Mosely upgrades Cowboys draft in NFC East wrapup

[Stash]

Mosley's grade was only about "immediate impact." With no first-round pick available, no second-round pick used and no open starting positions, this draft won't have much of an immediate impact, especially compared to teams who used high picks on guys they'll need to start immediately.

So Roy Williams won't have 'immediate impact'?

And Bomar will have 'immediate impact'?

Sorry, I don't think his nonsense makes sense in any context.

 

[superpunk]

I like how he discussed how all these personnel guys, and Gosselin explained how it was a good pick of Buehler, but then said "I still don't like it" lol.

"I know all these guys who know more than me are in love with the pick, but I'm going to stick with my gut on this one. he's a kicker, guyz."

 

[Idgit]

Here is what is laughable about the doubters....in spite of all the drama we had last year....in spite of all the injuries we had last year...in spite of all the games Romo missed...Newman missed...Felix Jones missed....Roy Williams missed, Kosier missed...Marion Barber missed...Miles missed, Hurd missed....McBriar missed...etc......in spite of all of that, we were 8-4...on the road against the Pittsburgh Steelers (who would go on to win the SB)....and kicking their butts all over the field. Then in what would be the theme of our season...Holland gets hurt, special teams dissapers...we lose the game and our season spirals downward.

We got rid of TO, but replacing him with Roy Williams, not saying Roy is TO...but he is a proven top tier talent

We replaced Roy WIlliams with Sensabaugh...who must would characterize as an upgrade

We repalce Canty with Igor - wash

We replace Henry with Jenkins/Scandrick....which most would categorize as an upgrade

Barber and Felix are back healthy and we now know Choice can play

Kosier and Holland are back healthy

Romo is back healthy

Hurd and Austin are back healthy

Witten is back healthy

McBriar back healthy

New special teams coach

Garret can stop coaching like he is auditioning for a head coach job or trying to justify his salary

New stadium

All you fans of opposing teams can keep waiting for 6-10. But it ain't going to happen. We were so banged up last year people truly forget how many games we played with one arm behind our backs. We were DUE for an injury plagued year, and last year it got us. Give me a REASONABLY healthy Cowboy team next year and I promise we will be a top 10 NFL team

Last year was brutal. I don't necessarily agree that we upgraded many of the positions you mention in terms of talent, but we only took a quarter-step back in many cases. And we should have made a big step forward in terms of the quality of the people we have on the team.

We got dinged last year, and had a couple of dings (safety, LG) at positions that went more than one player deep. At QB, the loss/beating Romo took took a huge toll. We're one of the top teams in the NFC in terms of talent, at least. We'll see how it all comes together, but I'd be surprised if we're not at least a wildcard team this year.

 

[DFWJC]

Here is what is laughable about the doubters....in spite of all the drama we had last year....in spite of all the injuries we had last year...in spite of all the games Romo missed...Newman missed...Felix Jones missed....Roy Williams missed, Kosier missed...Marion Barber missed...Miles missed, Hurd missed....McBriar missed...etc......in spite of all of that, we were 8-4...on the road against the Pittsburgh Steelers (who would go on to win the SB)....and kicking their butts all over the field. Then in what would be the theme of our season...Holland gets hurt, special teams dissapers...we lose the game and our season spirals downward.

We got rid of TO, but replacing him with Roy Williams, not saying Roy is TO...but he is a proven top tier talent

We replaced Roy WIlliams with Sensabaugh...who must would characterize as an upgrade

We repalce Canty with Igor - wash

We replace Henry with Jenkins/Scandrick....which most would categorize as an upgrade

Barber and Felix are back healthy and we now know Choice can play

Kosier and Holland are back healthy

Romo is back healthy

Hurd and Austin are back healthy

Witten is back healthy

McBriar back healthy

New special teams coach

Garret can stop coaching like he is auditioning for a head coach job or trying to justify his salary

New stadium

All you fans of opposing teams can keep waiting for 6-10. But it ain't going to happen. We were so banged up last year people truly forget how many games we played with one arm behind our backs. We were DUE for an injury plagued year, and last year it got us. Give me a REASONABLY healthy Cowboy team next year and I promise we will be a top 10 NFL team

Fresh air! A lot of what you say is true....especially the health upgrades. I sure hope we are better than 10 ten though. Final 8 or 4 would be nice.
Thanks

 

[Alexander]

Not that we really care, but after digging deeper, Matt Mosley has upped his Cowboy draft grade.

