More Picks Than Spots?

[JoaquinFenix]

After compensatory picks have been awarded, it looks like the Cowboys will have 11 picks going into draft day. My question is whether the Cowboys will even have 11 roster spots available on the 53-man roster. And if not, should we trade up?

Sure, they could let some of their rookies duke it out in TC, and then either cut the ones who don't make the grade or stash them on the practice squad. But I've got two problems with that approach: 1) I understand that this year the salaries of rookies who are cut during TC will be added to the cap, thus increasing our already-bloated amount of dead money; and 2) I'd rather use fewer picks on a group of studs who can contribute than on a ton of late-late-round fliers who may or may not shake out.

Here's a list of our current roster with my notation of whether I think they'll be on the 53-man roster.

76 Adams, Flozell OT 6-7 340 11 Michigan State: YES
34 Anderson, Deon FB 5-10 241 1 Connecticut: YES
95 Anderson, Tim DT 6-4 315 6 Ohio State: NO
20 Ball, Alan CB 6-1 176 1 Illinois: YES
24 Barber, Marion RB 6-0 221 4 Minnesota: YES
35 Battle, Tra S 5-11 173 1 Georgia: YES
80 Bennett, Martellus TE 6-6 252 R Texas A&M: YES
51 Brooking, Keith LB 6-2 241 11 Georgia Tech: YES
27 Brown, Courtney S 6-1 203 2 Cal Poly: YES
54 Carpenter, Bobby LB 6-2 248 3 Ohio State: YES
36 Carter, Jerome S 5-11 219 5 Florida State: NO
23 Choice, Tashard RB 5-10 215 R Georgia Tech: YES
75 Colombo, Marc OT 6-8 315 7 Boston College: YES
84 Crayton, Patrick WR 6-0 205 5 NW Okla State: YES
39 Crosslin, Julius FB 5-11 245 R Oklahoma State: NO
70 Davis, Leonard G 6-6 354 8 Texas: YES
92 Dixon, Marcus DE 6-4 294 R Hampton: MAYBE
98 Ellis, Greg LB 6-6 265 11 North Carolina: YES
6 Folk, Nick K 6-1 222 1 Arizona: YES
68 Free, Doug OT 6-6 306 2 Northern Illinois: YES
62 Gibbons, Ryan G 6-4 318 1 Northeastern: NO
65 Gurode, Andre C 6-4 316 7 Colorado: YES
26 Hamlin, Ken S 6-2 206 6 Arkansas: YES
97 Hatcher, Jason DE 6-6 298 3 Grambling: YES
37 Hawkins, Michael CB 6-1 188 3 Oklahoma: NO
64 Holland, Montrae G 6-2 322 6 Florida State: YES
56 James, Bradie LB 6-2 239 6 Louisiana State: YES
21 Jenkins, Mike CB 5-11 197 R South Florida: YES
28 Jones, Felix RB 5-10 207 R Arkansas: YES
3 Kitna, Jon QB 6-2 220 12 Central Washington: YES
63 Kosier, Kyle G 6-5 294 7 Arizona State: YES
91 Ladouceur, L.P. LS 6-4 251 4 California: YES
1 McBriar, Mat P 6-1 224 5 Hawaii: YES
77 McQuistan, Pat OT 6-6 311 3 Weber State: YES
41 Newman, Terence CB 5-11 181 6 Kansas State: YES
53 Octavien, Steve LB 6-0 238 R Nebraska: MAYBE
00 Olshansky, Igor DE 6-6 309 5 Oregon: YES
90 Ratliff, Jay DE 6-4 298 4 Auburn: YES
50 Rogers, Justin LB 6-4 250 2 SMU: YES
9 Romo, Tony QB 6-2 224 6 Eastern Illinois: YES
32 Scandrick, Orlando CB 5-10 192 R Boise State: YES
43 Sensabaugh, Gerald S 6-0 204 6 North Carolina: YES
78 Siavii, Junior DT 6-5 320 3 Oregon: NO
69 Spanos, Matt C 6-5 310 1 Southern California: NO
96 Spears, Marcus DE 6-4 305 4 LSU: YES
93 Spencer, Anthony LB 6-3 257 2 Purdue: YES
86 Stanback, Isaiah WR 6-2 208 2 Washington: YES
52 Stewart, Matt LB 6-3 236 7 Vanderbilt: YES
94 Ware, DeMarcus LB 6-4 252 4 Troy: YES
87 Warren, Paris WR 6-0 213 4 Utah: NO
25 Watkins, Pat S 6-5 208 3 Florida State: YES
11 Williams, Roy WR 6-3 220 5 Texas: YES
10 Wilson, Travis WR 6-1 213 3 Oklahoma: NO
82 Witten, Jason TE 6-5 266 6 Tennessee: YES
Exclusive Free Agent
30 Coleman, Alonzo RB 5-9 202 1 Hampton: NO
44 Hannah, Rodney TE 6-6 255 R Houston: YES
Restricted Free Agent
19 Austin, Miles WR 6-3 216 3 Monmouth: YES
72 Bowen, Stephen DE 6-5 303 3 Hofstra: YES
17 Hurd, Sam WR 6-2 196 3 Northern Illinois: YES
71 Procter, Cory C 6-4 297 4 Montana: YES
Unrestricted Free Agent
5 Bollinger, Brooks QB 6-1 205 6 Wisconsin: NO
29 Davis, Keith S 5-11 207 6 Sam Houston: MAYBE
95 Johnson, Tank DT 6-3 300 5 Washington: NO
00 Polk, Carlos LB 6-2 262 8 Nebraska: NO
55 Thomas, Zach LB 5-11 228 13 Texas Tech: NO

