My take on Jason Garrett, confessions of a former hater

MichaelWinicki

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Most people that where Garrett "haters" don't/didn't consider the Jerry part of the equation. There are only a very few Head Coaches that could be successful under Jerry.

Parcells got too much attention and caused Jerry to have the need to make his own moves like signing TO. That eliminates all of the big name coaches from being possibilities as Head Coaches that could succeed under Jerry.

Campo and Wade put up no resistance when Jerry wanted to trade away 1st round draft picks for Joey Galloway and Roy Williams. Wade had zero discipline.

Garrett understands the concept of making a decision but making your boss believe that it was his decision. He did that in part by getting Stephen Jones on his side and then getting guys like Will McClay that would actually speak up on personnel matters when Jerry pressured him.

The people that should appreciate Garrett the most are the ones that have been in that situation where they had to make decisions while making their boss believe it was his decisions.

Great post.

And a nicely boiled down view of the head coaching situation in Dallas since Gailey was replaced by Campo.
 

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I share these sentiments. I have a never give up attitude, and I've never given up on Romo and many players around this team. I've defended them to the death against these Philly people. However, JG is the one person involved around the team I never defended, and i was hoping to land a new HC last year. I am however changing my mind. This teams attitude is strong as ever, I credit Jason for that. We all poke fun at the term RKG over the years, but now we get it. This team is full of RKG
 

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I dont consider myself a hater, just a doubter. I never wished for Garrett to fail, just doubted he was cut out to be the Dallas Cowboys head coach.

Seems like its all working out so far.

Feels nice.

Kind of where I have been. A decent HC can be a great HC with the right circumstances. Hopefully that's where we continue from here.
 

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Garrett is learning from his mistakes, just make sure you cover the gunner on special teams. But last week, he let up on the Eagles. He learned, and put the foot to the Colts throat this week. He's learning that you can't be nice in this business.
 

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Most people that where Garrett "haters" don't/didn't consider the Jerry part of the equation. There are only a very few Head Coaches that could be successful under Jerry.

Parcells got too much attention and caused Jerry to have the need to make his own moves like signing TO. That eliminates all of the big name coaches from being possibilities as Head Coaches that could succeed under Jerry.

Campo and Wade put up no resistance when Jerry wanted to trade away 1st round draft picks for Joey Galloway and Roy Williams. Wade had zero discipline.

Garrett understands the concept of making a decision but making your boss believe that it was his decision. He did that in part by getting Stephen Jones on his side and then getting guys like Will McClay that would actually speak up on personnel matters when Jerry pressured him.

The people that should appreciate Garrett the most are the ones that have been in that situation where they had to make decisions while making their boss believe it was his decisions.

The guys that work for me do it. I just don't let them know I know they are doing it. But some times they are right.;)
 

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I give Garrett credit for a good season, but given his past mistakes, I still EXPECT a playoff win before I anoint him and root for an extension. Still hard to swallow that we wasted three seasons while he was learning on the job but if we can continue to move forward I will support him but that starts with a playoff win. I just can't cut him any slack in that regard due to him costing us the playoffs three seasons running. Some people have a short memory but I just can't forget what happened.
 

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Garrett is learning from his mistakes, just make sure you cover the gunner on special teams. But last week, he let up on the Eagles. He learned, and put the foot to the Colts throat this week. He's learning that you can't be nice in this business.

The best thing I saw about yesterday's game was this team played with urgency. They didn't want to leave it up to next week. It's a total change from the last few years.
 

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I'm not sure GM Jones isn't being taught a little lesson by JG. I think between JG and Stephen they both are showing Jerry some light and Jerry has always said he's a listener. So while I discredit Jerry for a lot of wasted years I will credit him a tad at the moment for being a good listener.
I think JG would make a hell of a GM, I have always said that.

JG is showing with the right staff he can be a good walk around coach. I guess that goes with every coach. I'm happy for where we are now but think we took to long to get here. Of course who knows why it took so long, there are so many stories and opinions.
I can't wait to see where we go from here and that doesn't mean just the rest of this season. Great HCs build contenders for at least a few years.

You do know he was responsible for the Felix Jones pick and wanted us to draft a TE in the 1st last year instead of moving down.

Also it was him that stood on the table for Escobar.

I really do not know what you have seen to think this about Garett.
 

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Rushing ypa 4-5+ yards for the last 3-4 years.
It's no secret we abandoned the run.

Same ypa but this year it has come with the d-line stacking the box. We couldn't run through that in previous years. Our yards usually came through smoke and mirror plays like the delayed draw. How confident we're you in previous seasons on a 3rd and 1 run up the middle? Me either.

Tyron Smith has another season under his belt. Frederick is no longer a rookie and we drafted a pro bowl caliber guard. It's no secret that our o-line is much improved.
 

