it will still cost us over 7 million against the cap. I think we need to have three corners that we can rely on. I don't want to cut him and have to look for two corners. If I have the numbers right, I think it makes sense to see if he will take a pay cut in the neighborhood of what we would save. We can still use that extra money to sign a mid-level or upper mid-level CB FA. That would give us Scandrick, Carr, and let's say Jenkins. Carr is not a #1 corner, but I think he is a solid #2 or #3. That trio would give us a very solid, veteran CB trio.

This except why would he take a cut. I don't see the team having any leverage now. IF they resign Claiborne which I favor then they have a little bit. You still need 3 solid corners at the least. I'd say you really need 3 starters and 2 solid backups. We cut Carr and we have one guy now in OScan.

People have been trying to cut the guy and you just don't have the dollars or depth right.
 

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This except why would he take a cut. I don't see the team having any leverage now. IF they resign Claiborne which I favor then they have a little bit. You still need 3 solid corners at the least. I'd say you really need 3 starters and 2 solid backups. We cut Carr and we have one guy now in OScan.

People have been trying to cut the guy and you just don't have the dollars or depth right.

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when they signed him originally, he was the #2 CB on his own team in KC...he is a #2 CB, you can't blame him for Dallas overpaying...the guy comes with his lunchpail every day...because of his contract, he is touted as the #1 CB and draws those assignments...he sometimes fails at that...IMO, since his leverage is now gone, he needs to take a pay cut, or he is jettisoned...but, if they decide to cut him for financial reasons, then that changes things in their secondary...does jones get a CB role instead of the hybrid? will OScan come back healthy and be a #1 CB? regardless, CB or safety are MORE in play in the draft...drafting for need vs BPA is not the best scenario...I am for keeping him as long as his contract isn't prohibitive
 

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Cut Carr and let Mo walk unless one of them comes back for <4m

Bring back OScan and BJones as CBs with TMitchell and Olatoye.

Sign Eric Weddle or TGipson for FS and let Wilcox and Church fight it out for SS.

Bring back a veteran nucleus with Dallas experienced Scandrick, Jones, Mitchell, and Olatoye and, well...

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that's what the secondary would look like.
 

KJJ

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Carr is a liability time to move on.
 

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This fanbase's willingness to accept medicority almost rivals the front office.

Its not a matter of accepting mediocracy, its trying to minimize your losses here. Look, it was a bad contract and the team got burned, but you got to look going forwards how to minimize your losses. Of course if Carr says no to any type of paycut, he is released, but if he does take a modest paycut, this is what you are looking at.

Right now Carr is on the books for about $13 million........way too much money for his production.........however, if we release him, we have to eat about $7 million in dead money. We then have to go and get another CB in free agency that can be a starter. Lets do the math here.....

New CB in free agency will cost you $3 million easy, so add that to the $7 million cap hit for releasing Carr and you are already at $10 million. Now that would be the same as Carr taking a $3 million dollar pay cut to drop from his cap hit from $13 to $10 million.

Ergo, it all come down to the evaluation......can you get a CB for $3 million in free agency that will be better than Carr if he takes a $3 million pay cut? The cap hit as I just showed you is the same either way, so that is the decision you have to make.
 

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Its not a matter of accepting mediocracy, its trying to minimize your losses here. Look, it was a bad contract and the team got burned, but you got to look going forwards how to minimize your losses. Of course if Carr says no to any type of paycut, he is released, but if he does take a modest paycut, this is what you are looking at.

Right now Carr is on the books for about $13 million........way too much money for his production.........however, if we release him, we have to eat about $7 million in dead money. We then have to go and get another CB in free agency that can be a starter. Lets do the math here.....

New CB in free agency will cost you $3 million easy, so add that to the $7 million cap hit for releasing Carr and you are already at $10 million. Now that would be the same as Carr taking a $3 million dollar pay cut to drop from his cap hit from $13 to $10 million.

Ergo, it all come down to the evaluation......can you get a CB for $3 million in free agency that will be better than Carr if he takes a $3 million pay cut? The cap hit as I just showed you is the same either way, so that is the decision you have to make.

It isn't just about the cap hit.

You are allowed to IMPROVE at a position.

I would gladly pay a little more to get better production from our CBs.

If we aren't going to get better, I would rather play Mitchell and Olatoye and save 20m against the cap for other positions. At least they had 2 INTs compared to 0 for Carr and Mo.
 

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Its not a matter of accepting mediocracy, its trying to minimize your losses here. Look, it was a bad contract and the team got burned, but you got to look going forwards how to minimize your losses. Of course if Carr says no to any type of paycut, he is released, but if he does take a modest paycut, this is what you are looking at.

Right now Carr is on the books for about $13 million........way too much money for his production.........however, if we release him, we have to eat about $7 million in dead money. We then have to go and get another CB in free agency that can be a starter. Lets do the math here.....

New CB in free agency will cost you $3 million easy, so add that to the $7 million cap hit for releasing Carr and you are already at $10 million. Now that would be the same as Carr taking a $3 million dollar pay cut to drop from his cap hit from $13 to $10 million.

Ergo, it all come down to the evaluation......can you get a CB for $3 million in free agency that will be better than Carr if he takes a $3 million pay cut? The cap hit as I just showed you is the same either way, so that is the decision you have to make.

I'm not sure you are understanding how the cap hit works.

Carr costs us $13,817,000 against the cap next year if he is still on the team (and refuses to take a paycut).

If he is released, it saves us $6,383,000 in cap room. Yes, $7,434,000 is dead money but that is 13,817,000 - 7,434,000 so the Cowboys now gain $6,383,000 in cap room. He counts $7,434,000 no matter what, unless of course he is June 1st cut. In that scenario, he hits us for $4,717,000 in dead money in 2016 and then another $2,717,000 in 2017. We would gain $9,100,000 but not until after June 1st.

So if I can use $3M to sign a new free agent CB who will come in, compete, and play at an equal or hopefully higher level than Carr has the past few years, I'd still have another $3.383M to go fix another position. Plus, Carr would be completely off the books before 2017.
 

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I honestly didn't read the thread or the article, but when they say "if this happens" I hope the next sentence was if he actually becomes good
 

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Question: If Dallas did not request to reduce his salary last year, why would they this year, with additional cap room available? Not to mention 3 starting caliber CBs prior to 2015, and only two currently, with one coming back from knee surgery.

Likely Carr plays out his contract this year.
 
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