I count 48 "Yes" votes and 3 "Maybe" votes (Keith Davis could be a "Yes" if he doesn't sign elsewhere; the others will be based on TC performance). Assuming we're done in FA and none of our RFA's are poached, we're looking to fill a maximum of 5 roster spots with 11 draft picks.

So what do ya'll think? Trade up and use about 6 picks on guys we really want, or use all 11 picks and see whether guys like Doug Free can hang on to their jobs?

 

[the fake norm hitzges]

I like where you are going with this.Makes sense to me

 

[Bigtommyb]

After compensatory picks have been awarded, it looks like the Cowboys will have 11 picks going into draft day. My question is whether the Cowboys will even have 11 roster spots available on the 53-man roster. And if not, should we trade up?

Sure, they could let some of their rookies duke it out in TC, and then either cut the ones who don't make the grade or stash them on the practice squad. But I've got two problems with that approach: 1) I understand that this year the salaries of rookies who are cut during TC will be added to the cap, thus increasing our already-bloated amount of dead money; and 2) I'd rather use fewer picks on a group of studs who can contribute than on a ton of late-late-round fliers who may or may not shake out.

Here's a list of our current roster with my notation of whether I think they'll be on the 53-man roster.

76 Adams, Flozell OT 6-7 340 11 Michigan State: YES
34 Anderson, Deon FB 5-10 241 1 Connecticut: YES
95 Anderson, Tim DT 6-4 315 6 Ohio State: NO
20 Ball, Alan CB 6-1 176 1 Illinois: YES
24 Barber, Marion RB 6-0 221 4 Minnesota: YES
35 Battle, Tra S 5-11 173 1 Georgia: YES
80 Bennett, Martellus TE 6-6 252 R Texas A&M: YES
51 Brooking, Keith LB 6-2 241 11 Georgia Tech: YES
27 Brown, Courtney S 6-1 203 2 Cal Poly: YES
54 Carpenter, Bobby LB 6-2 248 3 Ohio State: YES
36 Carter, Jerome S 5-11 219 5 Florida State: NO
23 Choice, Tashard RB 5-10 215 R Georgia Tech: YES
75 Colombo, Marc OT 6-8 315 7 Boston College: YES
84 Crayton, Patrick WR 6-0 205 5 NW Okla State: YES
39 Crosslin, Julius FB 5-11 245 R Oklahoma State: NO
70 Davis, Leonard G 6-6 354 8 Texas: YES
92 Dixon, Marcus DE 6-4 294 R Hampton: MAYBE
98 Ellis, Greg LB 6-6 265 11 North Carolina: YES
6 Folk, Nick K 6-1 222 1 Arizona: YES
68 Free, Doug OT 6-6 306 2 Northern Illinois: YES
62 Gibbons, Ryan G 6-4 318 1 Northeastern: NO
65 Gurode, Andre C 6-4 316 7 Colorado: YES
26 Hamlin, Ken S 6-2 206 6 Arkansas: YES
97 Hatcher, Jason DE 6-6 298 3 Grambling: YES
37 Hawkins, Michael CB 6-1 188 3 Oklahoma: NO
64 Holland, Montrae G 6-2 322 6 Florida State: YES
56 James, Bradie LB 6-2 239 6 Louisiana State: YES
21 Jenkins, Mike CB 5-11 197 R South Florida: YES
28 Jones, Felix RB 5-10 207 R Arkansas: YES
3 Kitna, Jon QB 6-2 220 12 Central Washington: YES
63 Kosier, Kyle G 6-5 294 7 Arizona State: YES
