My Offseason Mock

[darthseinfeld]

If your taking that level of a defensive end, trade down. Harold is a reach in the first and in a deep draft you can get a DE just as good trading out of the first. Especially if its a rotational player.

While its true that NY and Seattle have a heavy rotation as yourself this. How many first round picks played on Seattles defensive line?

 

[The Realist]

Correct. I can see Lawrence getting snaps on strongside though. He's listed at 251 lbs, but looks bigger than that. I believe he even added more muscle while rehabbing.

Yeah, no.

 

[The Realist]

If your taking that level of a defensive end, trade down. Harold is a reach in the first and in a deep draft you can get a DE just as good trading out of the first. Especially if its a rotational player.

While its true that NY and Seattle have a heavy rotation as yourself this. How many first round picks played on Seattles defensive line?

Seriously. Thank you. Where was all this DL depth drafted. Same with the famed Giants DL rotation.

 

[cowboys1981]

Seriously. Thank you. Where was all this DL depth drafted. Same with the famed Giants DL rotation.

JPP- 1st round
Kiwanuka- 1st round
Osi- 2nd round
Linval Joseph- 2nd round
Tuck-3rd round

 

[darthseinfeld]

Seriously. Thank you. Where was all this DL depth drafted. Same with the famed Giants DL rotation.

Mostly mid rounds and smart FA signings. NY went with there board and took DE's when it was BPA even when it wasnt a need

 

[cowboys1981]

Mostly mid rounds and smart FA signings. NY went with there board and took DE's when it was BPA even when it wasnt a need

Seattle was smart in adding players like Avril, and Bennett. Bennett wasn't even drafted.

My position has nothing do with where players are drafted. The point I'm making is we need as many quality players on the edges as we can get. NY and SEA both were able to pull this off using different formulas.

DE's- Harold, Lawrence, Smith, Graham and Mincey would be an upgrade over the current bunch. Bye bye Selvie, Crawford and Spencer and hello Harold, Graham, and Smith.

 

[The Realist]

JPP- 1st round
Kiwanuka- 1st round
Osi- 2nd round
Linval Joseph- 2nd round
Tuck-3rd round

You act like they were throwing high picks at DE every year. Joseph isn't even a factor in this convo. How many of those guys are on the team now. If they draft them so consistently you would think most would still be around?

 

[darthseinfeld]

Seattle was smart in adding players like Avril, and Bennett. Bennett wasn't even drafted.

My position has nothing do with where players are drafted. The point I'm making is we need as many quality players on the edges as we can get. NY and SEA both were able to pull this off using different formulas.

DE's- Harold, Lawrence, Smith, Graham and Mincey would be an upgrade over the current bunch. Bye bye Selvie, Crawford and Spencer and hello Harold, Graham, and Smith.

I get that, but my point is no dont need to use first rounders to build a dominant line. Harold is a reach in the first and we could get a DE just as goof as him in the 2nd. I really dont want to reach on guys just to fill a need, especially when it isnt nessesary to build a strong unit.

 

[darthseinfeld]

You act like they were throwing high picks at DE every year. Joseph isn't even a factor in this convo. How many of those guys are on the team now. If they draft them so consistently you would think most would still be around?

What NY did was smart and they went by there board picking a DE when they werent a need and were the best player available in Kiwinuka and JPP

 

[cowboys1981]

You act like they were throwing high picks at DE every year. Joseph isn't even a factor in this convo. How many of those guys are on the team now. If they draft them so consistently you would think most would still be around?

He can be considered a factor since he draws double teams which allows the DEs to be isolated in their matchups vs Ts.

Whether they drafted them high or not doesn't change the fact they succeeded in their formula which was adding quality on the edge.

All of these players are still employed in the NFL so someone still thinks they have some value.

 

[cowboys1981]

I get that, but my point is no dont need to use first rounders to build a dominant line. Harold is a reach in the first and we could get a DE just as goof as him in the 2nd. I really dont want to reach on guys just to fill a need, especially when it isnt nessesary to build a strong unit.

If we were talking top 10 then yes I get you, but we're talking high 20's to possibly 32(;

It wouldn't be a favorable move, but adding a center who was graded a 3rd rounder in the 1st paid off. This guy can be an impact player off the edge. If he makes it all the way to our 2nd round slot and we pick him, I'd be ecstatic.

What other players do you have in mind with our first round pick?