Here is a write-up on the NFC East "high-impact" draft.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-7-652/A-high-impact-NFC-East-draft-column.html

Excerpt

Dallas Cowboys: Grade: 5.8

Explanation: OK, I'll admit it. This draft's not as bad as I made it out to be -- based on my discussion with personnel types across the league. Taking a kicker in the fifth round is still somewhat of a head-scratcher to me, but three different scouts and one draft guru (Rick "Goose" Gosselin) told me that USC's David Buehler actually represented excellent value in the fifth round.
Gosselin explained to me that Buehler could be flipped for a fourth-round pick when someone needs a kicker in training camp. But if the Cowboys keep him, Buehler may emerge as one of the best kickoff specialists of our time -- if there is such a thing.

Buehler will have to show he can be accurate as a FG kicker also for us to be able to trade him for a higher choice than it cost to draft him. That is part of the problem, he was not known for making clutch kicks or having a lot of accuracy at USC. I don't think many teams would justify trading a 4th round choice for a kickoff specialist.

After extensive research (thanks, Mike Sando), I've determined that only two teams deployed the two-kicker approach for at least half the '08 season (Ravens and Panthers).

It took extensive research to do this? I could Google it, check each roster in the NFL and have an answer within a few minutes.

The Cowboys think Buehler could eventually surpass that mark, and the extra 10 yards or so in field position might come in handy. Still I don't totally agree with it, but some of the explanations make a little sense.

I don't necessarily agree with it either. But, if we could trade him for something if necessary (say we hit a rash of injuries and need to take more players into the season) then that's good to know we might have that option. He might be a player we could sneak on the practice squad also if we had to.

Scouts and coaches are divided on Western Illinois outside linebacker Jason Williams as the No. 69 player overall. One scout said he had a seventh-round grade on Williams. But an NFC scout told me that Williams would have an immediate impact as a pass-rushing specialist. And even though some early reports had Williams eventually replacing Keith Brooking at inside linebacker, I'm told the plan is to keep him on the outside.

So now I am thoroughly confused. I hope we place him at one position and let him learn. If it is ILB so be it. But the pass rush option with his speed and ability to force fumbles is intriguing. I would give Butler and Brandon Williams first shot at that role, however.

In other news, I'm hearing that Cincinnati cornerback Mike Mickens had excellent value in the seventh round. The Cowboys may be as excited about Mickens as anyone they took. Not sure what that says about them

Again, Mosley is showing his lack of perspective and insight. Mickens was considered a very solid middle round choice. To get that type in the seventh is a value in anyone's book.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That's, what, 3.1 Mosely-points behind the Eagles, and 2.5 Mosely-points behind the Giants?

AAARrrrghhh! Where's a bridge I can jump off? Somebody get me a bridge.

Hos' got a bridge in Arizona to sell you

 

[Alexander]

For the love of God... STILL DOES NOT CREDIT ROY WILLIAMS WHEN REVIEWING THIS DRAFT.

Ugh.

Right after us, he even comments on how can't hold the draft haul against the Commanders because they used picks for Jason Taylor, so he recognizes that draft picks sometimes represent veterans.

Take our draft, ADD ROY WILLIAMS, and then grade s

I don't think that's part of the criteria.

If so, grade the Eagles with Ellis Hobbs and Peters as well. Grade the Panthers with Jeff Otah when looking at theirs and so on.

This whole idea to account for traded players when grading a draft is silly. Well actually the whole process is when you think about it, but what else are you going to do?

No matter how it makes us feel, the Giants and Eagles did have more players who could make an "immediate" (and significant) impact. I don't know why that is so painful to admit. It still won't make a difference until we see it on the field.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Last year was brutal. I don't necessarily agree that we upgraded many of the positions you mention in terms of talent, but we only took a quarter-step back in many cases. And we should have made a big step forward in terms of the quality of the people we have on the team.