91 Ladouceur, L.P. LS 6-4 251 4 California: YES
1 McBriar, Mat P 6-1 224 5 Hawaii: YES
77 McQuistan, Pat OT 6-6 311 3 Weber State: YES
41 Newman, Terence CB 5-11 181 6 Kansas State: YES
53 Octavien, Steve LB 6-0 238 R Nebraska: MAYBE
00 Olshansky, Igor DE 6-6 309 5 Oregon: YES
90 Ratliff, Jay DE 6-4 298 4 Auburn: YES
50 Rogers, Justin LB 6-4 250 2 SMU: YES
9 Romo, Tony QB 6-2 224 6 Eastern Illinois: YES
32 Scandrick, Orlando CB 5-10 192 R Boise State: YES
43 Sensabaugh, Gerald S 6-0 204 6 North Carolina: YES
78 Siavii, Junior DT 6-5 320 3 Oregon: NO
69 Spanos, Matt C 6-5 310 1 Southern California: NO
96 Spears, Marcus DE 6-4 305 4 LSU: YES
93 Spencer, Anthony LB 6-3 257 2 Purdue: YES
86 Stanback, Isaiah WR 6-2 208 2 Washington: YES
52 Stewart, Matt LB 6-3 236 7 Vanderbilt: YES
94 Ware, DeMarcus LB 6-4 252 4 Troy: YES
87 Warren, Paris WR 6-0 213 4 Utah: NO
25 Watkins, Pat S 6-5 208 3 Florida State: YES
11 Williams, Roy WR 6-3 220 5 Texas: YES
10 Wilson, Travis WR 6-1 213 3 Oklahoma: NO
82 Witten, Jason TE 6-5 266 6 Tennessee: YES
Exclusive Free Agent
30 Coleman, Alonzo RB 5-9 202 1 Hampton: NO
44 Hannah, Rodney TE 6-6 255 R Houston: YES
Restricted Free Agent
19 Austin, Miles WR 6-3 216 3 Monmouth: YES
72 Bowen, Stephen DE 6-5 303 3 Hofstra: YES
17 Hurd, Sam WR 6-2 196 3 Northern Illinois: YES
71 Procter, Cory C 6-4 297 4 Montana: YES
Unrestricted Free Agent
5 Bollinger, Brooks QB 6-1 205 6 Wisconsin: NO
29 Davis, Keith S 5-11 207 6 Sam Houston: MAYBE
95 Johnson, Tank DT 6-3 300 5 Washington: NO
00 Polk, Carlos LB 6-2 262 8 Nebraska: NO
55 Thomas, Zach LB 5-11 228 13 Texas Tech: NO

I count 48 "Yes" votes and 3 "Maybe" votes (Keith Davis could be a "Yes" if he doesn't sign elsewhere; the others will be based on TC performance). Assuming we're done in FA and none of our RFA's are poached, we're looking to fill a maximum of 5 roster spots with 11 draft picks.

So what do ya'll think? Trade up and use about 6 picks on guys we really want, or use all 11 picks and see whether guys like Doug Free can hang on to their jobs?

Yes, what you do is move up to get who you want in the second or third. Not to move up in the first because we don't have first round money.

 

[NextGenBoys]

You have way to many "Yes" on that list.

I highly doubt we draft 11 people. After wheeling and dealing I would suspect it to be closer to 6 or 7, which is the way I want it. Just remember, you can snag talent late in the draft. Romo, Ratliff, Crayton and Austin were all 7th rounders or undrafted, and Barber, James, Scandrick and Choice were all picked 4th round or later.

But that list of "yes's" that you have it far too long. We're not handing jobs to that many people without them beating out rookies. And some of the people that you labeled yes for, are going to going to have to fight pretty hard to keep their job.

