Mort: Miami will ask permission to speak to Garrett/Ireland...

[trickblue]

Mort said that Miami will ask permission to speak to Jason Garrett this week in regards tot he HC position. He did also mention that they will ask to speak to 4 or 5 other coaches in the league.

Mort also stated that they want to speak to Ireland is regards to the GM position. He said that Jones will definitely want Ireland throughout the draft but that Miami will counter that this is a move up to a GM position. He didn't mention any other GM candidates.

 

[khiladi]

The irony is that bringing Garrett and Ireland to the Dalals Cowboys are clear Jerry Jones moves. What does that say for Parcells being the sole reason Dallas is where it is at? It looks like Parcells is learning a few things from Jerry.

 

[AmishCowboy]

Just like I said in the Garrett to Atlanta thread, These two should stay away from those Jobs. Miami has no talent to speak of, it's a Massive rebuilding job, maybe 3-4 years and whose to say with Parcell's track record that he will stick around?. Atlanta is a little bit better in terms of talent, however they still need a QB and what's wrong with that Front office?, they seem to have the most dysfunctional team in the league.

 

[Woods]

Mort said that Miami will ask permission to speak to Jason Garrett this week in regards tot he HC position. He did also mention that they will ask to speak to 4 or 5 other coaches in the league.

Mort also stated that they want to speak to Ireland is regards to the GM position. He said that Jones will definitely want Ireland throughout the draft but that Miami will counter that this is a move up to a GM position. He didn't mention any other GM candidates.

I thought with respect to the front office, unlike coaches, if someone is under contract the team doesn't have to give permission?

That said, I know JJ said he wouldn't stand in Ireland's way, but only until after the Draft.

 

[theogt]

I thought with respect to the front office, unlike coaches, if someone is under contract the team doesn't have to give permission?

That said, I know JJ said he wouldn't stand in Ireland's way, but only until after the Draft.

We have to let personnel guys go if they're given "final say" power, but Ireland wouldn't be given final say power in Miami, so we don't have to let him go. But, Jerry has said he will let him go after the draft as a courtesy. This does, however, effectively eliminate Ireland from their GM search, since the reports are that Parcells wants to fire Mueller and fill the position ASAP.

 

[superpunk]

Just like I said in the Garrett to Atlanta thread, These two should stay away from those Jobs. Miami has no talent to speak of, it's a Massive rebuilding job, maybe 3-4 years and whose to say with Parcell's track record that he will stick around?

Sounds like the 2002 Dallas Cowboys. If Garrett and Ireland make the move, it would be because they believe they can turn the Dolphins around.

 

[Woods]

We have to let personnel guys go if they're given "final say" power, but Ireland wouldn't be given final say power in Miami, so it doesn't matter. Jerry would let him go after the draft as a courtesy.

Well, if we can at least hold on to Ireland until after the Draft, that's something . . . .

 

[theogt]

Well, if we can at least hold on to Ireland until after the Draft, that's something . . . .

Read my edit.

 

[AsthmaField]

We have to let personnel guys go if they're given "final say" power, but Ireland wouldn't be given final say power in Miami, so we don't have to let him go. But, Jerry has said he will let him go after the draft as a courtesy. This does, however, effectively eliminate Ireland from their GM search, since the reports are that Parcells wants to fire Mueller and fill the position ASAP.

Yeah, but apparently Miami is going to say that as GM, Ireland would have final say, I think.

I hope you're correct, but I bet Parcells pulls something to try to get him now.

 

[theogt]

Yeah, but apparently Miami is going to say that as GM, Ireland would have final say, I think.

I hope you're correct, but I bet Parcells pulls something to try to get him now.

It doesn't matter what they say. Parcells' contract gives him final say power.

 

[lspain1]

Our front office (and coaching staff) is officially under assault by other teams in the league. I posted earlier this season we would need a Houdini act by Jones to keep our staff together. It wasn't hard to predict and I hope Jerry has a plan. He needs one.

