My open letter to Jim Reeves at FWST...

Hunter71

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With all due respect, your article is one shoddy piece of journalism.
No where in there do you even make a case for why people are upset for this hiring and you completely fail to even show our side of the issue.

Here are a couple facts since you and your brethren in the media are too lazy to research for your selves:

1) Turner has a .412 record as a head coach.
2) The reason for his firing in DC was because he couldn’t win the close games and his record of losing games by 3 points or less was horrible.
3) Even the HOF receiver Jerry Rice recently commented on what little control he had over the Raiders. Commenting that Woodson and others would show up late to meetings and Norv wouldn’t do a thing.
4) Since his time in Dallas he’s had 2, count them 2, offenses to be in the top 10 in terms of scoring. WOW! Real offensive genius!
5) In his 2 years in Oakland, he won 1, count it 1, game against an AFC West opponent. I’m sure Gibbs, Reid and Coughlin are just quaking thinking about this coaching genius.
6) We’re basically hiring a mentor to mentor a mentor. We’re hiring Turner to mentor Garrett who will mentor Romo? That makes sense. I thought we were done with the rebuilding process?

The guy is a loser. Plain and simple and this franchise is making a serious mistake in this hire. All the while, the media is fawning over the good ol’ days because you yearn to have some coach who actually gives a crap about what you write or think unlike Parcells who thought that each and every one of you were a joke.

Get real and open your eyes. You’re so quick to ride Parcells out of town yet you’re so quick to also welcome one of the biggest failures in coaching history back to Dallas with open arms.

But, what do I know. I’m just some 35 year old guy who’s been a fan of the team for 24 years and travels once a year to see the team play somewhere. I’m just a fan who looks at records and comments from HOF players about what an utter failure Norv has been. I’m just a guy who thinks it’s utterly pathetic that we’re hiring someone who’s one MAJOR plus in any article that’s written is that he introduced Troy Aikman at the HOF and was part of the glory years of the early 90’s.

I’m just a fan who wants to know: What have you done, Norv, in your past to deserve this job? Absolutely NOTHING
 

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Hunter71, did you email this to Reeves? If so, I wonder if he will respond?

If he does respond, do us a follow-uo, OK?

;)
 

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Norv has 8 years as a Head Coach in the NFL to compile that .412 winning % with bad teams.

Tom Landry started with bad teams. In his first 8 years as an NFL Head Coach he compiled a 44-61-5 record. This is a .419 winning %. The next year with a much better team he went 12-2.

Maybe Norv can do better with a better team, which I do think we have a better compilation of talent than his Skins and Raiders teams were.


Note to the over sensitive...I am not comparing Norv Turner to Tom Landry. He isn't fit to stand in the man's shadow. I know this, so please don't help me "understand."
 

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Hostile;1349103 said:
Norv has 8 years as a Head Coach in the NFL to compile that .412 winning % with bad teams.

Tom Landry started with bad teams. In his first 8 years as an NFL Head Coach he compiled a 44-61-5 record. This is a .419 winning %. The next year with a much better team he went 12-2.

Maybe Norv can do better with a better team, which I do think we have a better compilation of talent than his Skins and Raiders teams were.


Note to the over sensitive...I am not comparing Norv Turner to Tom Landry. He isn't fit to stand in the man's shadow. I know this, so please don't help me "understand."


Are you comparing Norv to Landry?!!! :eek:


:lmao:





(i just could not resist...please don't ban me)!
 

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Hostile;1349103 said:
Norv has 8 years as a Head Coach in the NFL to compile that .412 winning % with bad teams.

Tom Landry started with bad teams. In his first 8 years as an NFL Head Coach he compiled a 44-61-5 record. This is a .419 winning %. The next year with a much better team he went 12-2.

Maybe Norv can do better with a better team, which I do think we have a better compilation of talent than his Skins and Raiders teams were.


Note to the over sensitive...I am not comparing Norv Turner to Tom Landry. He isn't fit to stand in the man's shadow. I know this, so please don't help me "understand."

I know you are not saying norv will be as good as Tom.

However one thing you did not factor into your takes.

Tom was starting from scratch with an expansion team, and this was before expansion teams got some of the perks of todays expansion teams.

Norv was not. They may not have been great teams but there IS a difference.
 

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I knew it would do a fly by. Oh well, can't say I didn't try. Guess I could have made the font bigger.

I love how people want every situation to be exactly alike in every way, shape and form. Guess what Norman...it never will be. There will always be extenuating "circumstances."
 

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Maybe Norv can do better with a better team, which I do think we have a better compilation of talent than his Skins and Raiders teams were.


Ummm...

He had 7 years to build "his" team in DC...

He made the draft choices, he had a say in FA, he hired the coaches, he built the offense...

At what point is he actually accountable for being a HC?...

Funny, all I hear are excuses for why he wasn't successful...

At some point, isn't that why you're hired to be a HC?...
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1349115 said:
I know you are not saying norv will be as good as Tom.

However one thing you did not factor into your takes.