 

[Big Dakota]

Jerry would trade picks if he had 1 pick to trade. I think it's safe to say we won't draft 11 players and Jerry will do some trading of picks. I wouldn't be shocked if we ended up with 6 or 7 picks.

 

[speedkilz88]

After compensatory picks have been awarded, it looks like the Cowboys will have 11 picks going into draft day. My question is whether the Cowboys will even have 11 roster spots available on the 53-man roster. And if not, should we trade up?

Sure, they could let some of their rookies duke it out in TC, and then either cut the ones who don't make the grade or stash them on the practice squad. But I've got two problems with that approach: 1) I understand that this year the salaries of rookies who are cut during TC will be added to the cap, thus increasing our already-bloated amount of dead money; and 2) I'd rather use fewer picks on a group of studs who can contribute than on a ton of late-late-round fliers who may or may not shake out.

Here's a list of our current roster with my notation of whether I think they'll be on the 53-man roster.

76 Adams, Flozell OT 6-7 340 11 Michigan State: YES
34 Anderson, Deon FB 5-10 241 1 Connecticut: YES
95 Anderson, Tim DT 6-4 315 6 Ohio State: NO
20 Ball, Alan CB 6-1 176 1 Illinois: YES
24 Barber, Marion RB 6-0 221 4 Minnesota: YES
35 Battle, Tra S 5-11 173 1 Georgia: YES
80 Bennett, Martellus TE 6-6 252 R Texas A&M: YES
51 Brooking, Keith LB 6-2 241 11 Georgia Tech: YES
27 Brown, Courtney S 6-1 203 2 Cal Poly: YES
54 Carpenter, Bobby LB 6-2 248 3 Ohio State: YES
36 Carter, Jerome S 5-11 219 5 Florida State: NO
23 Choice, Tashard RB 5-10 215 R Georgia Tech: YES
75 Colombo, Marc OT 6-8 315 7 Boston College: YES
84 Crayton, Patrick WR 6-0 205 5 NW Okla State: YES
39 Crosslin, Julius FB 5-11 245 R Oklahoma State: NO
70 Davis, Leonard G 6-6 354 8 Texas: YES
92 Dixon, Marcus DE 6-4 294 R Hampton: MAYBE
98 Ellis, Greg LB 6-6 265 11 North Carolina: YES
6 Folk, Nick K 6-1 222 1 Arizona: YES
68 Free, Doug OT 6-6 306 2 Northern Illinois: YES
62 Gibbons, Ryan G 6-4 318 1 Northeastern: NO
65 Gurode, Andre C 6-4 316 7 Colorado: YES
26 Hamlin, Ken S 6-2 206 6 Arkansas: YES
97 Hatcher, Jason DE 6-6 298 3 Grambling: YES
37 Hawkins, Michael CB 6-1 188 3 Oklahoma: NO
64 Holland, Montrae G 6-2 322 6 Florida State: YES
56 James, Bradie LB 6-2 239 6 Louisiana State: YES
21 Jenkins, Mike CB 5-11 197 R South Florida: YES
28 Jones, Felix RB 5-10 207 R Arkansas: YES
3 Kitna, Jon QB 6-2 220 12 Central Washington: YES
63 Kosier, Kyle G 6-5 294 7 Arizona State: YES
91 Ladouceur, L.P. LS 6-4 251 4 California: YES
1 McBriar, Mat P 6-1 224 5 Hawaii: YES
77 McQuistan, Pat OT 6-6 311 3 Weber State: YES
41 Newman, Terence CB 5-11 181 6 Kansas State: YES
53 Octavien, Steve LB 6-0 238 R Nebraska: MAYBE
00 Olshansky, Igor DE 6-6 309 5 Oregon: YES
90 Ratliff, Jay DE 6-4 298 4 Auburn: YES
50 Rogers, Justin LB 6-4 250 2 SMU: YES
9 Romo, Tony QB 6-2 224 6 Eastern Illinois: YES
32 Scandrick, Orlando CB 5-10 192 R Boise State: YES
43 Sensabaugh, Gerald S 6-0 204 6 North Carolina: YES
78 Siavii, Junior DT 6-5 320 3 Oregon: NO
69 Spanos, Matt C 6-5 310 1 Southern California: NO
96 Spears, Marcus DE 6-4 305 4 LSU: YES
93 Spencer, Anthony LB 6-3 257 2 Purdue: YES
86 Stanback, Isaiah WR 6-2 208 2 Washington: YES
52 Stewart, Matt LB 6-3 236 7 Vanderbilt: YES
94 Ware, DeMarcus LB 6-4 252 4 Troy: YES
87 Warren, Paris WR 6-0 213 4 Utah: NO
25 Watkins, Pat S 6-5 208 3 Florida State: YES
11 Williams, Roy WR 6-3 220 5 Texas: YES
10 Wilson, Travis WR 6-1 213 3 Oklahoma: NO
82 Witten, Jason TE 6-5 266 6 Tennessee: YES
Exclusive Free Agent
30 Coleman, Alonzo RB 5-9 202 1 Hampton: NO
44 Hannah, Rodney TE 6-6 255 R Houston: YES
Restricted Free Agent
19 Austin, Miles WR 6-3 216 3 Monmouth: YES
72 Bowen, Stephen DE 6-5 303 3 Hofstra: YES
17 Hurd, Sam WR 6-2 196 3 Northern Illinois: YES
71 Procter, Cory C 6-4 297 4 Montana: YES
Unrestricted Free Agent
5 Bollinger, Brooks QB 6-1 205 6 Wisconsin: NO
29 Davis, Keith S 5-11 207 6 Sam Houston: MAYBE
95 Johnson, Tank DT 6-3 300 5 Washington: NO
00 Polk, Carlos LB 6-2 262 8 Nebraska: NO
55 Thomas, Zach LB 5-11 228 13 Texas Tech: NO

