Mosley: Steve Smith of Giants is almost better than Roy Williams

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Josh from Winston Salem, N.C., thinks I'm too hard on Cowboys wide receiver Roy Williams: Mr Mosley, why dont you believe in Roy Williams? He emerged as the No. 1 guy in Detroit by his third year, and in his fourth year, had 838 yards in 12 games, which is about an 1,120-yard season. I understand that Calvin Johnson is playing with bad quarterbacks like Roy did and putting up better numbers, but it doesnt mean Roy is not a 1000-yard reciever, it just means Calvin Johnson is better. Can you name me a wide receiver in the NFC East that is better then Roy Williams?

Mosley: Josh, call me Matt. When a player has been in the league five seasons and only has one 1,000-yard season, then I don't think you can call him a "1,000-yard receiver." I think Williams is an exciting player who can occassionally take over games. But I'd want my No. 1 receiver to consistently make an impact. His career in the NFL has been anything but consistent. And here's my list of Beast receivers who are better than Williams: DeSean Jackson of the Eagles, Santana Moss of the Commanders and I'd almost put Steve Smith of the Giants ahead of him -- based on last season's results. Smith makes clutch catches on a consistent basis. I've only seen Williams put up big numbers once -- and it was in Mike Martz's anti-run offense in Detroit.

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Gryphon;2778727 said:
Josh from Winston Salem, N.C., thinks I'm too hard on Cowboys wide receiver Roy Williams: Mr Mosley, why dont you believe in Roy Williams? He emerged as the No. 1 guy in Detroit by his third year, and in his fourth year, had 838 yards in 12 games, which is about an 1,120-yard season. I understand that Calvin Johnson is playing with bad quarterbacks like Roy did and putting up better numbers, but it doesnt mean Roy is not a 1000-yard reciever, it just means Calvin Johnson is better. Can you name me a wide receiver in the NFC East that is better then Roy Williams?

Mosley: Josh, call me Matt. When a player has been in the league five seasons and only has one 1,000-yard season, then I don't think you can call him a "1,000-yard receiver." I think Williams is an exciting player who can occassionally take over games. But I'd want my No. 1 receiver to consistently make an impact. His career in the NFL has been anything but consistent. And here's my list of Beast receivers who are better than Williams: DeSean Jackson of the Eagles, Santana Moss of the Commanders and I'd almost put Steve Smith of the Giants ahead of him -- based on last season's results. Smith makes clutch catches on a consistent basis. I've only seen Williams put up big numbers once -- and it was in Mike Martz's anti-run offense in Detroit.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-10-72/What-s- in-Mosley-s-Mailbag-.html

name me 1 wr other than Larry Fitzgerald who consistently makes an impact including playoff games which rules out guys like Owens and Moss. I didn't see desean Jackson, Steve Smith and especially Santana Moss consistently make impacts last season.
 

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After this season let's remind Mosley of this statement!.
 

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I just like to let Matt talk since the more he does the more he makes known his lack of knowledge.
 

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Steve Smith is very valuable to the Giants because he's a reliable possession receiver. I think he's a very good player and I would love to have him on the Cowboys. That said, he'll never be a player who can stretch the field or make big plays with any consistency and that's what you need to be a #1. That's exactly what Desean Jackson and Santana Moss do and it's something that Roy showed he could do when he was with Det.
 

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Steve Smith is in an offense that establishes the run, and uses play-action all the time.

Guess what Mosley.. We also run a Mike-Martz type offense...
 

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LIke I said....

Steve Smith, with just 700+ yards in two years, 1td and an average per catch of under 10 yards a reception is better than Roy Williams?

Santana Moss, who has had only three 1,000 yard seasons out of 7?

DeSean Jackson, a one year wonder, who had 2tds and under 1,000 yards his first year?

His rationale is rather poorly set up. He can like these guys better if he wants, he can not like Roy Williams if he wants, but his stated reasoning is bogus. Statistically it doesn't hold up well.

We will see how clever Mosely was when the players put on pads and go to it for real.
 

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arglebargle;2778762 said:
LIke I said....

Steve Smith, with just 700+ yards in two years, 1td and an average per catch of under 10 yards a reception is better than Roy Williams?

Santana Moss, who has had only three 1,000 yard seasons out of 7?

DeSean Jackson, a one year wonder, who had 2tds and under 1,000 yards his first year?

His rationale is rather poorly set up. He can like these guys better if he wants, he can not like Roy Williams if he wants, but his stated reasoning is bogus. Statistically it doesn't hold up well.

We will see how clever Mosely was when the players put on pads and go to it for real.

I don't think its really fair to call Jackson a "1 year wonder" -- implying he's played multiple seasons and he's only had 1 good year. He's more like a rookie who had a good year in his first season. His stats were not far from 1k yards as well (912 yds). Believe it or not, he had more yards than Roy Williams did as a rookie (817 yds, 8tds).

If you really want to nit pick you can spin it and say ROY is the 1 year wonder since he only had 1 season above +1k yards.

As for Mosley saying Smith is almost better than Roy is outrageous.
 

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Roy Williams came from a team that just went 0-16.

The Lions went 0-16 last year, but their implosion happened in the middle of the 2007 season.

Roy Williams is a good football player. He put up # 1 WR production during his 2006 season and was in the process of doing it again in 2007, but he got hurt. Plus, the Lions fell apart. He has the experience and potential to get it done. I'll take him over two smurfs and a rookie any day.

We'll see.

Leonard Davis got the same treatment, and he's was elected to the Pro Bowl two straight years.

Let the doubters talk.

It's going to be funny when the "bad checks", people like Mosley are writing, bounce like a little rubber ball.
 

