My PERFECT Draft

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Yeah, we all have our mocks, but I would have to say, that if we got these three guys in the first three rounds I would be the happiest Cowboys fan ever!

First round: OLB Bobby Carpenter
Second round: FS Ko Simpson
Third round: DT Dusty Dvoraceck

The only thing I wouldn't like, is that it is an all defensive draft. But I'd be alright with that. I think with Owens, Bledsoe, Glenn, Witten, Jones and Barber on board, it makes sense to make our defense as good as possible.

On the second day we could take offensive linemen and wide receivers and hope we get lucky.
 

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My perfect draft:

1) Matt Leinart
2) Reggie Bush
3) AJ Hawk
4) Trade future pick for this pick, to take D'Brick
5) Tye Hill
6) Michael Huff
7) Haloti Ngata

PerfectioN!
 

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whcarm said:
Yeah, we all have our mocks, but I would have to say, that if we got these three guys in the first three rounds I would be the happiest Cowboys fan ever!

First round: OLB Bobby Carpenter
Second round: FS Ko Simpson
Third round: DT Dusty Dvoraceck

The only thing I wouldn't like, is that it is an all defensive draft. But I'd be alright with that. I think with Owens, Bledsoe, Glenn, Witten, Jones and Barber on board, it makes sense to make our defense as good as possible.

On the second day we could take offensive linemen and wide receivers and hope we get lucky.
I like the 1st 2.
 

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Vintage said:
My perfect draft:

1) Matt Leinart
2) Reggie Bush
3) AJ Hawk
4) Trade future pick for this pick, to take D'Brick
5) Tye Hill
6) Michael Huff
7) Haloti Ngata

PerfectioN!
Ha, I like this draft.
 

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My perfect draft:

1) Matt Leinart
2) Reggie Bush
3) AJ Hawk
4) Trade future pick for this pick, to take D'Brick
5) Tye Hill
6) Michael Huff
7) Haloti Ngata

PerfectioN!

I can't believe you don't like Vernon Davis! What kind of draft analyst are you?
 

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In all seriousness

1)Bobby Carpenter
2)Davin Joseph/Charles Spencer
3)Anthony Smith
5)Steve Fifita
6)WR project
7)Maybe another OL project

I wouldn't be at all disappointed with this either....

Trade down for
1)Lawson (get an extra 3rd)
2)Davin Joseph/Charles Spencer
3)Darryn Colledge/Andrew Whitworth
3)Anthony Smith
5)Steve Fifita
....
 

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I can't believe you don't like Vernon Davis! What kind of draft analyst are you?

TE is not a need.

We can address OLB, FS, NT, QB, RB, LT, and a nice CB that I have a fetish for.
 

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In all seriousness

1)Bobby Carpenter
2)Davin Joseph/Charles Spencer
3)Anthony Smith
5)Steve Fifita
6)WR project
7)Maybe another OL project

I wouldn't be at all disappointed with this either....

Trade down for
1)Lawson (get an extra 3rd)
2)Davin Joseph/Charles Spencer
3)Darryn Colledge/Andrew Whitworth
3)Anthony Smith
5)Steve Fifita
....
Kid, Lawson may not even make it to 18. There's no way he's getting past us, much less getting down so far that we could trade down to get him.
 

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Kid, Lawson may not even make it to 18. There's no way he's getting past us, much less getting down so far that we could trade down to get him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah...

I remember people saying Stephen Jackson would never make it to us either. But he did. And we traded down (for someone else, mind you...)
 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah...

I remember people saying Stephen Jackson would never make it to us either. But he did. And we traded down (for someone else, mind you...)
That's why they're call predictions. :rolleyes: You can say you think he'll drop, but rest assured that you're in an extreme minority.
 

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That's why they're call predictions. :rolleyes: You can say you think he'll drop, but rest assured that you're in an extreme minority.

And people who believed Stephen Jackson would drop were in an extreme minority too....

Same with Aaron Rodgers last year.
 

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And people who believed Stephen Jackson would drop were in an extreme minority too....

Same with Aaron Rodgers last year.
What round are we in, in this 12 round bout between you 2? :laugh2:
 

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And people who believed Stephen Jackson would drop were in an extreme minority too....

Same with Aaron Rodgers last year.
I hope you don't gamble. Have you ever heard of being "results oriented" in a predictions market?
 