 

[darthseinfeld]

If we were talking top 10 then yes I get you, but we're talking high 20's to possibly 32(;

It wouldn't be a favorable move, but adding a center who was graded a 3rd rounder in the 1st paid off. This guy can be an impact player off the edge. If he makes it all the way to our 2nd round slot and we pick him, I'd be ecstatic.

What other players do you have in mind with our first round pick?

Frederick was generally considered an early to mid round value. A few black sheep had him as a 3rd. Also keep in mind reaching for a DE leads to way more busts then reaching for intirior OL.

If we are staying at our pick, Im sticking with my board. If my options are a top 15 WR or a mid 2nd round DE, I take the WR every time. Id rather have Devante Parker on my team then Markus Golden

 

[cowboys1981]

Frederick was generally considered an early to mid round value. A few black sheep had him as a 3rd. Also keep in mind reaching for a DE leads to way more busts then reaching for intirior OL.

If we are staying at our pick, Im sticking with my board. If my options are a top 15 WR or a mid 2nd round DE, I take the WR every time. Id rather have Devante Parker on my team then Markus Golden

You and I both know we won't pick WR in that hypothetical situation. My guess is we'll go after a pass rusher.

 

[darthseinfeld]

You and I both know we won't pick WR in that hypothetical situation. My guess is we'll go after a pass rusher.

Why do think that. Dallas goes by there board. We needed defense last year, had an offense line that finished the season very strong and picked another OG because he was at the top of our board. We didnt need a WR when we picked Bryant

 

[The Realist]

He can be considered a factor since he draws double teams which allows the DEs to be isolated in their matchups vs Ts.

Whether they drafted them high or not doesn't change the fact they succeeded in their formula which was adding quality on the edge.

All of these players are still employed in the NFL so someone still thinks they have some value.

Going back to 2005 when Tuck was drafted you included edge rushers including LB's and guys who can command a double team.

2005:
1a) Demarcus Ware
1b) Marcus Spears

4) Chris Canty
7) Jay Ratliff

2006:
3) Jason Hatcher

2007:
1) Anthony Spencer

2008:
6) Eric Walden

2010:
7a) Sean Lissemore
7b) Josh Brent

2012:
3) Tyrone Crawford

2014:
2) Demarcus Lawrence

 

[cowboys1981]

Why do think that. Dallas goes by there board. We needed defense last year, had an offense line that finished the season very strong and picked another OG because he was at the top of our board. We didnt need a WR when we picked Bryant

We have Dez, Williams, Beasley, and Street. Which was better than what he had when we drafted Dez.

Aside from Frederick we still needed a guard so we didn't have to go out and spend on rentals like Waters.

 

[cowboys1981]

Going back to 2005 when Tuck was drafted you included edge rushers including LB's and guys who can command a double team.

2005:
1a) Demarcus Ware
1b) Marcus Spears

4) Chris Canty
7) Jay Ratliff

2006:
3) Jason Hatcher

2007:
1) Anthony Spencer

2008:
6) Eric Walden

2010:
7a) Sean Lissemore
7b) Josh Brent

2012:
3) Tyrone Crawford

2014:
2) Demarcus Lawrence

Its fair to say NY drafted better than we did in this department. I wouldn't mind adding more pieces in that area for the 2015 draft. I would actually love a repeat of impact players we drafted in '05 on defense this year.

 

[darthseinfeld]

We have Dez, Williams, Beasley, and Street. Which was better than what he had when we drafted Dez.

Aside from Frederick we still needed a guard so we didn't have to go out and spend on rentals like Waters.

Basically we have Dez, a couple nitch players and a homeless persons Jason Avant, and no one who can be a go to WR if Dez gets hurt. When we drafted Dez, Miles Austin just came off his big year and got extended, we still had Roy Williams who we paid a ton on money too and we still had Crayton

 

[The Realist]

Its fair to say NY drafted better than we did in this department. I wouldn't mind adding more pieces in that area for the 2015 draft. I would actually love a repeat of impact players we drafted in '05 on defense this year.

It's fair to say that guys like Lawrence and Crawford will improve. That along with drafting a 3 down SDE who isn't 240-250 nickel pass rusher will make everyone better. Including the depth guys we already have on the roster who people think nothing of.

 

[cowboys1981]

Basically we have Dez, a couple nitch players and a homeless persons Jason Avant, and no one who can be a go to WR if Dez gets hurt. When we drafted Dez, Miles Austin just came off his big year and got extended, we still had Roy Williams who we paid a ton on money too and we still had Crayton

Yeah, but Williams' lack of impact is probably why traded to get Dez. Our new approach to our offense would make drafting a receiver meaningless, especially if we let Murray walk.