MySa Blog: Tashard Choice on T.O. and possibly starting w/audio post #37

[Chocolate Lab]

I still find it incredible that there are still people who think TO is just this innocent happy go lucky guy who just happened to get backstabbed by the coaches and the starting QB of the three teams that he has played for.

I mean, he must be the unluckiest WR in the history of the NFL, to play with Garcia, Mcnabb, Romo and that sorry excuse for a man Witten, I mean, poor guy, what a bunch of no good unprofessional teammates they are.

Spare me.

What is so hard about TO's MO to understand, he divides teams, period. That is what he does. He gets hold of some young, impressionable players, takes them under his wing and poisons them with his self serving conspiracy theories. Now, to them, he is a great teammate, and he probably is, but that is what makes him such a horrible locker room presence. He has a magnetic personality, he just chooses to use it to tear teams apart. Think of him as Michael Irvin's evil twin.

I remember after the second Washington game, the most important win of the season, the team was back on the right track, Tampa Bay, here we come. Then I turn on the TV and I see TO with Deion Sanders on NFL Network wearing a horrible sweater and throwing Jason Garret under the bus. I mean. Why? Who would do that? Now?

I loved it when they brought TO here, he was a great WR for the Cowboys, I did not know what to think when he was let go, but now, I could not be happier that he is gone, and if Tony Romo had something to do with that, I just have one thing to say to him.

Thank you very much.

:clap2:

 

[DallasEast]

I still find it incredible that there are still people who think TO is just this innocent happy go lucky guy who just happened to get backstabbed by the coaches and the starting QB of the three teams that he has played for.

I mean, he must be the unluckiest WR in the history of the NFL, to play with Garcia, Mcnabb, Romo and that sorry excuse for a man Witten, I mean, poor guy, what a bunch of no good unprofessional teammates they are.

Spare me.

What is so hard about TO's MO to understand, he divides teams, period. That is what he does. He gets hold of some young, impressionable players, takes them under his wing and poisons them with his self serving conspiracy theories. Now, to them, he is a great teammate, and he probably is, but that is what makes him such a horrible locker room presence. He has a magnetic personality, he just chooses to use it to tear teams apart. Think of him as Michael Irvin's evil twin.

I remember after the second Washington game, the most important win of the season, the team was back on the right track, Tampa Bay, here we come. Then I turn on the TV and I see TO with Deion Sanders on NFL Network wearing a horrible sweater and throwing Jason Garret under the bus. I mean. Why? Who would do that? Now?

I loved it when they brought TO here, he was a great WR for the Cowboys, I did not know what to think when he was let go, but now, I could not be happier that he is gone, and if Tony Romo had something to do with that, I just have one thing to say to him.

Thank you very much.

:clap2:

Bold 1: I don't go as far back as some, but during my 32 years as a Cowboys fan, I have witnessed the retirements, trades, etc., of a number of players. Never have I seen as much teeth-gnashing over one player who, truthfully, did so very little during his career as a Dallas Cowboy, in comparison to those who came before him, than Terrell Owens. To describe the entire reaction as incredulous would be, in fact, vastly understating it.

Bold 2: That's the best analogy I've heard or read yet.

Bold 3: The answers are a) bloated egotism, b) very, very few players, but without any doubt Terrell Owens based upon his past, and c) *see b.

 

[Mash]

I dont think people think Owens was innocent......I think some think that Owens was used a a scapegoat.....thats all.

Owens is Owens....I thought he matured as a player here and I was actually surprised because my perception was he was some kind of monster the media wanted us to believe.....I enjoyed Owens time here and thought he reaally helped this team.

I dont know releasing Owens was a good move or bad....Owens was a difference maker and did keep Defenses honest.....he will be missed.

That being said.....maybe it was time for his departure....we do have younger players that need to play and become the focus of this offense.

What I find funny tho is......when a player comes out and says something that maybe supports Owens in any way.......the response by many is "shut up"

but if someone makes a statement that Owens was a cancer or insinuate it....then its all good because that was Owens MO.

I honestly think this has nothing to do with Owens vs Witten...or Owens vs Romo.....I think the issue was between the WR's and Garrett ....especially Owens vs Garrett IMHO.

I dont know if the drama is over here.....we all know the circus hasnt left town....others will point fingers here.....we already witnessed it last year when it didnt take Roy Williams long to complain.

 

[Idgit]

I dont think people think Owens was innocent......I think some think that Owens was used a a scapegoat.....thats all.

Owens is Owens....I thought he matured as a player here and I was actually surprised because my perception was he was some kind of monster the media wanted us to believe.....I enjoyed Owens time here and thought he reaally helped this team.

I dont know releasing Owens was a good move or bad....Owens was a difference maker and did keep Defenses honest.....he will be missed.

That being said.....maybe it was time for his departure....we do have younger players that need to play and become the focus of this offense.

What I find funny tho is......when a player comes out and says something that maybe supports Owens in any way.......the response by many is "shut up"

but if someone makes a statement that Owens was a cancer or insinuate it....then its all good because that was Owens MO.

I honestly think this has nothing to do with Owens vs Witten...or Owens vs Romo.....I think the issue was between the WR's and Garrett ....especially Owens vs Garrett IMHO.