 

[Big Dakota]

It doesn't matter what they say. Parcells' contract gives him final say power.

Lest we forget who makes that call. Mr. Commish and i won't hold my breath on that one. The Commish is the law in the NFL, and i think we've seen that much.

 

[Cowboys22]

We have to let personnel guys go if they're given "final say" power, but Ireland wouldn't be given final say power in Miami, so we don't have to let him go. But, Jerry has said he will let him go after the draft as a courtesy. This does, however, effectively eliminate Ireland from their GM search, since the reports are that Parcells wants to fire Mueller and fill the position ASAP.

Thats not true. With personnel guys, they are not allowed to change teams until after the draft, even if its a step up. You just can't go hire another team's personnel guy after they have been scouting and doing their thing on another team's dime all year and get all the benefit of their knowledge for your draft. If you could do that, personnel guys would be moving from team to team just before the draft all the time.

 

[theogt]

Thats not true. With personnel guys, they are not allowed to change teams until after the draft, even if its a step up. You just can't go hire another team's personnel guy after they have been scouting and doing their thing on another team's dime all year and get all the benefit of their knowledge for your draft. If you could do that, personnel guys would be moving from team to team just before the draft all the time.

This is probably true unless it's a "final say" position. I'm not sure. I haven't read the rules, because as far as I know, they're not in writing available to the public. Hence, the "final say" argument.

Lest we forget who makes that call. Mr. Commish and i won't hold my breath on that one. The Commish is the law in the NFL, and i think we've seen that much.

If it comes down to Jones vs. the Commish, the latter would fold like a lawnchair.

 

[burmafrd]

Jerrah is also the guy that keeps bringing Lacewell back.

 

[jcollins28]

I never liked the bloated Tuna before he was here. Did not like his old tired act when he was here. Not liking it even more now that he is gone.

 

[Cowboys22]

This is probably true unless it's a "final say" position. I'm not sure. I haven't read the rules, because as far as I know, they're not in writing available to the public. Hence, the "final say" argument.

If it comes down to Jones vs. the Commish, the latter would fold like a lawnchair.

I don't think it matters if its final say or not. The league cannot allow the most important personnel guy who has been working for one team all year and is depending on him for their draft go to another team and take all that knowledge to the other team for their draft. For that to happen, their would have to be permission and compensation. If you could do that, teams would attempt it all the time to find out what other teams are going to do in the draft.

 

[theogt]

I don't think it matters if its final say or not. The league cannot allow the most important personnel guy who has been working for one team all year and is depending on him for their draft go to another team and take all that knowledge to the other team for their draft. For that to happen, their would have to be permission and compensation. If you could do that, teams would attempt it all the time to find out what other teams are going to do in the draft.

So, you're saying a team has never hired a GM that worked for another NFL team before the draft? That's strange considering everyone is assuming that Parcells is going to hire a GM pretty soon.

 

[Cowboys22]

So, you're saying a team has never hired a GM that worked for another NFL team before the draft? That's strange considering everyone is assuming that Parcells is going to hire a GM pretty soon.

I can never recall the #1 personnel guy for a team being hired by another team after most of the college scouting is done and before the draft. That is why JJ said personnel guys cannot leave until after the draft. Its a league rule. I'm sure teams have hired GM's during that time frame before but they didn't come from personnel dept's of other teams.

 

[theogt]

I can never recall the #1 personnel guy for a team being hired by another team after most of the college scouting is done and before the draft. That is why JJ said personnel guys cannot leave until after the draft. Its a league rule. I'm sure teams have hired GM's during that time frame before but they didn't come from personnel dept's of other teams.

I think you're just assuming, for no apparent reason, that what Jerry said he would allow is a rule. But if that's the rule, there's no reason for Jerry to say he would allow it. If it's a #1 personnel guy (without final say) or just a regional scout, it a team wants to hire him as a final say position, they most likely can regardless of whether it's before the draft or not. I've never seen this pre-draft rule ever reported.