Tom was starting from scratch with an expansion team, and this was before expansion teams got some of the perks of todays expansion teams.

Norv was not. They may not have been great teams but there IS a difference.

On top of that you have HOF'ers (Rice) or borderline HOF type (Woodson) essentially calling him out as a leader.
 

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5Stars;1349088 said:
Hunter71, did you email this to Reeves? If so, I wonder if he will respond?

If he does respond, do us a follow-uo, OK?

;)

Yup...

About 20 min ago...

Will do...
 

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Hostile;1349120 said:
I knew it would do a fly by. Oh well, can't say I didn't try. Guess I could have made the font bigger.

I love how people want every situation to be exactly alike in every way, shape and form. Guess what Norman...it never will be. There will always be extenuating "circumstances."

Honestly, you have to blame yourself on that one.

You throw it out there and think just because you put an ending tag it will not be used.

It was a bad analogy no matter how you tried to qualify it.

The terms were too different ...nowhere near EXACTLY alike.

You could have put in any name of a coach that had that record with an expansion team and it would still not fly.

Just a bad analogy...honestly.
 

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Hostile;1349120 said:
I knew it would do a fly by. Oh well, can't say I didn't try. Guess I could have made the font bigger.

I love how people want every situation to be exactly alike in every way, shape and form. Guess what Norman...it never will be. There will always be extenuating "circumstances."

Indeed. And this team has its own extenuating "circumstances." Such as a meddling owner who thinks he's a GM and Scout, a young defense that is currently rudderless, an inconsistent O-line, a young QB coming off a tragic playoff letdown, a RB who is a pile-seeking missile, etc etc etc

Yes, this is a more talented team than Norv had in Oakland or Washington. No, its not even close to the equivalent of Switzer taking over a Dynasty team. We still have very real challenges, and considering how few Norv proved he could overcome in other places I don't see this as a good time to 'get the band back together.'
 

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I hate how some peope act like politicians. Whine and moan and complain about decisions that are being made but not offering any reasonable alternatives.


Just wipe the sand out of your manginas, realize that there aren't a ton of blue chip guaranteed to succeed candidates out there and hope for the best.
 

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Hunter71;1349123 said:
Maybe Norv can do better with a better team, which I do think we have a better compilation of talent than his Skins and Raiders teams were.


Ummm...

He had 7 years to build "his" team in DC...

He made the draft choices, he had a say in FA, he hired the coaches, he built the offense...

At what point is he actually accountable for being a HC?...

Funny, all I hear are excuses for why he wasn't successful...

At some point, isn't that why you're hired to be a HC?...
Where did I not hold him accountable?

Look closer before you assume I'm making excuses for Norv. I've been a Jason Garrett guy from the word go, and want Cowher to at least get an interview with an inquiry into the cost from the Steelers and I want Ron Rivera more than any of the coaches (save Garrett).

I just think .412 is a weak leg to stand on and despite the lecture I got in another post by a colleague...still do. My own fault, I knew people would over react.
 

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StanleySpadowski;1349147 said:
I hate how some peope act like politicians. Whine and moan and complain about decisions that are being made but not offering any reasonable alternatives.


Just wipe the sand out of your manginas, realize that there aren't a ton of blue chip guaranteed to succeed candidates out there and hope for the best.

Just because there are no $100 chips out there...does not mean you have to go with a $5 chip out there.

In other words there are some out there that are just as good or bad (depending on you opinion).

If you want to go with a retread..at least get one that has a winning record or better record.
 

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StanleySpadowski;1349147 said:
I hate how some peope act like politicians. Whine and moan and complain about decisions that are being made but not offering any reasonable alternatives.


Just wipe the sand out of your manginas, realize that there aren't a ton of blue chip guaranteed to succeed candidates out there and hope for the best.

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Listen up Cosmo, people are offering other alternatives all over this message board. Its not anyones fault but your own if you havent read them yet.
 

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StanleySpadowski;1349147 said:
I hate how some peope act like politicians. Whine and moan and complain about decisions that are being made but not offering any reasonable alternatives.


Just wipe the sand out of your manginas, realize that there aren't a ton of blue chip guaranteed to succeed candidates out there and hope for the best.

The sand has been removed from mind since Parcells was officially out.

I have been preaching the same thing you just said for the past couple days in this chaos.

Parcells was holding us back and any change cant be much worse.

Like I've said before... the only thing that can be worse in the 2007 season as opposed to the past 4 years results in a better draft pick.

11 years and no playoffs wins... I dont even wanna hear the arguement Norv will lead us back to the 5-11 seasons. Honestly, its not that much worse :p:
 

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I don't really understand why you think this is shoddy journalism. He is making the case for the hiring of Norv. He is not trying to state the case for not hiring him. This article is not supposed to be a debate.

A liberal writer will not make the conservative case for them. Why do you expect him to make the case against something he believes to be right?

By the way, I am not for hiring Norv, but that is the case for hiring him is it not? How is that bad journalism when in truth that is the case for it.
 
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