I count 48 "Yes" votes and 3 "Maybe" votes (Keith Davis could be a "Yes" if he doesn't sign elsewhere; the others will be based on TC performance). Assuming we're done in FA and none of our RFA's are poached, we're looking to fill a maximum of 5 roster spots with 11 draft picks.

So what do ya'll think? Trade up and use about 6 picks on guys we really want, or use all 11 picks and see whether guys like Doug Free can hang on to their jobs?

Bolds should be Maybe. McQuistan should also probably be a maybe but he's the only swing tackle at this point.

 

[BigBoy63]

With 11 picks someone would probably love to trade some picks, that why you have more room for people on the team, you also can get more quality players.

 

[jazzcat22]

You have way to many "Yes" on that list.

I highly doubt we draft 11 people. After wheeling and dealing I would suspect it to be closer to 6 or 7, which is the way I want it. Just remember, you can snag talent late in the draft. Romo, Ratliff, Crayton and Austin were all 7th rounders or undrafted, and Barber, James, Scandrick and Choice were all picked 4th round or later.

But that list of "yes's" that you have it far too long. We're not handing jobs to that many people without them beating out rookies. And some of the people that you labeled yes for, are going to going to have to fight pretty hard to keep their job.

I didn't go through the list yet. Not enough time. Will tomorrow. But earlier today as I looked at the current roster. I came up with 11 players at the most that could be replaced. That is within BP's percentage of roster changes.

However, I also thought 11 was high to replace with this roster. As some I was going by the 3 year rule on marginal players that were low round picks or FA's.

I do agree 6 or 7 picks is more like it. Any thing over is a wasted pick with a talented roster. Now for Detroit, 11 would be great, or as we were back in 89, the more the better.

Trade picks for possible quality and not quantity, for this draft anyway.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Noway we draft 11 guys, just dont see it.

Expect some trades on draft day.

 

[LowTech]

I hope we get to see more of Tra Battle this year. He's small, but seems to play with alot of heart.

 

[craig71]

I think it depends on how the draft unfolds as compared to their draft board.It could be we trade some of the pics away for pics in the 2010 draft,or atleast it seems a possibility.

Craig

 

[AbeBeta]

when you've got 11 picks you use them to jump up in a round to get a guy you like who has dropped to a point where he's a really good value. we'll still come out of the draft with 7-8 players - and honestly, we aren't so deep that all couldn't make the roster if they earned it

 

[Hostile]

I think Training Camp this year is going to be very interesting. I think there will be a lot of young blood and they will be hungry. I think the Vets cannot afford to be comfortable. If a star like Owens cannot be on this team it means you better bust your butt.

