My view on the roster

[Alexander]

That play was a great mismatch by design. They saw 2 LBers on the field, and they came with 3 WRs 2 lined up with Gates on one side. Woodhead goes in motion between WRs and takes Carter completely out of his element. Woodheads off the LOS so theres no way Carter can get up on him, Woodhead is too fast easy score. If anybody thinks a LBer is going to cover a scatback like that is crazy. Timeout shouldve been called and adjusted

Then Woodhead would have just whipped whatever safety we marched out there to match up. There are going to be times where teams are going to stretch the personnel on the field and attack weak areas. You cannot call a timeout each time something like that happens.

Carter really should had help. I think most of those were man to man situations.

 

[Alexander]

Gardner and Bishop will clearly beat out guys like Kearse Hayden and Wilson.

Would certainly hope so if we drafted right.

 

[gimmesix]

Gardner and Bishop will clearly beat out guys like Kearse Hayden and Wilson.

Possibly, but I think people buy into what they haven't seen over what they have. For instance, Hayden has been on NFL rosters and actually started games. We don't know if Gardner and Bishop can even play on this level. They might go the way of most NFL seventh-round picks and disappear from the league very quickly.

I have higher hopes than that, but I don't think anyone can say anything "clearly" about these guys right now, other than they were drafted in the seventh round because no team thought at that point that they were worth taking earlier.

 

[Alexander]

For instance, Hayden has been on NFL rosters and actually started games. We don't know if Gardner and Bishop can even play on this level. They might go the way of most NFL seventh-round picks and disappear from the league very quickly.

Hayden had a very fortunate series of circumstances that helped him. The injuries in camp gave him opportunities. The fact he was one of the few lineman actually able to suit up all season long also helped him. It does not mean he was playing at an especially distinguished level.

 

[xwalker]

Oh, I know he sees him walking around. I just don't think he's got any sense of where a player should be x weeks after microfracture surger v. where Anythony Spencer is x weeks after microfracture surgery. I rely on Broaddus to scout players and talk about. He's not my go-to source for medical opinions.

Statistics put the probability of him returning to form at between 30 and 60 percent depending on exactly how look at them.

 

[Ashwynn]

IMO Gardner, and Boyd are not 7th round and UDFA talents. Gardner dropped because of his injury but he's ready to go. Boyd was the playmaker in Vanderbilt before the whole rape thing, Mathews was the possession WR. And its not like Dallas has all these guys at depth that its impoissible for these guys to beat out. It doesnt matter what you have a starting grade. Dallas isnt going to sit Lawrence. He;s going to start. And out of all the picks i have Martin and Lawrence starting. The rest are depth. And what level and i Imagining them? Because i have them making the 53 man roster thats so far fetched?

Yes i do think Boyd is going to come in and establish himself. He's just really good. IDK if you have ever seen him play.

No doubt some of the 7th rounders might have 3-4-5th round grades and due to issues fell, but still, just cause you got a guy at 250 instead of 120 does not mean hes gunna make the team. How many 3-4-5 rounders have flopped? Its all projections at this point and many here have an unreasonable expectation of lower round picks. I myself have been guilty of this before, I learnt just cause you think a guy should have gone in the 4th and went in the 7th does not make him an all pro or even guarantee a starting job, or even a job. Just saying.

and Outside or Martin I really havent seen any of them play, just the highlight reels, which all look good. I'm hopeful they all pan out, but realistically dont expect half of em to even make the team.

 

[gimmesix]

Hayden had a very fortunate series of circumstances that helped him. The injuries in camp gave him opportunities. The fact he was one of the few lineman actually able to suit up all season long also helped him. It does not mean he was playing at an especially distinguished level.

Didn't say he was, just that he's made an NFL roster and started games. These others may not.

I am hopeful, but I think it's silly to just say seventh-round picks are going to beat out an established player, especially since we've seen pick after pick after pick crash and burn. We're not sure if Lawrence will prove worthy, although his roster spot is guaranteed at least for a year or two.

I guess I'm a believe-it-when-I-see-it kind of guy instead of getting out the "anointing oil."

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Statistics put the probability of him returning to form at between 30 and 60 percent depending on exactly how look at them.