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Only a mother could love an idiot of this magnitude. This dude must have successfully graduated from the :espn: brainwashing school. I predict great things for Matt at :espn:, great things.
 

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Oh, I totally follow this logic. It's unfair to say Roy Williams is a 1,000 yard reciever because he's only had 1 year over a thousand. His average per 16-game-season (before his year with us, which is certainly an outlier) is 1,062 yards (Total Yards (3652) / Years (4) x Potential games (64) over played games (55) )... so why is it going out on a limb to call Roy Williams a 1,000 yard reciever?
 

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Keep picking us third. I love it. The Cowboys have no shot.

How will they ever compete?

Marion Barber 13-16 carries; 3-5 passes
Felix Jones 12-15 carries; 3-5 passes; some kickoffs
Jason Witten (The best tightend in the NFL.)
Martellus Bennett (A dangerous under-used weapon last year)


I just listed four other options that can take the pressure off Roy Wiliams. Williams will get his.

Miles Austin
Patrick Crayton
Tashard Choice

Let's go.

Let's play.

We'll play you at an elementary school.

Name the place.

We'll bring Tony Romo, Andre Gurode, Leonard Davis, DeMarcus Ware, Terence Newman, Mike Jenkins, Orlando Scandrick, Jay Ratliff, Bradie James, and friends.

We'll put our offense out there, and your offense will have to face Terence Newman, Mike Jenkins, and Orlando Scandrick in coverage.

New safeties Gerald Sensabaugh and Micheal Hamlin will take care of some rookie TE from Florida (Have they ever had a great skill player in the NFL since Spurrier and Myer?) and Kevin Boss.

Anthony Spencer is going to be a force on the strongside. Watching him actually get to play on third down will enable him to fully develop and destroy the 3 sack total of his rookie year. He's going to get his.

Jason Williams is going to play a little north and south football. You will be seeing him tally up some sacks. Can't wait. Someone is going to get hit at the very least. Two more rookies could get into the action (Brandon Williams and Victor Butler). A little Cowboys package might see someone get jacked up by a rookie. Stephen Hodge may end up being the guy putting the blanket on Chris Cooley or Brian Westbrook. He can get pressure on the quarterback. Some of these guys are going to make a difference. These are the types of players which put you over the top.

Have fun blocking DeMarcus Ware, the real NFL Defensive Player of the Year.

I'm talking to the Eagles new LT (Jason Peters) and his 11.5 sacks he gave up last year and the Giants LT (David Deihl) who got destroyed in the second game last year. Tom Coughlin better get that rookie ready fast.

Playing these three players is going to be like deploying three number one draft picks. Oh, wait. They are number one draft picks.

1. Felix Jones
2. Mike Jenkins
3. Anthony Spencer

The gloves are coming off.

Bring it.
 

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This is why Matt Mosley needs to be punched in the throat.

A total and complete lack of logic.
It is so bad that will seep in and infect other minds.

No current NFCE WR can be called a "1000 yd" WR if the criteria is they do it a majority of their career. None.

You want to call Santana Moss better??
Ok, feel free to do so but do not hide behind stats, because the same stats you want to ridicule RW with apply to Moss. Moss has 1 1000 yard season in the past 3. He's made the same single Pro Bowl and played on mediocre at best teams.

RW11 also has 1 1000 yd receiving season in his last 3. Also has 1 he 1 Pro Bowl, the same mediocre team success at best and similar career averages in yards, yards per catch and TDs per season.

Steve Smith of the Giants has 1 career TD and has never reached 700 yards receiving. And minus Plaxico Burress he hit 50 yards receiving 1 time.

The Steve Smith thing is typical east coast jock sniffing that Mosley does now as he has been befriending Giants player sin his usual lickfest manner.

Mosley should be quarantined.

Could DeSean JAckson be better? Sure he could. But he has questions same as RW. Can Jackson get along with Donovan? Can he stay out of trouble? Can he handle a full season in the NFL at best 185 pounds?

Steve Smith = Patrick Crayton not RW.
 

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But I'd want my No. 1 receiver to consistently make an impact.

DeSean Jackson of the Eagles, Santana Moss of the Commanders and I'd almost put Steve Smith of the Giants ahead of him -- based on last season's results.

Desean Jackson had an outstanding rookie season and burst out of the gate with consecutive 100 yard games the first two weeks of the season. Jackson didn't have another 100 yard outing, he scored only two touchdowns and he was held under 50 receiving yards in half of the following 14 games.

Santana Moss had three 100 receiving games and they all came in the first eight games of the season. Moss was held under 50 receiving yards seven times last season, that isn't my idea of consistent.

Steve Smith is a nice little possession receiver who was held to 2 receptions for 17 yards in the home playoff loss to the Eagles. Smith was held under 50 yards receiving 13 times last year and in 7 games his receiving average was under 10 yards.

I can respect being a slot receiver who converts first downs, but that's all Smith is. He doesn't offer anything as an outside receiver or show any field stretching ability.
 

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Ok, now this is going a little far. Really, he is a third string receiver....
 

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You can't say that Smith is better than Williams based on production. Clearly Williams has produced more than Smith.

Mosley's just being stupid for the sake of being stupid.
 

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agorr101;2778835 said:
Steve Smith = Patrick Crayton not RW.
The difference being Steve Smith is only a possession receiver.

Smith has 65 career receptions and has only logged three plays of 20+ yards with a long of 30 and 1 career touchdown.

Patrick Crayton can do the possession thing, although Jason Garrett doesn't seem to like short routes, but Cray also brings big play ability to the field. He has had a 50+ yard touchdown every season except as a rookie (39 yd TD).

Smith hasn't shown the ability to do that. He's still valuable as a possession guy in the slot, but that is his only trick.
 
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