Mucking up the mocks

[Jenky]

I agree.

However, what if Jones/Ramsey is the best pair of safeties in the NFL.

Ramsey projects to be very similar to Tyrann Matthieu.

Where did you hear that from?

 

[erod]

I have no idea what a "Mock Drafter" is by your definition, but I disagree on your assessment that everyone that does them is akin to a palm reader.

Anybody with a week of research can do a mock draft just as accurately as these guys. That's the point.

 

[erod]

Where did you hear that from?

Everywhere.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...fl-drafts-top-safety-heading-into-next-season

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...yles-jack-perfect-modern-nfl-says-espn-writer

http://fansided.com/2016/03/20/nfl-draft-5-reasons-jalen-ramsey-go-no-1/5/

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-new...owns-laremy-tunsil-cornerback-scouting-report

 

[erod]

Yes, and since you haven't heard it from a bunch of other people, we wouldn't want to challenge that, huh? Just go play with the other sheep.

Every single draft analyst on NFL Network considers Wentz the better athlete. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

 

[CowboyRoy]

One of life's great unknowns is that, somehow, a handful of non-football blowhards have managed to carve a financial existence out of thin air by becoming "mock draft experts." I guess it beats the Cinnabon most of them worked at before.

They're almost never close to being right, even in the first round. And from the 2nd round on, their lists are great for catching canary crap before it hits the linoleum.

This year looks especially futile, although not by any fault of the mocksters. This draft seems impossible to predict because the draft order could become unrecognizable almost instantly.

The top four teams could very well trade out of their picks, setting off a domino effect that ripples through the first round and jumbles the players into an order not yet mocked up by anyone.

Tennessee already bugged out, and Cleveland is rumored to be un-enamored with any of the quarterbacks and intrigued by RG3 (yep, hard to believe). San Diego doesn't need Tunsil and could opt for more picks instead of Jalen Ramsey. If they trade out and Ramsey gets picked, Dallas will get serious offers for Tunsil, who seems like a bit of a luxury for the Cowboys. And on and on it goes.

Apparently Philadelphia is frothing at the mouth for Wentz, so if Goff goes first, the Eagles could offer a king's ransom to get to #2. If Dallas feels the same, it has more ammo with a higher pick to trade. The 49ers are in deep mourning after their new-old California counterparts beat them to the punch for Goff. (I think that's the pick because they wanted to one-up the 49ers.) But if they go Wentz, the Niners could go all-in for the #2.

And that doesn't even mention the annual "surprise" team lurking in the shadows. I don't ever remember a draft like this. Depending on who's picking, you could have entirely different top 10 players this year.

Unless the next Tom Brady, I hope Dallas trades out of this folly and racks up high draft picks. Maybe six picks in the top 132? That's how you rebuild a defense quickly.

Don't mock me.

Sounds like you are a little jealous of the guys that had enough guts to go out and make their own mock draft website. Im surprised you didnt think of it yourself sitting around flipping burgers.

 

[erod]

Sounds like you are a little jealous of the guys that had enough guts to go out and make their own mock draft website. Im surprised you didnt think of it yourself sitting around flipping burgers.

If you only knew of the places I've been.

 

[Verdict]

I've read that there is very little difference between 20 and 120. A ton of good players in there.

And at the same time, as you said, the top 10 don't shine above all others.

Time will tell, but it sure looks like at this point in time that you could get a starter at DT possibly as late as the 4th round and not in a "surprise" or throwing a dart kind of way. It sounds like you might get first or second round talent as late as the 4th round in this draft on the defensive interior.

Likewise you might find 6 first round grades on OT in this draft which is a bit unusual. It looks like this draft might be characterized as lots of very good NFL starters and stars in this draft, but maybe zero SUPERSTARS. There may not be a Tyron Smith, or a J.J. Watt, Andrew Luck or a Demarcus Ware in this class.

 

[TheCount]

Difference here is....If there is a guy getting paid to play video games...I would say great job...not mock them just because I don't agree with them.

I might not agree with the mocks and how they go but I will say some of them have earned their pay and many here would love to be able to do it and get paid like they do.

Hmm, I think we're saying the same thing.

 

[CowboyRoy]

If you only knew of the places I've been.

 

[erod]

Time will tell, but it sure looks like at this point in time that you could get a starter at DT possibly as late as the 4th round and not in a "surprise" or throwing a dart kind of way. It sounds like you might get first or second round talent as late as the 4th round in this draft on the defensive interior.

Likewise you might find 6 first round grades on OT in this draft which is a bit unusual. It looks like this draft might be characterized as lots of very good NFL starters and stars in this draft, but maybe zero SUPERSTARS. There may not be a Tyron Smith, or a J.J. Watt, Andrew Luck or a Demarcus Ware in this class.

