Most Accurate QBs

Haimerej said:
How's that? I've always viewed forums as an exchange of ideas. If everyone agreed this place truly would be ruined. Nothing more boring than reading a thread where everyone is on the same page.
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"Dak is average at best. Dak sucks. Dak is a game manager. Without Zeke and league top players, Dak can't win. Etc, etc.." All disproven diatribe.
 
America's Cowboy said:
That's pathetic. You show only the stats that suit your dislike of Dak, eh, especially when you know those stats only tell half the story? Anyone who truly does their homework knows Dak had to play the 1st half of the 2018 season with a mostly backup Oline due to health issues and injuries, no #1 WR, a rookie #2 WR with no experience, no #1 TE and a struggling #1 RB due to a mostly backup Oline. Throw in a fired Oline coach at the halfway point, Linehan's predictable and unimaginative playcalling (he got fired at season's end for it) and Dak having the 2nd most QB sacks all season, well, it's very disturbing how you kept those facts out of the stats you used to belittle Dak. Not surprising due to your agenda though.

Why didn't you post Dak's stats, passer rating and QBR from Game 9 - Game 16 after the Amari Cooper trade where Dak finally had a true #1 WR to throw to, plus the Oline was slowly getting healthier, there was an Oline coaching change, the backup TEs finally started getting some game-starting experience and our rookie #2 WR finally started gelling with Dak? Oh, I get it, it doesn't fit your narrative, eh?

Plus, why didn't you mention Dak's passer and QBR ratings during the playoffs when it mattered most? Oh, what were they? Ranked Top 5 in passer rating and #1 in QBR? Funny how you forgot to mention those facts.
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I’m not saying Dak sucks but your post proves his point. Basically you are saying Dak needs a #1 WR, an All Pro line, a #1 TE and a top RB to succeed! I pretty much could say that about 31 other QBs in the league. And why would you pay franchise money to a QB who can’t elevate without all that?
 
America's Cowboy said:
More excuses to the facts, as usual. Hello? Frederick didn't play; Looney is a backup. Connor Williams was a rookie and struggled all season, even got replaced at times. Collins struggled the most for the veterans. Tyron played injured at times. Zack Martin missed a game or two and played injured late in the season, including playoffs. The Oline coach got fired halfway through the season for a reason. Add it all up, it proves the Oline was injured, playing backups, playing a rookie and its poor performance affected the offense. FACT.
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fact...you, yes you said the first half of the season most of the OL was INJURED. FACTS, only Fredrick was injured...now you are spinning things into this OL didn't play well and that OL man didn't play well...blah blah blah...like I said, Dak needs an all time OL as you are confirming to play well, otherwise having an OL like 90% of rest of NFL, isn't good enough for him...

so FACTS again...your post, your words, not mine...the first half of the season MOST of the OL wasn't injured. so quit making things up.
 
TexasFrog said:
I’m not saying Dak sucks but your post proves his point. Basically you are saying Dak needs a #1 WR, an All Pro line, a #1 TE and a top RB to succeed! I pretty much could say that about 31 other QBs in the league. And why would you pay franchise money to a QB who can’t elevate without all that?
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Dak actually has a winning record when forced to play behind backups, but it's still not good enough to make noise in the playoffs. How did Aaron Rodgers do playing last year with backups and older players? Not so good. How did Troy play his last few years without the best Oline in NFL history, no Michael Irvin and no previous SB talented players? One can argue that Tom Brady has carried his team to SB wins without top talent, but what do you call Edelman, Gronk and other pretty good receivers? Plus, Brady has always had a pretty good Oline protecting him up front. He's also had above average RBs. The point is... all good QBs need pretty good talent and a good Oline around them to be successful.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
fact...you, yes you said the first half of the season most of the OL was INJURED. FACTS, only Fredrick was injured...now you are spinning things into this OL didn't play well and that OL man didn't play well...blah blah blah...like I said, Dak needs an all time OL as you are confirming to play well, otherwise having an OL like 90% of rest of NFL, isn't good enough for him...

so FACTS again...your post, your words, not mine...the first half of the season MOST of the OL wasn't injured. so quit making things up.
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FACT...the Oline struggled all season, worse than 2017 and definitely 2016.

