MVP voting: Romo, Murray tie for third

Derinyar · Jan 31, 2015

kurtatx said:
How many games do you think Houston wins without him? Probably only 6 or 7 honestly.

That argument is a losing one. Romo goes down and how many less games do the Cowboys win? Are the Packers an 8-8 team without Rodgers? The problem is in the realm of value there is no other position on the field that is as important as QB is.

MrPeanutbutter · Jan 31, 2015

Derinyar said:
That argument is a losing one. Romo goes down and how many less games do the Cowboys win? Are the Packers an 8-8 team without Rodgers? The problem is in the realm of value there is no other position on the field that is as important as QB is.

Oh it is, but if we're going to use this exact definition of MVP, then it is ALWAYS Aaron Rodgers. He is the best QB in the game surrounded by the least talent. The Packers are terrible without him.

If we're arguing "Who is the most valuable player on their team?", Romo and Murray remove themselves from the race.

dstovall5 · Jan 31, 2015

kurtatx said:
How many games do you think Houston wins without him? Probably only 6 or 7 honestly.

He's definitely the defensive MVP, if they ever had one. In today's NFL MVP is just another offensive award, that's the way it will be as long as QBs throw the ball 40 times a game.

I think the NFL should have two MVPs, just like they have two player of the year awards.

And to answer your question, as great as the year Watt had, he was still probably only worth 2-3 wins to his team. Defensive players just don't touch the ball as many times as the QB is what it boils down to.

KingintheNorth · Jan 31, 2015

I still think it's incredibly impressive to have two players in the top 4 MVP voting.

Be aggressive this off-season, fix a few holes on defense, and Romo will a legitimate MVP candidate next year.

dstovall5 · Jan 31, 2015

kurtatx said:
If that's the case, Aaron Rodgers wins hands down every year, frankly. I love Tony Romo, but the Packers are horrible without Rodgers at the helm.

I'm sure Rodgers will win many more MVPs, he's a helluva QB and I think will go down as the greatest of all time (or at least top 3). He just needs to stay healthy, because he's obviously head and shoulders above the next best QB.

MrPeanutbutter · Jan 31, 2015

Derinyar said:
That argument is a losing one. Romo goes down and how many less games do the Cowboys win? Are the Packers an 8-8 team without Rodgers? The problem is in the realm of value there is no other position on the field that is as important as QB is.

dstovall5 said:
He's definitely the defensive MVP, if they ever had one. In today's NFL MVP is just another offensive award, that's the way it will be as long as QBs throw the ball 40 times a game.

I think the NFL should have two MVPs, just like they have two player of the year awards.

And to answer your question, as great as the year Watt had, he was still probably only worth 2-3 wins to his team. Defensive players just don't touch the ball as many times as the QB is what it boils down to.

Thank you. It's nice to have a good discussion about football without someone calling out someone else's fandom.

Ultimately, none of this matters, as none or the teams we're arguing over are in the Super Bowl.

MrPeanutbutter · Jan 31, 2015

dstovall5 said:
I'm sure Rodgers will win many more MVPs, he's a helluva QB and I think will go down as the greatest of all time. He just needs to stay healthy, because he's obviously head and shoulders above the next best QB.

He is extremely injury prone. He's hurt every season.

Pessimist_cowboy · Jan 31, 2015

kurtatx said:
Watch a Texans game. He is far and away the best player on the field every time he steps out there, including when he played us.

No he wasn't he was a non factor vs us

big dog cowboy · Jan 31, 2015

Side note: The entire NFL Honor show is about to make me hurl.

MrPeanutbutter · Jan 31, 2015

big dog cowboy said:
Side note: The entire NFL Honor show is about to make me hurl.

They tried. It's just not quite the production value of the major awards, but it did finish on schedule!

mldardy · Jan 31, 2015

perrykemp said:
I find it difficult to find fault with anybody who thinks JJ Watt is the best defensive player in the NFL, and therefore a top NFL MVP candidate.

Wow i said he should have won dpoy. I just felt he didn't deserve mvp. Evidently you have difficulty understanding this. The guy wasn't worthy in my opinion. Get over it.

camelboy · Jan 31, 2015

They need to stop it…it's silly and ridiculous in my opinion

mldardy · Jan 31, 2015

Mansta54 said:
He did very little to nothing against us. I watched Leary hulk slam him on one play.

No way man jj watt can do everything. What's the matter with you lol.

65fastback2plus2 · Jan 31, 2015

kurtatx said:
How many games do you think Houston wins without him? Probably only 6 or 7 honestly.

they only won 2 last year WITH him LOL

65fastback2plus2 · Jan 31, 2015

dstovall5 said:
I'm sure Rodgers will win many more MVPs, he's a helluva QB and I think will go down as the greatest of all time (or at least top 3). He just needs to stay healthy, because he's obviously head and shoulders above the next best QB.

no one who has a massively, horrible losing record when the game is within 1 score in the 4th quarter is anywhere CLOSE to top 3 all time. NO WHERE.

Shoot, the only one with a worse record last I checked is cam newton. Rodgers is THAT bad.

He's a scared, pansy stat padder.

MrPeanutbutter · Jan 31, 2015

65fastback2plus2 said:
no one who has a massively, horrible losing record when the game is within 1 score in the 4th quarter is anywhere CLOSE to top 3 all time. NO WHERE.

Shoot, the only one with a worse record last I checked is cam newton. Rodgers is THAT bad.

He's a scared, pansy stat padder.

Okay, you're just not watching. He will be the greatest ever at the end of his career barring injury.

LatinMind · Jan 31, 2015

AdamJT13 said:
Rodgers 31
Watt 13
Murray 2
Romo 2
Brady 1
Bobby Wagner 1

Think it shouldve been either Brady or Murray

65fastback2plus2 · Jan 31, 2015

Comebacks:

Aaron Rodgers - 12 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=RodgAa00)
Tony Romo - 28 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=RomoTo00 )
Tom Brady - 45 ( http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=BradTo00 )
Andrew Luck - 12 ( http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=LuckAn00 )
Peyton Manning - 52 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=MannPe00 )
Joe Montana - 33 ( http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=MontJo01 )

Ya, rodgers is "probably the best all time"....NOT

Wayne02 · Jan 31, 2015

mgcowboy said:
I say this and for most of my time here I spent it posting against Romo, but after the Cardinals game anyone who names someone other than Romo as MVP is either delusional, blind, hater, or plain stupid

Well I guess it's a good thing that your opinion is meaningless.

65fastback2plus2 · Jan 31, 2015

kurtatx said:
Okay, you're just not watching. He will be the greatest ever at the end of his career barring injury.

I am watching...you're being blinded by a few stat lines and missing the whole picture.

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