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You do know he was responsible for the Felix Jones pick and wanted us to draft a TE in the 1st last year instead of moving down.

Also it was him that stood on the table for Escobar.

I really do not know what you have seen to think this about Garett.

O line. Jerry couldn't care less about the trenches. That's why we have wasted some of the best talent on offense we have seen in a very long time and will be hard to replace. When was the last "splash" we made since Garrett became HC? It was going to be Johnny Football. Didn't happen.
 

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The best thing I saw about yesterday's game was this team played with urgency. They didn't want to leave it up to next week. It's a total change from the last few years.
This is how you've got to coach. You have to be aggressive, do things that make sense. They decided to load up on the run and blitz the run, so instead of being stubborn and continuing to plow through, they went to the air. Remember this, our run blocking is just as good as our pass blocking.

So we don't necessarily have to just plow along. A couple of those 1st and 10s resulted in 2 touch downs. It was just smart coaching, and more importantly, AGGRESSIVE coaching. He didn't coach scared, Romo was freaking insane yesterday. Reading the defense, looking safeties off, it was unbelievable.
 

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I still don't feel like his offense is very good. He didn't use the middle of the field or use crossing routes or screens. And it didn't help romo out. But JG is a good CEO type coach. Good leader and doesnt micro manage his assistants. He got linehan and rod in here and let's them do their thing.
 

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I still don't feel like his offense is very good. He didn't use the middle of the field or use crossing routes or screens. And it didn't help romo out. But JG is a good CEO type coach. Good leader and doesnt micro manage his assistants. He got linehan and rod in here and let's them do their thing.

I never understood why Garrett was so stubborn with wanting to be OC. There are plenty of great coaches that aren't. Hire the best coaches you can get and then let them do their thing.
 

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I never understood why Garrett was so stubborn with wanting to be OC. There are plenty of great coaches that aren't. Hire the best coaches you can get and then let them do their thing.

There is no doubt he sucked pulling double duty. Perhaps that is the difference this year. He is now truly a walk around coach now. There is nothing wrong with him being a walk around coach.
 

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Same ypa but this year it has come with the d-line stacking the box. We couldn't run through that in previous years. Our yards usually came through smoke and mirror plays like the delayed draw. How confident we're you in previous seasons on a 3rd and 1 run up the middle? Me either.

Tyron Smith has another season under his belt. Frederick is no longer a rookie and we drafted a pro bowl caliber guard. It's no secret that our o-line is much improved.

Stop.
Please stop.
We abandoned the run.
 

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This is how you've got to coach. You have to be aggressive, do things that make sense. They decided to load up on the run and blitz the run, so instead of being stubborn and continuing to plow through, they went to the air. Remember this, our run blocking is just as good as our pass blocking.

So we don't necessarily have to just plow along. A couple of those 1st and 10s resulted in 2 touch downs. It was just smart coaching, and more importantly, AGGRESSIVE coaching. He didn't coach scared, Romo was freaking insane yesterday. Reading the defense, looking safeties off, it was unbelievable.

Being too conservative was a quality that I perceive Garrett to have and don't like. I prefer errors of aggression.

I'm no football savant (barely above a novice if I'm being honest) so perhaps there was a good reason behind what I perceived as being too conservative in past years.

I always thought those controversial calls ("Icing the kicker") were symptoms of being too conservative because iirc, the team had time to try and get a few more yards for a closer kick but then I remember thinking he probably didn't have enough confidence in the pass protection and was afraid Romo would take a sack and lose any shot at a field goal.

Did the Cowboys overachieve to be in position to win the division the three previous years or choke?

I suspect that answer will depend on how one feels about Garrett.
 
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Being too conservative was a quality that I perceive Garrett to have and don't like. I prefer errors of aggression.

I'm no football savant (barely above a novice if I'm being honest) so perhaps there was a good reason behind what I perceived as being too conservative in past years.

I was always thought those controversial calls ("Icing the kicker") were symptoms of being too conservative because iirc, the team had time to try and get a few more yards for a closer kick but then I remember thinking he probably didn't have enough confidence in the pass protection and was afraid Romo would take a sack and lose any shot at a field goal.

Did the Cowboys overachieve to be in position to win the division the three previous years or choke?

I suspect that answer will depend on how one feels about Garrett.

Being a novice also I think he knew we didn't have the right players like an O line to do things different. He had to rely on the stars to get things done.
Sounds weird but that's my take. Bad game time decisions come with on the job training. Just part of what happens when you hire a HC with no experience who was learning from the underwhelming HC Wade Phillips.
 

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You do know he was responsible for the Felix Jones pick and wanted us to draft a TE in the 1st last year instead of moving down.

Also it was him that stood on the table for Escobar.

I really do not know what you have seen to think this about Garett.

so he liked a couple of players ?
 
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