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I hope you don't gamble. Have you ever heard of being "results oriented" in a predictions market?

Why don't we just get to the point.

Every year, someone falls, someone becomes available that wasn't supposed to be available. Sure, just bec. it happens every year, doesn't necessarily mean it will happen again this year. They are independent events. But, if you are a gambling man, history would suggest someone will fall down the boards in the first round.

That's where the speculation begins. From the minute the first team doesn't take the player "most experts" think they will, it causes a "slide" of players, or a perceived slide in the eyes (bec. maybe, the GM's think differently of a player than the masses do).

Last year's classic example was Aaron Rodger.
The year before, Stephen Jackson and somewhat Kevin Jones.
This year, it could very well be Manny. Or Bobby. Or Kamerion. Or someone else entirely different (as in position).

I think we can agree that Lawson is better suited for OLB in a 3-4. Whether or not you want to argue SOLB vs WOLB right now is irrelevant to the matter.

Cleveland at 12 is the first 3-4 team that could take him (well, within reason).

Depending on if Ngata is available or Bunkley, who they are also high on, they could go OLB. Wimbley, Carpenter, and Lawson - one could go here.

Then, it heads to us. There is the potential (if Cleveland goes with Ngata or Bunkley) that all three could be available to us.)

In the Vikings scheme, Sims, Ryans, Greenway all fit better than any of the LB's we are looking at.

Miami could be looking at a backer, but Saban likes DB's and one could very well be picked up there.

Denver seems a likely destination for a WR. Ravens switched from the 3-4. With Pryce and Suggs at Ends, they have no need for Lawson or Wimbley. Carpenter; maybe. But they too, could look at DT if its available, or OT

Which means, at 18, we may have the strong probability of having both Lawson and Carpenter.

Chargers could potentially use a LB. But their secondary seems to be a much more pressing need.

Chiefs could also go with a corner, since they cut Warfield and McCleon. Otherwise, WR is a possibility.

New England seems likely to be the first team after us to go LB, with San Fran right behind them. However, DeAngelo might be too tempting for NE to pass up on. If we want our choice, we could trade down two spots.

We could recoup our 4th by trading down with KC. KC might do this if they want a WR/CB and are afraid San Diego will take who they want ahead of them.

Otherwise, we have to trade down to 22/23 to gain a 3rd.
 

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Let me explain this more clearly. These are predictions. Predictions are probabilities. Take the multitude of "what ifs" you just stated and place a probability on each one. Then calculate an overall probability. I suspect that even you will come out that it is probable that Lawson will not drop that far.
 

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theogt said:
Let me explain this more clearly. These are predictions. Predictions are probabilities. Take the multitude of "what ifs" you just stated and place a probability on each one. Then calculate an overall probability. I suspect that even you will come out that it is probable that Lawson will not drop that far.

Out of curiousity, where do you see him going? I know you want him here, that much is obvious.... but where do you see him going?
 

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My Dream (emphasis on dream) Draft:

1. Haloti Ngata by some miracle
2. Ko Simpson
3. Maurice Stovall
5. Chris Gocong
6. Drew Olson (just because)
7. Anthony Trucks
 

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whcarm said:
Yeah, we all have our mocks, but I would have to say, that if we got these three guys in the first three rounds I would be the happiest Cowboys fan ever!

First round: OLB Bobby Carpenter
Second round: FS Ko Simpson
Third round: DT Dusty Dvoraceck

The only thing I wouldn't like, is that it is an all defensive draft. But I'd be alright with that. I think with Owens, Bledsoe, Glenn, Witten, Jones and Barber on board, it makes sense to make our defense as good as possible.

On the second day we could take offensive linemen and wide receivers and hope we get lucky.


Those first two choices are what I'm hoping for as well. If we get Carpenter and Ko, I don't care who the cowboys draft the rest of the way, I'll be happy.
 

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Vintage said:
Out of curiousity, where do you see him going? I know you want him here, that much is obvious.... but where do you see him going?


I think the only team in front of us that might draft him is the Cleveland Browns. They were last in sacks in the NFL last year and they desperately need a


WEAKSIDE OUTSIDE LINEBACKER.


So I can see them drafting him if Bunkley and Ngata aren't available.
 
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