My Meaningless Thoughts On the Game...

[jay cee]

Oh how I would have loved to see you post like this when P. Manning had fewer than 50 starts....the complaints were the same....the guy threw INT's in 9 straight games that were returned for TD's....talk about mistake prone....throwing INT's on out routes...something a QB must absolutely not do....did he eventually learn from that? Yep. How long did it take him to get that monkey off of his back? Quite a while.

Everybody wants to act like Romo has been starting 5+ years but he hasn't.

Now, having said that, he absolutely sucked yesterday....that's a no-brainer....but we have all seen what he can do.

Couldn't disagree more on the JG issue....we still had more passes called than runs....always has been that way since he's been the OC...and normally for good reason as Romo more often than not gets it done.

However, last night it was obvious to everybody and their mother that Romo was struggling and that the G-men couldn't stop the run.

Just like another poster said yesterday....if we were Pittsburgh we would have run the ball 45 times and passed 15 times....

But....this is what we get having a former QB as an OC....More balance....MIX in the pass when the pass isn't working....make the defense stop you.

I like JG, but in a close game where your QB is sucking and the run can't be stopped....and we get the ball back after a three and out after we had just scored....you don't call a pass with one of the options being a deep guy. The smart thing would be to keep calling the same sort of game....didn't do it....all it took was a FG and the way our secondary was playing was pitiful....

More runs equals more TOP....less of a chance for them to score....

Just a pitiful gameplan in the second half with an obvious struggling QB.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.
The idea that you have to throw the ball for the sake of throwing the ball is crazy.

You have a big, high paid OL and 3 good running backs make the defense sell out to stop the run, then throw the ball.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I dont want the class clown to be the leader of my team. You need a strong personality that people look up to. The only thing certain about Romo is that he will be turn the ball over in crunch time and find Jason Witten on the out.

Franchise QB's (with a few exceptions) are found in the first round. Make it happen Jerry. A replacement needs to be groomed.

As usual for you a blanket generalization without much in the way to back it up.

 

[jay cee]

I guess that other poster didn't watch Pittsburgh against the Giants last year.

The Steelers' running backs averaged 4.6 yards per carry, and Roethlisberger threw four picks. But they called 37 pass plays and only 21 running plays -- even though they were LEADING for most of the game. (Their defense folded in the fourth quarter, and they lost by seven.)

Well, I guess I should back off of my criticism of Garrett then. But that type of play calling does not make sense to me.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Well, I guess I should back off of my criticism of Garrett then. But that type of play calling does not make sense to me.

That's the problem.

You can't be falling into the "herds" way of thinking.

Get the facts and come to your own conclusion.

 

[Kilyin]

Franchise QB's (with a few exceptions) are found in the first round. Make it happen Jerry. A replacement needs to be groomed.

Like Brady Quinn?

The early results are not encouraging, and Quinn is struggling to escape his reputation as the newest incarnation of Captain Checkdown. Quinn is averaging 5.5 yards per attempt, and rarely looks to stretch the field.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Like Brady Quinn?

The early results are not encouraging, and Quinn is struggling to escape his reputation as the newest incarnation of Captain Checkdown. Quinn is averaging 5.5 yards per attempt, and rarely looks to stretch the field.

And I'm sure Mangina has alot to with that also .

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

As usual for you a blanket generalization without much in the way to back it up.

Typical homer apologist response.

Expected.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Typical homer apologist response.

Expected.

I'm waiting for your full reply on how only 1st round picked QB's end up being franchise quarterbacks.

 

[Apollo Creed]

The defense didn't cost us that game. But it sure seems likes whenever our defense is pressed in a get-off-the-field-or-lose-the-game situation, we tend to lose the game.

The thing about our defense is this.

They never really lose the game for us, but when was the last time they won a game for us? Tampa last year when Romo was hurt?

Our offense has won plenty of games for this team over the past 3 years, where has the defense been? Its easy to ride the coat tails of the offense when they're putting up 30 every week.

Outside of Ware and Ratliff, I think every single player on that side of the ball is severely overrated by our fan base - especially this board. I'm used to guys like Spears, Hamlin, Bradie, Spencer, Carp, etc letting me down. But what hapenned to usually consistent guys like Newman? Guess we'll have to wait for KC Joyner to bring up some statistical statistics to back up why he's a 'shut down corner.'

We have severely overated that side of the football, and its coaching staff across the board.

13-3, 60 million sacks, FTW!

 

[Apollo Creed]

And I'm sure Mangina has alot to with that also .

Excuses excuses.

 

[Alexander]

Good OP Yakuza. You can only defend the Heartbreak Kid for so long... Eventually he will break the hearts of even his most dedicated supporters.

What fans feel is one thing, but I am more concerned how the team feels.

And despite public comments that players might say, I often wonder how the rest of the team, namely the defense, responds to having to defend short fields or cope with his turnover issues. There are numerous time over each year he has multiple turnover games. And often the defense is asked to pull it out with a stop.

I am not saying the defense was not fault for the other night, not by a long shot. But giving them seven points and stopping other two other drives has to take it's toll. A better example would be the Pittsburgh game from last year where it was a resounding Romo issue and coincidentally the team fragmented after that point.

There are times where I just get the sensation that we don't have a unified team and never really have. We have what amounts to two "head coaches" (one offense, one defense) and they rarely appear like they are in synergy.

It is reasonable to assume that there might be some resentment. I believe that's what Owens preyed upon last year. You just don't get the same kind of comments from the defensive players talking like Gurode did. It might be nothing and everyone is right behind him as "our guy", but you rarely read about it.

Nobody is saying the defense shouldn't have to win like that. Great teams do that. I am just wondering if we have a "team" or just two separate entities doing whatever and we just hope the two gel each game.

