Mucking up the mocks

[CATCH17]

Wentz is a gangly mess with a bunch of so-called measurables -- height, weight, arm strength. But he is not accurate. He is not fluid. Goff is fluid, both throwing and running the ball. His accuracy is ridiculously good, he moves effortlessly, he throws effortlessly. Goff is the real deal, Wentz is just the next reminder that having height, weight and arm strength are but small dimensions of what makes a great QB.

Could you please post some video with evidence of the gangly mess?

 

[erod]

Wentz is a gangly mess with a bunch of so-called measurables -- height, weight, arm strength. But he is not accurate. He is not fluid. Goff is fluid, both throwing and running the ball. His accuracy is ridiculously good, he moves effortlessly, he throws effortlessly. Goff is the real deal, Wentz is just the next reminder that having height, weight and arm strength are but small dimensions of what makes a great QB.

On the other hand...

Wentz is extremely mobile, and he is most compared to Ben Roethlisberger coming out of college. Plus, he operated in a pro style offense.

But I share your concerns. I can't fathom the top pick in the draft being a Division II quarterback from North Dakota.

 

[erod]

I m still not all that high on Ramsey, best athlete, probably. but with 3 career INT's in college...people hate on Mo and Carr for lack of INT's.....and no, we do not know if Ramsey will be better in the long run than either one of them.
So Ramsey gets a pass on lack of INT's. And are these the same people saying don't take Bosa because they just "feel" he won't get 10 plus sacks....

And people think they can put down the so called experts too....come on man....

Did teams avoid throwing his way?

 

[Verdict]

One of life's great unknowns is that, somehow, a handful of non-football blowhards have managed to carve a financial existence out of thin air by becoming "mock draft experts." I guess it beats the Cinnabon most of them worked at before.

They're almost never close to being right, even in the first round. And from the 2nd round on, their lists are great for catching canary crap before it hits the linoleum.

This year looks especially futile, although not by any fault of the mocksters. This draft seems impossible to predict because the draft order could become unrecognizable almost instantly.

The top four teams could very well trade out of their picks, setting off a domino effect that ripples through the first round and jumbles the players into an order not yet mocked up by anyone.

Tennessee already bugged out, and Cleveland is rumored to be un-enamored with any of the quarterbacks and intrigued by RG3 (yep, hard to believe). San Diego doesn't need Tunsil and could opt for more picks instead of Jalen Ramsey. If they trade out and Ramsey gets picked, Dallas will get serious offers for Tunsil, who seems like a bit of a luxury for the Cowboys. And on and on it goes.

Apparently Philadelphia is frothing at the mouth for Wentz, so if Goff goes first, the Eagles could offer a king's ransom to get to #2. If Dallas feels the same, it has more ammo with a higher pick to trade. The 49ers are in deep mourning after their new-old California counterparts beat them to the punch for Goff. (I think that's the pick because they wanted to one-up the 49ers.) But if they go Wentz, the Niners could go all-in for the #2.

And that doesn't even mention the annual "surprise" team lurking in the shadows. I don't ever remember a draft like this. Depending on who's picking, you could have entirely different top 10 players this year.

Unless the next Tom Brady, I hope Dallas trades out of this folly and racks up high draft picks. Maybe six picks in the top 132? That's how you rebuild a defense quickly.

Don't mock me.

I agree with this post. I don't recall a draft with this much uncertainty in recent years. I think part of the uncertainty is that this might be a pretty deep draft, but the top 10 in this draft may not carry a true top 10 grade. For instance, if the top 10 in this draft were in the draft that Tyron Smith came out of, none of them might get drafted in the top 10 of that draft.

 

[DogFace]

Good read erod and it all makes a lot of sense.

 

[erod]

I agree with this post. I don't recall a draft with this much uncertainty in recent years. I think part of the uncertainty is that this might be a pretty deep draft, but the top 10 in this draft may not carry a true top 10 grade. For instance, if the top 10 in this draft were in the draft that Tyron Smith came out of, none of them might get drafted in the top 10 of that draft.

I've read that there is very little difference between 20 and 120. A ton of good players in there.

And at the same time, as you said, the top 10 don't shine above all others.

 

[TheCount]

Yeah, we know that. People also watch pro wrestling and the Kardashians, and spend $50 a week playing the Powerball.

Mock drafters are just palm readers with a bigger audience.

I have no idea what a "Mock Drafter" is by your definition, but I disagree on your assessment that everyone that does them is akin to a palm reader.