We got dinged last year, and had a couple of dings (safety, LG) at positions that went more than one player deep. At QB, the loss/beating Romo took took a huge toll. We're one of the top teams in the NFC in terms of talent, at least. We'll see how it all comes together, but I'd be surprised if we're not at least a wildcard team this year.

I would be curious to see which positions you feel have been downgraded

I seriously think getting rid of Henry is a blessing....truth be told...Scandrick just might be the best pure cover CB on this team

I agree Roy Williams is not TO, but near the end TO was not TO

Chris Canty and Igor are similiar.....and whatever difference might exist is negligible

Zach Thomas was living off of his rep...cannot imagine Brooking is any worse

anyone we put back in at LG would be better than Procter

the version of Roy Williams playing Safety at the end in Dallas looked like "just a guy"....plus we were scheming around his presence on the field....removing him off the team allows Wade to run the schemes he prefers to run

Other than TO...I cannot see which position we downgraded

Tell me who you think and why

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Buehler will have to show he can be accurate as a FG kicker also for us to be able to trade him for a higher choice than it cost to draft him. That is part of the problem, he was not known for making clutch kicks or having a lot of accuracy at USC. I don't think many teams would justify trading a 4th round choice for a kickoff specialist.



It took extensive research to do this? I could Google it, check each roster in the NFL and have an answer within a few minutes.



I don't necessarily agree with it either. But, if we could trade him for something if necessary (say we hit a rash of injuries and need to take more players into the season) then that's good to know we might have that option. He might be a player we could sneak on the practice squad also if we had to.



So now I am thoroughly confused. I hope we place him at one position and let him learn. If it is ILB so be it. But the pass rush option with his speed and ability to force fumbles is intriguing. I would give Butler and Brandon Williams first shot at that role, however.



Again, Mosley is showing his lack of perspective and insight. Mickens was considered a very solid middle round choice. To get that type in the seventh is a value in anyone's book.

Mickens received a 3rd round grade from an NFL advisory commitee after his junior year.....he was a PROJECTED 1st ROUNDER by scout.com after his junior year

http://profootball.scout.com/2/781121.html

 

[Alexander]

Mickens received a 3rd round grade from an NFL advisory commitee after his junior year.....he was a PROJECTED 1st ROUNDER by scout.com after his junior year

http://profootball.scout.com/2/781121.htmlhttp://profootball.scout.com/2/781121.htmlhttp://profootball.scout.com/2/781121.htmlhttp://profootball.scout.com/2/781121.html

And he had a so-so senior year which pushed him into the 3rd-5th round range. Projected first rounders falling to the late rounds or even out of the draft happens all the time.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

It's pretty much a consensus around the league that McGee was the next best qb prospect. Mosely's always been an arse and this was just another shot at the Cowboys.

Exactly. I don't buy that Bomar is more NFL-ready than McGee at all. I'm sure they're only saying this because McGee was in that option offense and Bomar wasn't, but Bomar has major work to do on his mechanics before he's NFL-level accurate with his throws. McGee is a lot more polished in the way he actually throws the ball.

To some degree, all these GMs are going to pump up their picks. But when we do it, it's BS. When Jerry Reese or Zorny do it, it's gold.

 

[Idgit]

I would be curious to see which positions you feel have been downgraded

I seriously think getting rid of Henry is a blessing....truth be told...Scandrick just might be the best pure cover CB on this team

I agree Roy Williams is not TO, but near the end TO was not TO

Chris Canty and Igor are similiar.....and whatever difference might exist is negligible

Zach Thomas was living off of his rep...cannot imagine Brooking is any worse

anyone we put back in at LG would be better than Procter

the version of Roy Williams playing Safety at the end in Dallas looked like "just a guy"....plus we were scheming around his presence on the field....removing him off the team allows Wade to run the schemes he prefers to run

Other than TO...I cannot see which position we downgraded

Tell me who you think and why

Basically, it was the TO>RW (where we agree) and I don't think the Canty/Igor swap is as even as most. Igor's a good player, though, I agree. At ILB, Zack was pretty good for much of the year, and I do think Brooking could be worse. We definitely downgraded on our nickle at ILB.

That said, I'm not disagreeing with the point of your earlier post. I think we'll have a better year all around, despite notching down the talent a jot. This team has enough talent to excel; we're still loaded.