FACT...Dak is here to stay for a very long time. Deal with it.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
fact...you, yes you said the first half of the season most of the OL was INJURED. FACTS, only Fredrick was injured...now you are spinning things into this OL didn't play well and that OL man didn't play well...blah blah blah...like I said, Dak needs an all time OL as you are confirming to play well, otherwise having an OL like 90% of rest of NFL, isn't good enough for him...

so FACTS again...your post, your words, not mine...the first half of the season MOST of the OL wasn't injured. so quit making things up.
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The O line ranked in the 20's in pass protection.

may have had a little to do with things.
 
America's Cowboy said:
"Dak is average at best. Dak sucks. Dak is a game manager. Without Zeke and league top players, Dak can't win. Etc, etc.." All disproven diatribe.
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Mostly just subjective opinions. I'm bothered moreso by the objectively wrong stuff.
 
America's Cowboy said:
FACT...the Oline struggled all season, worse than 2017 and definitely 2016.

FACT...Dak is here to stay for a very long time. Deal with it.
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you keep trying to change the narrative of your initial argument.

OL struggled or not is whole other debate..

you said, most of the OL was injured the first half of the year. which is an other fake statement...but you are trying to spin your way out of it...its like you are in quick sand, just come out and say you were wrong about the injuries and lets debate the OL performance

and what does Dak contract have to do with the OL performance...

oh, yeah, a classic Dak Lover move....you forgot to bring up Romo...another Dak Lover favorite tactic

you are done...
 
Hadenough said:
Nice info Frog! I didnt really need it because I know Dak and I know by watching him he really is a middle of the road QB. But maybe just maybe some people will realize that he is closer to Case Keenum than they like.
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This information isn't close to being a "bottom-line" metric for QB, and doesn't even claim to be. It's basically weighted completion percentage, but leaving out TD and INT. It rewards QB who take risks without punishing them for the risks that don't pay off, giving you results such as Newton > Brady, Mariota > Rodgers, Winston > Roethlisberger, etc.

Target 10+ yards
Prescott
89 of 175 50.9% 1866 yd 10.7 ypa 15 td 7 int 100.7
Newton
87 of 163 53.4% 1642 yd 10.1 ypa 9 td 9 int 83.9

The article says the formula treats drops the same as completions, while also "stripping out" spikes, throwaways, QB hits, and batted passes. But what it doesn't say is that the formula also "strips out" interceptions. If you're only interested in completion percentage adjusted for target depth, but don't care about TD/INT, then Newton was a Top 10 passer in 2018.
 
Streetwise said:
Survivors guilt syndrome.

Romo, never forget.
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Nope the problem is the Arkansas hillbillies that run this team. Socks and jocks. You can tune into 103.3 the fan and listen to them both father and son gleefully blither on like idiots week in and week out.
 
Johnny23 said:
Nope the problem is the Arkansas hillbillies that run this team. Socks and jocks. You can tune into 103.3 the fan and listen to them both father and son gleefully blither on like idiots week in and week out.
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You can name call all you want, it doesn't make you any better.
 
jay94 said:
Aikman was my favorite player, but Marino was better. He never had a fair shot in the 90s. Aikman had help, while I do think he could throw it up I remember a career high against Min believe he had 450+ yards or right around with 10 drops, oh why were they to stupid to draft Moss.
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Why do you say that Marino never had a fair shot in the 90s?
 
Johnny23 said:
Nope the problem is the Arkansas hillbillies that run this team. Socks and jocks. You can tune into 103.3 the fan and listen to them both father and son gleefully blither on like idiots week in and week out.
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that would be 105.3 the fan
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
you keep trying to change the narrative of your initial argument.

OL struggled or not is whole other debate..

you said, most of the OL was injured the first half of the year. which is an other fake statement...but you are trying to spin your way out of it...its like you are in quick sand, just come out and say you were wrong about the injuries and lets debate the OL performance

and what does Dak contract have to do with the OL performance...

oh, yeah, a classic Dak Lover move....you forgot to bring up Romo...another Dak Lover favorite tactic

you are done...
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Done? I'm just beginning to enjoy your squirming.
 
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