There will be just as many superstars as other drafts. We just don't know who they are as clearly this time.

Yummy.

 

[TheCount]

Anybody with a week of research can do a mock draft just as accurately as these guys. That's the point.

My entire point is that the mock's are a small part of what they do, and even they don't want to do them. Mock's bring eyeballs in, that's why they do them, not because they are pretending to be able to tell the future.

So doing a week of research and being able to do an inaccurate mock draft has no bearing on whether the professionals doing them are doing their job well or not, that's not why they're paid.

 

[DFWJC]

I've read that there is very little difference between 20 and 120. A ton of good players in there.

And at the same time, as you said, the top 10 don't shine above all others.

This is what stands out the most to me in this year's draft.
It IS a good draft group, but really a perfect draft for the top 5 or so to rack up by trading down--even if it's just a little.

 

[Verdict]

There will be just as many superstars as other drafts. We just don't know who they are as clearly this time.

Yummy.

Maybe so. I don't know about the yummy part. LOL. It just doesn't look like the grades at this point are screaming superstar.

 

[Verdict]

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This is what stands out the most to me in this year's draft.
It IS a good draft group, but really a perfect draft for the top 5 or so to rack up by trading down--even if it's just a little.

really feel liketrading down is the way to go in this draft, assuming that we can find a trade partner. That is probably true no matter who is left at #4, and we could probably get hosed a bit on the trade value and it would still probably be a prudent move.

 

[cowboys2233]

Every single draft analyst on NFL Network considers Wentz the better athlete. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

Because they define "athlete" in very simplistic terms. Strength/speed, that's it. Which is moronic. Accuracy is just as much of a physical trait as arm strength, just not as easily measured. Everyone would say that a guy like Michael Vick was a better athlete than Tony Romo. Why? He sure as hell isn't as accurate of a thrower, he sure as hell didn't have as quick of a release. Why doesn't that play into the equation? Are those not physical traits? Nope, it's all about foot speed and arm strength -- therefore, he's the better athlete.

 

[CATCH17]

Because they define "athlete" in very simplistic terms. Strength/speed, that's it. Which is moronic. Accuracy is just as much of a physical trait as arm strength, just not as easily measured. Everyone would say that a guy like Michael Vick was a better athlete than Tony Romo. Why? He sure as hell isn't as accurate of a thrower, he sure as hell didn't have as quick of a release. Why doesn't that play into the equation? Are those not physical traits? Nope, it's all about foot speed and arm strength -- therefore, he's the better athlete.

Wentz may throw the most accurate sideline pass I've ever seen for a QB coming out and he is deadly with throws down the seam.

Those 2 throws translate a ton to the NFL.

I'd like to see better touch on the deep passes but deep passes are a small part of the NFL passing tree.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Dallas absolutely can not let that happen.



They just spent 18 mill on Bradford and gave Chase Daniel a huge chunk of change too. I can't imagine they are also going to give up tons of picks for a QB.

Dallas isn't the only one who can blow smoke.... The Eagles aren't taking a QB, especially not trading up for one.

 

[cowboys2233]

Wentz may throw the most accurate sideline pass I've ever seen for a QB coming out and he is deadly with throws down the seam.

Those 2 throws translate a ton to the NFL.

I'd like to see better touch on the deep passes but deep passes are a small part of the NFL passing tree.

He's okay...better than most of the others like Lynch. Goff's passes have a different quality though, just...more zip. The flight path of his balls just have more of that rope quality about them. I don't think anyone would say that Tom Brady has the strongest arm in the league but watch the flight path of his balls, particularly mid-range passes. No one throws a ball with more zip than he does, they just seem to cut through the air with much more ease than most.

I realize "zip" probably doesn't come across as the most technical of terms, but it is what I look for. Goff has it, Wentz does not.

 

[CowboyChris]

Every single draft analyst on NFL Network considers Wentz the better athlete. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

what does Brugler say?

 

[CATCH17]

He's okay...better than most of the others like Lynch. Goff's passes have a different quality though, just...more zip. The flight path of his balls just have more of that rope quality about them. I don't think anyone would say that Tom Brady has the strongest arm in the league but watch the flight path of his balls, particularly mid-range passes. No one throws a ball with more zip than he does, they just seem to cut through the air with much more ease than most.

I realize "zip" probably doesn't come across as the most technical of terms, but it is what I look for. Goff has it, Wentz does not.

So Wentz doesn't have zip on his passes?

I would disagree and say his passes have more zip on them then anyone in this class by quite a large margin.