The procedures success rate has improved over what it was even a few years ago so I am more bully on the operation than before but it is still dicey.

Jobber is an MD. I am curious if he knows anything about the state of the procedure.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Didn't say he was, just that he's made an NFL roster and started games. These others may not.

I am hopeful, but I think it's silly to just say seventh-round picks are going to beat out an established player, especially since we've seen pick after pick after pick crash and burn. We're not sure if Lawrence will prove worthy, although his roster spot is guaranteed at least for a year or two.

I guess I'm a believe-it-when-I-see-it kind of guy instead of getting out the "anointing oil."

I know that is how I should view it too but I don't care.

Ken Bishop or bust!!!

 

[OhSnap]

I really think that whole thing is overblown mostly because of how Carter reacted to it. He had good coverage but Rivers made two phenomenal throws to beat Carters single coverage and inside leverage. Unless Carter could increase his vert by about 2 feet so he could turn his head, locate the ball, jump and make a skying twisiting acrobatic deflection then he wasn't going to get to that ball.

The next weeks Denver, Philadelphia and Washington tried to do it the following weeks and he cleaned it up or really those QBS could not make that deep throw that Rivers did.

I think if Carter wouldn't have acted like he was 12 years old then the issue never would have been blow into this proportion.

I started a thread after the Giants game because I thought at that point the whole secondary was mentally toast before that missed opportunity to touch the TE while he was down. He was so fried that he didn't even think about the tackle. I don't think he's faced that kind of adversity before where his physical talents have been stretched so he really doesn't have much experience on how to react to gettin beat. I have no doubt he's gonna have a good career I just wonder if he's topped out or if he's gonna be that easy to beat mentally again this year.

 

[LatinMind]

Statistics put the probability of him returning to form at between 30 and 60 percent depending on exactly how look at them.

When Bruce Smith came back from his he was ready to go in the offseason. I guess Spencer rehab isnt up to par with Smiths.

 

[LatinMind]

No doubt some of the 7th rounders might have 3-4-5th round grades and due to issues fell, but still, just cause you got a guy at 250 instead of 120 does not mean hes gunna make the team. How many 3-4-5 rounders have flopped? Its all projections at this point and many here have an unreasonable expectation of lower round picks. I myself have been guilty of this before, I learnt just cause you think a guy should have gone in the 4th and went in the 7th does not make him an all pro or even guarantee a starting job, or even a job. Just saying.

and Outside or Martin I really havent seen any of them play, just the highlight reels, which all look good. I'm hopeful they all pan out, but realistically dont expect half of em to even make the team.

Whos guaranteeing anything? If you think Lawrence isnt starting then you haent been paying attention to how this team works. That and the guy was basically hand picked by Marinelli.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I started a thread after the Giants game because I thought at that point the whole secondary was mentally toast before that missed opportunity to touch the TE while he was down. He was so fried that he didn't even think about the tackle. I don't think he's faced that kind of adversity before where his physical talents have been stretched so he really doesn't have much experience on how to react to gettin beat. I have no doubt he's gonna have a good career I just wonder if he's topped out or if he's gonna be that easy to beat mentally again this year.

That is an interesting take. It makes sense that he has probably been the best player on the field for most of his playing days.

It's the main reason why I don't think its a good idea to have the 'nobody loses' policy in youth sports. Kids need to learn how to handle that type of thing and it should be a great teaching opportunity. You can tell that a lot of kids nowadays just aren't used to losing because of how they react when they actually do.

Enough digression. Thanks for the insight.

 

[LatinMind]

The procedures success rate has improved over what it was even a few years ago so I am more bully on the operation than before but it is still dicey.

Jobber is an MD. I am curious if he knows anything about the state of the procedure.

Do you know of any player recently who has successfully returned from that surgery? The last guy i heard bout having that injury was Terry Glenn and it made him retire.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Whos guaranteeing anything? If you think Lawrence isnt starting then you haent been paying attention to how this team works. That and the guy was basically hand picked by Marinelli.

On Cowboys Break Lindsay, the blonde lady that does TV stuff for them, said she interviewed Marinelli and that the plan at first was to work him into 2nd and 3rd down packages that he was already cooking up for him.