 

[burmafrd]

Churn the bottom of the roster always trying to improve or find a diamond in the ruff. We kind of quit doing that in 2007, picked it up some last year and seem to be trying more this year.
That was one of BP's big priorities and hopefully we keep doing it.
that is really how we got Colombo.

 

[lostinomiya]

read the latest Vela report..he says the same thing (too many picks) and also mentions the salary cap as a consideration

 

[Reality]

You are making assumptions that if the Cowboys trade up, their higher round picks will automatically be better and that does not always happen. While I am definitely not against trading up, think about it like this .. More people (who have a realistic chance at making the team) competing for fewer slots means competition will be much better from both the drafted players and any rookie free agents. On top of that, it means more people to challenge and threaten spots currently maintained by bottom fringe players who would conceivably be less worried with fewer draft picks.

There are too many draft failures (busts) from high rounds and too many draft successes from low rounds to discount the statistical probability of improving the team as a whole with more picks. Not to mention the increased competition factor caused by having more draft picks in camp.

Personally, I like the odds of finding 5 good players out of 11 draft picks than I do finding 5 good players out of 7 or 8 draft picks. I am tired of players viewing camp cupcake as nothing more than a "get-back-in-playing-shape exercise period" rather than a "fight-to-earn-or-keep-a-job period".

-Reality

 

[Woods]

I don't think we will draft 11 players this year, but I could easily make a case for at least 11 roster position changes/upgrades.

1. Brooks Bollinger
2. Berger - he's gone to Miami
3. C Proctor
4. McQuisten
5. WR - TO - he's gone, and potential roster spot available
6. Stanback - I think he has to show something this TC
7. Our 3rd TE position can be upgraded
8. Cricket at FB - nice guy and all, a good STs player, but just o.k. as starter
9. NT - Tank is gone. Roster spot available
10. ILB - Burnett gone. Roster spot potentially available.
11. OLB - We can upgrade depth here for sure
12-14. Up to 3 CBs, if Ball is moving to Safety. We only have Newman, Jenkins, and Scandrick.

15. Easily 1 Safety
16. Another ILB if we trade/cut Carp. Maybe this won't happen, but it could.

 

[Hoofbite]

Bolds should be Maybe. McQuistan should also probably be a maybe but he's the only swing tackle at this point.

I thought that same thing about the same players. None of those guys, and I might add in Ellis have a definite roster spot IMO.

 

[AKATheRake]

Well, if Jerry can't move up in certain rounds don't be surprised if he trades this years later round picks for next year picks that are higher. Drafting 11 or anymore than 7 picks would be ridiculous. I just want to see 5 guys he thinks can do something for this team. 1 starter (the 2nd) and hopefully a future starter or to with the 3rd and 4th rounders. The reast if we get great depth, rolesplayers and special teamers I'm happy.

Last year was a mulligan with our 4th (Choice) and 5th round (Scandrick) picks. Our first 3 were as stable as ever in Jones, Jenkins and Bennett. We got 5 guys that could start eventually and 3 or 4 that could right now on other teams in last years draft. That's just downright genius drafting. Czikowski has another like ast year and good luck keeping him from any other team unless Jerry lets Stephen take over and gives Czikowski Stephens current position, lol!

 

[AKATheRake]

I don't think we will draft 11 players this year, but I could easily make a case for at least 11 roster position changes/upgrades.

1. Brooks Bollinger
2. Berger - he's gone to Miami
3. C Proctor
4. McQuisten
5. WR - TO - he's gone, and potential roster spot available
6. Stanback - I think he has to show something this TC
7. Our 3rd TE position can be upgraded
8. Cricket at FB - nice guy and all, a good STs player, but just o.k. as starter
9. NT - Tank is gone. Roster spot available
10. ILB - Burnett gone. Roster spot potentially available.
11. OLB - We can upgrade depth here for sure
12-14. Up to 3 CBs, if Ball is moving to Safety. We only have Newman, Jenkins, and Scandrick.

15. Easily 1 Safety
16. Another ILB if we trade/cut Carp. Maybe this won't happen, but it could.

Juts makes so much sense this post and I'm happy that's the reality of this team. I think we're definitely looking at 30% roster churning this year and that's a good thing with this core of players. 3 years of complacency on game days with this current roster. New blood and competition can change that.