Mosely blog: Cowboys will take CB or RB (They Love Flowers)

[theogt]

I dont think we'd be alone in that...

but as fyi Bill & Ireland werent fool proof...they got egg on their faces on a number of picks...we probably wouldnt even have the best player he drafted (Ware) had Jones not overruled Parcells and his yes man

David

Our 2004 and 2006 drafts weren't anything special and Bill/Jeff had their hands all over them.

They weren't fool-proof. But they were certainly not fools either.

Drafting Felix at 22 would be foolish. If we don't draft him at 22, he'll most likely fall all the way to mid 2nd round, if not further.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

according to the Bill haters, Jerry made all the decisions

 

[dbair1967]

They weren't fool-proof. But they were certainly not fools either.

Drafting Felix at 22 would be foolish. If we don't draft him at 22, he'll most likely fall all the way to mid 2nd round, if not further.

care to bet on that?

David

 

[Duane]

They weren't fool-prrof. But they were certainly not fools either.

Drafting Felix at 22 would be foolish. If we don't draft him at 22, he'll most likely fall to mid 2nd round.

I agree that we had better drafts under Parcells and Ireland than we had the previous years before them. But I think the biggest thing that happened there was setting a process of evaluating players. Hopefully that process will be kept with the current regime.

And unless I'm mistaken all of our field scouts remained in place. So the talent evaluators haven't gone anywhere.

 

[theogt]

care to bet on that?

David

That he'll drop to the 2nd if we don't draft him? Absolutely.

I agree that we had better drafts under Parcells and Ireland than we had the previous years before them. But I think the biggest thing that happened there was setting a process of evaluating players. Hopefully that process will be kept with the current regime.

And unless I'm mistaken all of our field scouts remained in place. So the talent evaluators haven't gone anywhere.

Jerry's said that the same scouting and scoring system has been in place since the year he bought the team. The difference, if there was one and it wasn't just sheer luck, was most likely in the decision-making.

 

[dbair1967]

That he'll drop to the 2nd if we don't draft him? Absolutely.
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Just to clarify, you said if we didnt draft him at 22 he'd fall to the middle of the 2nd rd...

I'll go you one more too...Jones will be picked before your boy Cason



figure out something appropriate we can do...probably has to be sig related I'd assume

David

 

[theogt]

Just to clarify, you said if we didnt draft him at 22 he'd fall to the middle of the 2nd rd...

I'll go you one more too...Jones will be picked before your boy Cason



figure out something appropriate we can do...probably has to be sig related I'd assume

David

Ok. If we don't pick him (either at 22 or 28), Cason will be picked before Jones. Those the terms?

 

[dbair1967]

Ok. If we don't pick him (either at 22 or 28), Cason will be picked before Jones. Those the terms?

I'm betting your wrong about Jones slipping to the middle of round two if we dont take him 22

and I'm betting regardless, Jones gets picked before Cason

if you agree, the first annual dbair-theo challenge is on

David

 

[theogt]

I'm betting your wrong about Jones slipping to the middle of round two if we dont take him 22

and I'm betting regardless, Jones gets picked before Cason

if you agree, the first annual dbair-theo challenge is on

David

Jones will not get picked before Cason, unless we pick Jones.

If we don't pick Jones, he'll fall to 2nd round.

Those are my terms, take it or leave it.

 

[jobberone]

I don't understand why so many people don't see Jones as first round talent. If you want to say he's a 20-40 player then I have no problem with that; esp in this draft. He's fast, very quick, very agile, and accelerates/deaccelerates/accelerates very quickly. He does lack size and power. But he does break arm tackles. He's a Joe Washington type of back.

Stewart does have wiggle. And he's as fast as Jones. His size negates some of his ability to start/stop like Jones but its there. There is a reason he is rated higher than Jones. He's an every down back good for the entire game and field. If he hadn't had trouble with that toe we wouldn't be thinking about him seriously. He would go in the top 20 for sure. He was rated ahead of DMac by enough scouts to take it seriously. I have a problem with his toe. I'm sure they have done their due diligence on that problem. However, it may not be possible to predict how he will do. It that's the case then I don't know if they can take a chance on him. Personally, I would draft him and hope for the best. I think it unlikely he will be permanently affected by the toe. But Jerry may consider that to be a fatal flaw. He wants to win a SB this year and next. Stewart may scare them do much.