They are going to showcase him but I do not think they are going to expose him to getting mauled in the run game until he is ready. At 250 and that lean build and no bubble, he needs to get with Woicik.

As much as they gush about Crawford, I imagine that you are looking at Crawford and Selvie out the gate unless Spencer is ready to go at season start.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Do you know of any player recently who has successfully returned from that surgery? The last guy i heard bout having that injury was Terry Glenn and it made him retire.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ramblings/2007/microfracture-nfl

Stunningly, some of the most successful microfracture patients seem to be some of the earliest. The available evidence points to Hall of Famer Dan Marino having microfracture in 1986, just three years into his Hall of Fame career. Though Marino had not missed a start the previous two seasons, he had undergone multiple operations on his left knee after injuring it at Pitt. More surgeries followed, but Marino was able to play on the knee for 17 seasons. Rod Woodson apparently underwent a microfracture procedure in April 1991. Despite rehab and a holdout that lasted until late August, he was in the starting lineup for the Steelers' opener and played 13 more years in the NFL.

The most successful 1990s return from microfracture might be much more obscure, however. Lepsis, a tight end at Colorado, suffered a knee injury in the 1997 Senior Bowl and underwent microfracture shortly thereafter. Lepsis hooked on with the hometown Broncos, was moved to tackle, and missed only one start between 1999 and 2005. (When Lepsis ran into knee problems last year, it was his other knee; he tore his ACL and underwent microfracture on that knee as well.)

Obviously age isn't a positive factor for returning from microfracture, but several players 30 or older have made successful comebacks, led by Bruce Smith. The long-time Bills defensive end had microfracture surgery in February 1998 at age 34. He returned to play six more seasons and earn his final trip to the Pro Bowl. Tom Nalen underwent the procedure in conjunction with repairing a torn ACL at age 31 in November 2002 and has started every Denver game since returning the following season.

Fifteen players have undergone a microfracture in their 30s. Five of them failed to return to the field, but eight of the 21 players to undergo a microfracture at 25 or younger have never returned. Younger players have averaged more games after surgery -- 33.7 to 26.3, not counting players who are just returning this season.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Hayden had a very fortunate series of circumstances that helped him. The injuries in camp gave him opportunities. The fact he was one of the few lineman actually able to suit up all season long also helped him. It does not mean he was playing at an especially distinguished level.

Saying you were a starting DL last year on the Cowboys isn't any kind of feather to stick in your hat outside of Selvie. Losing the DL's due to injuries couldn't have happened at a better time for Hayden.

 

[Ashwynn]

Whos guaranteeing anything? If you think Lawrence isnt starting then you haent been paying attention to how this team works. That and the guy was basically hand picked by Marinelli.

Lawrence will start cause we have no one else, we let our starter go. Not saying thats a bad thing, but it is an obvious situation Lawrence will eitehr grow into or bomb big time. I dont watch enough college ball to know, I watch whats on tv, usually Longhorns here in DFW and Notre Dame when they are on (a lot here in DFW, more so than SMU or TCU (our local teams)) . To tell you the truth, I never heard of any of our picks except Martin, being an Irish fan, I know him well.

But I have been burnt by the "OMG we got a bunch of 3rd rounders in the 7th and UDFA. Awaksu ansuh whatever his name is, Justin Berriault, Matt Johnson, They never turn in to anything except the very rare Selvie situation. So dont mind me while I brood upon the current lot, and by all means carry on partying like we just won the SB, I find the optimism good and at times need it. I will root for them all to become all pro, but when it does not happen, I wont be disappointed, just more meh.

 

[Fletch]

He has, but im not sure he bought into Kiffins ways. Thats bad enough but if the team thought it was a bigger issue he wouldnt be on the team this yr i believe. I think he has a bounce back yr.

Carter is a cat I'm going to be looking at all season. This dude WILL have a bounce-back season. I just believe he's better than most think. The dude has talent and it will show in 2014 and beyond. No way am I giving up on him after one lowly year.

 

[texbumthelife]

I don't know if its effort....he seemed more lost than lazy last season.

Agreed. He seemed to be overthinking it.