 

[zrinkill]

I'm waiting for your full reply on how only 1st round picked QB's end up being franchise quarterbacks.

He wont ..... all he can do is cry homer! and then run back to worship at his Brady Quinn poster.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

I'm waiting for your full reply on how only 1st round picked QB's end up being franchise quarterbacks.

Oh geez.....

Sure there are exceptions but lets make a list.

Exceptions

Brady (stud)
Bulger (dud)
Warner (stud)
Romo (dud)
Garrard (dud)
Farve (HOF)
Casell (decent)
Shaub (decent)
Orton (dud)
Trent (decent)
Delhomme (dud)
Shaun Hill (who knows)
Hasselback (decent)


1st round QB's with clout.

Eli
Peyton
Rivers
Brees (might as well, 1st pick of 2nd round)
McFlubb
Palmer
Rodgers
Ben
Cutler


1st round Duds/misses

Campbell
Leftwich
Collins (decent career
Pennington (decent career)
Jamarcus
VY
Leinart

Potential first round studs

Sanchez
Matty Ice
Stafford
Flacco
Brady Quinn


The upper echlon of QBS in this league are first rounders with the exception of Brady, Warner.

Give me a first round QB. Sure you might miss and miss bad but if you hit, you are rewarded for years.

 

[zrinkill]

Oh geez.....

Sure there are exceptions but lets make a list.

Exceptions

Brady (stud)
Bulger (dud)
Warner (stud)
Romo (dud)
Garrard (dud)
Farve (HOF)
Casell (decent)
Shaub (decent)
Orton (dud)
Trent (decent)
Delhomme (dud)
Shaun Hill (who knows)
Hasselback (decent)


1st round QB's with clout.

Eli
Peyton
Rivers
McFlubb
Palmer
Rodgers
Ben
Cutler


1st round Duds/misses

Campbell
Leftwich
Collins (decent career
Pennington (decent career)
Jamarcus
VY
Leinart

Potential first round studs

Sanchez
Matty Ice
Stafford
Flacco
Brady Quinn


The upper echlon of QBS in this league are first rounders with the exception of Brady, Warner.

Give me a first round QB. Sure you might miss and miss bad but if you hit, you are rewarded for years.

The fact that you put Romo as a dud but guys who have not had near the success or numbers as he as hits shows how silly you really are.

 

[Apollo Creed]

What fans feel is one thing, but I am more concerned how the team feels.

And despite public comments that players might say, I often wonder how the rest of the team, namely the defense, responds to having to defend short fields or cope with his turnover issues. There are numerous time over each year he has multiple turnover games. And often the defense is asked to pull it out with a stop.

I am not saying the defense was not fault for the other night, not by a long shot. But giving them seven points and stopping other two other drives has to take it's toll. A better example would be the Pittsburgh game from last year where it was a resounding Romo issue and coincidentally the team fragmented after that point.

There are times where I just get the sensation that we don't have a unified team and never really have. We have what amounts to two "head coaches" (one offense, one defense) and they rarely appear like they are in synergy.

It is reasonable to assume that there might be some resentment. I believe that's what Owens preyed upon last year. You just don't get the same kind of comments from the defensive players talking like Gurode did. It might be nothing and everyone is right behind him as "our guy", but you rarely read about it.

Nobody is saying the defense shouldn't have to win like that. Great teams do that. I am just wondering if we have a "team" or just two separate entities doing whatever and we just hope the two gel each game.

Our defense having to respond to adversity four or five times a year when Romo has one of those games is a pretty easy task for a unit loaded with first round picks and hundreds of millions of dollars of long term contracts.

This defense never wins us any games, our offense has single handedly done it several times. If any unit should resent the other it should be the offense. The defense never forces any turnovers and doesn't do anything to help itself get off the field. You can't get mad when your QB has a bad game and you finally ask something from that side of the ball.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Oh geez.....

Sure there are exceptions but lets make a list.

Exceptions

Brady (stud)
Bulger (dud)
Warner (stud)
Romo (dud)
Garrard (dud)
Farve (HOF)
Casell (decent)
Shaub (decent)
Orton (dud)
Trent (decent)
Delhomme (dud)
Shaun Hill (who knows)
Hasselback (decent)


1st round QB's with clout.

Eli
Peyton
Rivers
Brees (might as well, 1st pick of 2nd round)
McFlubb
Palmer
Rodgers
Ben
Cutler


1st round Duds/misses

Campbell
Leftwich
Collins (decent career
Pennington (decent career)
Jamarcus
VY
Leinart

Potential first round studs

Sanchez
Matty Ice
Stafford
Flacco
Brady Quinn


The upper echlon of QBS in this league are first rounders with the exception of Brady, Warner.

Give me a first round QB. Sure you might miss and miss bad but if you hit, you are rewarded for years.

That's a neat trick how you finagled Brees into being the 1st round QB's with clout.

I'm surprised you didn't use that cheap parlor trick with Farve too.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

That's a neat trick how you finagled Brees into being the 1st round QB's with clout.

I'm surprised you didn't use that cheap parlor trick with Farve too.

10 years ago I would have. Was Carolina and JaX teams yet when he was drafted?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

10 years ago I would have. Was Carolina and JaX teams yet when he was drafted?

Come'on...

Be real would ya?

Romo has a 94.2 passer rating and he's a "Dud"?

Your back must be awfully sore from that agenda you carry around.

 

[zrinkill]

Your back must be awfully sore from that agenda you carry around.

Thats not whats sore ...... go lower.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Thats not whats sore ...... go lower.

Your right...

My legs are sore from those 12 - 45 lb plates I was leg pressing 6 times yesterday.

But you wouldn,t know anything about that now would you?