I do think Pacman will allow them some flexibility at CB. And my guess is Flowers and Cason are high on the list of reasonably available CBs. Talib as well. Depends on the interviews and he didn't come to Dallas, did he? Flowers is the least likely CB to fail IMO. He just doesn't have the size I know Jerry likes. And with Pacman and TNew being fairly small and Henry the only current starting quality CB on the club with size, they may be looking at CBs with a little size. That leaves Cason as the best fit now. Assuming Talib is tainted too much.

I still think they may be looking at Phillips. I think he is a very outside chance type pick but depends on how they view him. He seems to have a polarized opinion as to his suitability for the NFL. I haven't seem enough of him to have a good feel as to whether he's first round or second round talent. Anybody really see this guy or have a very good feel for his talent?

 

[dbair1967]

Jones will not get picked before Cason, unless we pick Jones.

If we don't pick Jones, he'll fall to 2nd round.

Those are my terms, take it or leave it.

scared eh?

:fight:

David

 

[theogt]

I don't understand why so many people don't see Jones as first round talent. If you want to say he's a 20-40 player then I have no problem with that; esp in this draft. He's fast, very quick, very agile, and accelerates/deaccelerates/accelerates very quickly. He does lack size and power. But he does bread arm tackles. He's a Joe Washington type of back.

I think the reason is that people don't think he's that fast, quick, agile, or has great vision.

 

[theogt]

scared eh?

:fight:

David

Scared? Those are my terms. It was what I originally stated. You must be unsure of yourself if you're not willing to take those terms.

 

[dbair1967]

Scared? Those are my terms. It was what I originally stated. You must be unsure of yourself if you're not willing to take those terms.

You said if he didnt go at 22 he'd fall to the middle of the 2nd rd...thats what I wanted to bet on

I then just added that regardless of where he's picked, he'll go before Cason, just because I knew it'd ruffle your feathers

those be the terms my friend

David

 

[dbair1967]

I think the reason is that people don't think he's that fast, quick, agile, or has great vision.

didnt watch any Arkansas games eh?

David

 

[theogt]

You said if he didnt go at 22 he'd fall to the middle of the 2nd rd...thats what I wanted to bet on

I then just added that regardless of where he's picked, he'll go before Cason, just because I knew it'd ruffle your feathers

those be the terms my friend

David

Not going to take the bet are you?

didnt watch any Arkansas games eh?

David

Just about every one that was televised.

 

[dbair1967]

Not going to take the bet are you?

I want what you originally said...Felix Jones doesnt go 22 to us, he drops to middle of 2nd rd...

Just about every one that was televised

then I cant see how one could claim he wasnt quick/fast or ran with good vision...maybe if you only saw him once or twice in a certain game here or there, but if you saw him enough I cant see it

David

 

[btcutter]

If DRC is available, and a debate ensues, and the "don't take him" side of the debate wins ... I will pull all of my hair out.

I am not saying DRC isn't talented and I love what he did at the Senior bowl. But you do have to wonder why didn't he dominate at his level of competition and why as I've heard "no one game plans away from him" if he is so good??? does he play to the level of competition he face?

 

[theogt]

I want what you originally said...Felix Jones doesnt go 22 to us, he drops to middle of 2nd rd...

Are you going to accept the terms or not?

then I cant see how one could claim he wasnt quick/fast or ran with good vision...maybe if you only saw him once or twice in a certain game here or there, but if you saw him enough I cant see it

David

He's moderately quick and fast. He doesn't really have vision that's noticeably above average. There's really nothing about him that's above average in any respect. He's just a mediocre back who's draft stock is over-inflated.

If he wasn't a Razorback, his name wouldn't be associated with the Cowboys. And if his name wasn't associated with the Cowboys, he wouldn't be considered a possible first round pick.

 

[theogt]

Here's a good question: How many times have you seen a mock draft where Felix Jones was slated to go to a team other than Dallas in the first round?

I can't think of a single one off-hand.