Move Selvie to DT

[Kaiser]

Garrett said this week that moving Crawford to DT was the best move the coaching staff made this year. George Selvie has been a different player this season, solid in stopping the run but not the edge rusher he was last year.

So a question to kick around, why not try Selvie at DT next year after packing on some more weight to his current 270? I definitely see the team upgrading that position rather than keeping him next year, so I don't see the danger of losing his current contribution at DE. If he signs for the same salary as this year (730K) it would only cost about 300K against the cap under the Rule of 51.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I like where your head is at, but I'm not sure it works for this system. Hes not the direction I would go at either the nose or the 3 tech. I would like to see us go after a massive run stopping nose tackle in the offseason. I'm not sure selfie is a great shoot the gap 3 tech either. Bottom line is I think selvie is a rotational 2nd string guy wherever you line him up. Crawford is succeeding as a dt but he also has twice the God given talent selvie has.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

DT IMO isn't the problem with this defense. Whether they bring Melton back or not. Its the edge rushers that need upgrading.

 

[gmoney112]

Crawford came into the league and immediately plugged in as a 3-4 DE. He's a beast.

As much fun as it would be to see Selvie tossed into the first row of the bleachers every down, I don't think he'd be very effective from Row 2 Seat 22.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

DT IMO isn't the problem with this defense. Whether they bring Melton back or not. Its the edge rushers that need upgrading.

Agreed.

DT is not a problem once you get past Hayden.

And Selvie with another 20 pounds isn't going to be a #1 DT.

 

[DFWJC]

We need at least 4 DEs, and maybe 5. Selfie would be okay as a backup DE

 

[Nation]

I'd rather have him as my #4 defensive end

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Agreed.

DT is not a problem once you get past Hayden.

And Selvie with another 20 pounds isn't going to be a #1 DT.

Right. I wouldn't mind Selvie as a back up rotational guy but he should not be starting for us.

Adding 20 pounds or moving him would be useless. He'd mean more to this team as a rotational DE than he would as our 4th or 5th best DT.

 

[Bluefin]

Re-signing George Selvie and moving him inside is creative thinking, but I don't know if he's in the team's plans next year.

There's also already a player on the roster who has done what @Kaiser is suggesting, Jack Crawford.

Depending on how the DL gets fleshed out over the off-season, the Limey can can be a LDE or an UT.

 

[Kaiser]

Bottom line is I think selvie is a rotational 2nd string guy wherever you line him up.

Yup, at the moment I don't see Selvie coming back next year and don't see him starting under any circumstance. RDE is fine with Lawrence and Mincey and I think LDE is a high draft pick and a free agent, plus I wouldn't doubt Anthony Spencer returns to joins the mix on an incentive based contract.

I think we already have the massive NT in Josh Brent, with the 1 Tech next year a competition between Brent, McClain, Hayden and someone out of the 2nd year group of Bishop, Coleman and Whitley.

To me this idea on Selvie is a low cost tryout to see if could be a backup 3 Tech. He seems to have added bulk this year and lost speed off the edge, I wouldn't mind trying him out to rotate at the 3 rather than cutting him lose completely.

 

[Kaiser]

And Selvie with another 20 pounds isn't going to be a #1 DT.

I didn't see anyone in this thread saying he would be first on the depth chart. And Crawford is listed as 15 pounds heavier than Selvie, if Selvie had the added weight and same quickness I think he could contribute at the 3. As a run-defense only DE I don't think he adds much to the team right now, and that position will surely be upgraded this offseason to push him out.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I didn't see anyone in this thread saying he would be first on the depth chart. And Crawford is listed as 15 pounds heavier than Selvie, if Selvie had the added weight and same quickness I think he could contribute at the 3. As a run-defense only DE I don't think he adds much to the team right now, and that position will surely be upgraded this offseason to push him out.

The thing you're missing is that Selvie hasn't had a good season as a DE. He's been blah on a team full of blah DE's.

So you're going to take a blah DE, add 20 pounds to him and expect him to be an acceptable #3 DT?

Nah. It's easier to just find a better #3 DT IMO.

 

[Kaiser]

The thing you're missing is that Selvie hasn't had a good season as a DE.

You mean in the thread where I've posted twice I wouldn't resign him as a DE because of his performance?