 

[cowboys2233]

Could you please post some video with evidence of the gangly mess?

Watch both run their 40s at the combine. Goff is physically composed and fluid, smooth, quiet upper body. Now watch Wentz. A lot of side to side energy in his running, a lot of wasted movement. Power yes, efficiency, no. Yes, this is just the 40, but these differences in efficiency extend to all parts of the game, including overall throwing accuracy. Goff is simply a much more composed athlete with much better accuracy.

 

[TheCount]

I don't care what his origins are or not.

We mock them but they don't mind because they are making money doing what we do for free...talk football year round.

Yeah, that's what everyone says about people that do jobs that look fun. I promise you there's a guy that sees what you do for a living and thinks, man that looks easy, can't believe he gets paid to do that.

There's a difference between being an amateur and professional, even if your job is playing video games.

 

[CATCH17]

Watch both run their 40s at the combine. Goff is physically composed and fluid, smooth, quiet upper body. Now watch Wentz. A lot of side to side energy in his running, a lot of wasted movement. Power yes, efficiency, no. Yes, this is just the 40, but these differences in efficiency extend to all parts of the game, including overall throwing accuracy. Goff is simply a much more composed athlete with much better accuracy.

I'm done with this convo now.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Yeah, that's what everyone says about people that do jobs that look fun. I promise you there's a guy that sees what you do for a living and thinks, man that looks easy, can't believe he gets paid to do that.

There's a difference between being an amateur and professional, even if your job is playing video games.

Difference here is....If there is a guy getting paid to play video games...I would say great job...not mock them just because I don't agree with them.

I might not agree with the mocks and how they go but I will say some of them have earned their pay and many here would love to be able to do it and get paid like they do.

 

[cowboys2233]

I'm done with this convo now.

Good. Go join the sheep, continue to mindlessly mimic what the mediots have force fed you. Yes, Wentz is great, sure he is. You don't have a clue. You didn't even know who this guy was until about two months ago and now you're suggesting he is a can't miss prospect. LOL.

 

[muck4doo]

Why am I not making money doing this? I need to reflect on my life once again....

 

[erod]

Difference here is....If there is a guy getting paid to play video games...I would say great job...not mock them just because I don't agree with them.

I might not agree with the mocks and how they go but I will say some of them have earned their pay and many here would love to be able to do it and get paid like they do.

Much of that was just tongue-in-cheek bloviating, as I'm wont to do around here. I don't begrudge anybody from an honest paycheck if people are willing to pay.

It just puzzles me how they are viewed as "experts". Even a seasoned guy like Mayock is woefully wrong about so many players, I lose count.

 

[muck4doo]

By the way, "Mucking" is not a bad term. Muckers in hockey are grinders and work hard.

 

[erod]

Good. Go join the sheep, continue to mindlessly mimic what the mediots have force fed you. Yes, Wentz is great. You don't have a clue.

You are the one person on the planet that thinks Goff is a better athlete than Wentz. I've literally heard that from zero people, other than you.

Congratulations.

 

[erod]

By the way, "Mucking" is not a bad term. Muckers in hockey are grinders and work hard.

Well, if anyone is rightly offended, it would be muck4doo. LOL

 

[cowboys2233]

You are the one person on the planet that thinks Goff is a better athlete than Wentz. I've literally heard that from zero people, other than you.

Congratulations.

Yes, and since you haven't heard it from a bunch of other people, we wouldn't want to challenge that, huh? Just go play with the other sheep.

 

[Aven8]

I m still not all that high on Ramsey, best athlete, probably. but with 3 career INT's in college...people hate on Mo and Carr for lack of INT's.....and no, we do not know if Ramsey will be better in the long run than either one of them.
So Ramsey gets a pass on lack of INT's. And are these the same people saying don't take Bosa because they just "feel" he won't get 10 plus sacks....

And people think they can put down the so called experts too....come on man....

Ramsey won't get any picks here at corner as well, where the cowboys see him at rather then safety, with his back turned to the ball in man.

 

[CATCH17]

Good. Go join the sheep, continue to mindlessly mimic what the mediots have force fed you. Yes, Wentz is great, sure he is. You don't have a clue. You didn't even know who this guy was until about two months ago and now you're suggesting he is a can't miss prospect. LOL.

I was hyping him before the Mediots caught wind.


I'm not suggesting he is can't miss..

There is/was no QB ever drafted that's a safe choice.