Selvie has been fine this year in run defense but has done nothing in the pass rush. Crawford is obviously a better player but "good run D and no pass rush" described Crawford's play at DE this season also, prior to his move to DT.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

You mean in the thread where I've posted twice I wouldn't resign him as a DE because of his performance?

Selvie has been fine this year in run defense but has done nothing in the pass rush. Crawford is obviously a better player but "good run D and no pass rush" described Crawford's play at DE this season also, prior to his move to DT.

I say let Selvie walk, let Hayden walk, let Spencer walk– draft another couple d-lineman and sign a couple free agents.

 

[xwalker]

Garrett said this week that moving Crawford to DT was the best move the coaching staff made this year. George Selvie has been a different player this season, solid in stopping the run but not the edge rusher he was last year.

So a question to kick around, why not try Selvie at DT next year after packing on some more weight to his current 270? I definitely see the team upgrading that position rather than keeping him next year, so I don't see the danger of losing his current contribution at DE. If he signs for the same salary as this year (730K) it would only cost about 300K against the cap under the Rule of 51.

Normally, I would say that it's not a good fit; however, a player with a similar build, Jack Crawford, was better at DT than as a DE. Having said that, they have several options already under contract at DT. If Selvie wants to re-sign for the veterans minimum, then he can come to training camp to compete, but hopefully they find better options at both DE and DT than George Selvie.

It's always good to have more players in training camp than you think you need because they have had a lot of injuries during and prior to training camp the past several years.

The similar conversion project, Jack Crawford, is under contract for 2015.

 

[ccb04]

I don't think Selvie is an every down fit at DT. Crawford is naturally bigger/stronger, and a better athlete at that size.

Heading into next year excluding resigning soon to be free agents (Spencer, Selvie, Hayden, etc.), picking up Melton's option, or any draft additions.....

LDE: Ben Gardner, Lavar Edwards, Jack Crawford
1DT: Brent, Bishop, Okoye
3DT: Tyrone Crawford, Coleman, Okoye, Chris Whaley, Jack Crawford
RDE: Lawrence, Mincey, Boatright

Think Mincey could be an even better option on the left side...or possibly as the top guy off the bench in a rotation on both sides.

 

[Kaiser]

If Selvie wants to re-sign for the veterans minimum, then he can come to training camp to compete, but hopefully they find better options at both DE and DT than George Selvie.

Exactly, its a low cost tryout. If Selvie gets cut in training camp you didn't lose anything (unless you guaranteed his contract, which I doubt, and then you lose a couple of hundred K against the cap).

Jack Crawford is a good comp, he didn't cost anything as a waiver pickup and he is only 5 pounds heavier than Selvie is now (if the media guide is correct) and I doubt he makes the team next year. Who knows what would happen, but its a fun scenario to think about. For the people saying it could never happen, it happened with Tyrone Crawford and Crawford wasn't playing well enough at DE to beat out Selvie for the starting job at DE. Stranger things have happened and they will again.

 

[Kaiser]

LDE: Ben Gardner, Lavar Edwards, Jack Crawford
1DT: Brent, Bishop, Okoye
3DT: Tyrone Crawford, Coleman, Okoye, Chris Whaley, Jack Crawford
RDE: Lawrence, Mincey, Boatright

I think at LDE they sign a FA and use a high pick at the position and still bring Anthony Spencer back on an incentive based deal.

Also everyone here has dug a grave for Hayden but it doesn't cost anything to bring him to camp next year. If you have injuries he would be OK as the 2nd or 3rd 1 Tech and you might be able to flip him for a conditional 7th at the end of camp if another team has a rash of injuries.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think at LDE they sign a FA and use a high pick at the position and still bring Anthony Spencer back on an incentive based deal.

Also everyone here has dug a grave for Hayden but it doesn't cost anything to bring him to camp next year. If you have injuries he would be OK as the 2nd or 3rd 1 Tech and you might be able to flip him for a conditional 7th at the end of camp if another team has a rash of injuries.

I hope another teams signs Hayden so the Cowboys can't bring him back.

 

[PoundTheRock]

I hope another teams signs Hayden so the Cowboys can't bring him back.

Agree. Seems like that's the only way we can be rid of him. They keep watching him playing and bringing him back, so that'll never convince them to let him go.