I dont know if the drama is over here.....we all know the circus hasnt left town....others will point fingers here.....we already witnessed it last year when it didnt take Roy Williams long to complain.

I see where you're going with most of this. I think RW was actually pretty good about how he was used last year, considering how little he was a part of any game plan. He got sucked in to everything at the end of the year, but under the circumstances, he and Crayton both did a good job of mostly staying quiet about their circumstances.

 

[isawoj]

I have no problem with anything Choice said.

In fact, if Jerry cleared the decks for Romo to be the leader, then Romo needs to step up and lead.

If he won't or can't, then if Choice can get everyone focused and motivated and help the team win, then so be it.

I guarantee you that Choice will do nothing to hurt this team.

 

[Idgit]

Specially in December right? when Choice was 1 of a handful of playing actually making an effort while the rest where on cruise control

It's funny how this forum whines about accountability yet the very players/coaches that needs to be held accountable gets a pass cause we found a scapegoat to take the blame for them and any player who suggests anything other then blame the scapegoat should be cut :laugh1:

Not specially in December, but, yeah, Tony Romo is a better player at his position any month of the year. Ask the team if they thought TR was on cruise control against the Eagles in the last game of the year.

I'm not stepping into that steaming pile of 'scapegoating' except to say that that it's hogwash.

 

[Vintage]

After reading comments like that....

Makes you wonder how much credibility Romo has in the locker room. There has to be other players wondering the very same thing, too.

It will be interesting to see if this team can gel together and put it behind them.... or do they let it consume them, and we fall apart.

At least we know one thing. This season will be interesting, regardless of what happens.

 

[Idgit]

After reading comments like that....

Makes you wonder how much credibility Romo has in the locker room. There has to be other players wondering the very same thing, too.

It will be interesting to see if this team can gel together and put it behind them.... or do they let it consume them, and we fall apart.

At least we know one thing. This season will be interesting, regardless of what happens.

Here's an example of a TC quote omitted from that same interview:

"It's a quarterback-driven league. He's got to bring us home. We've got his back, though.”

I don't think we can get a temperature check on this team just by listening to what reporters choose to report on a given topic. Ironically, there are a lot of people in the Owens-was-scapegoated group falling for the latest version of a media-hyped non-story. Non-story, at least, until we fans give it legs and legitimize the nonsense.

 

[Vintage]

Here's an example of a TC quote omitted from that same interview:

"It's a quarterback-driven league. He's got to bring us home. We've got his back, though.”

I don't think we can get a temperature check on this team just by listening to what reporters choose to report on a given topic. Ironically, there are a lot of people in the Owens-was-scapegoated group falling for the latest version of a media-hyped non-story. Non-story, at least, until we fans give it legs and legitimize the nonsense.

Yeah, its tough to tell what the players are actually saying versus what they actually mean.

Not sure if we got rid of Owens too late.... or whether we shouldn't have gotten rid of Owens at all.

We'll get a clearer picture as the season unfolds, I guess.

 

[Clove]

Choice pretty much saying players believe Romo and Witten were responsible for TO's release..... Duh TC.

Yeah, when players decide who's in and who's out, you know who's running the organization.

Could someone please make me a sig pic with JERRY IS A CLOWN on it?

 

[dcfanatic]

Here's an example of a TC quote omitted from that same interview:

"It's a quarterback-driven league. He's got to bring us home. We've got his back, though.”

I don't think we can get a temperature check on this team just by listening to what reporters choose to report on a given topic. Ironically, there are a lot of people in the Owens-was-scapegoated group falling for the latest version of a media-hyped non-story. Non-story, at least, until we fans give it legs and legitimize the nonsense.

That was not the exact quote.

This was.

One thing is certain: The loss of Owens puts immense pressure on Romo to lead the Cowboys to the playoffs. Asked if he and his teammates have faith in Romo, Choice gave the quarterback a seemingly lukewarm endorsement.

“(Owner) Jerry (Jones) wanted to make everything Romo-friendly, so we have to have faith in him,” Choice said. “He has got to bring us home. It's a quarterback-driven league. He's got to bring us home. We've got his back, though.”

So Choice has to have faith in Romo because Jerry wants him to?

And don't tell me that isn't a legit question based on his statement.

You are saying the reporters are leaving stuff out. But then pull half the quote and try to use it to defend Choice.

Funny. That's just funny.

 

[thechosen1n2]

You tell me how you go about separating ability at their position from how they play the game before I try to answer that.

No, wait, I'll answer it anyway: Romo's a better player than Choice, period.

i didnt say how they play, i said how they approach the game. You guys are sensitive...as if romo has no faults. I asked that question because as a QB i recognize that romo has Elite abilities, and choice would be a pretty good to good running back in this league (but not elite), but watch choice pregame speech at GT, or watch Tebow (and i hate proppin that overrated dude) after a loss, and I would take a team full of good players with those attitudes, than a team full of elite players with an if we win great but if we lose is still all good attitude.

Its like this, i have one son that is "crazy smart", and he is naturally smarter than my youngest son, BUT my youngest son tries harder than my older son. They both are honor roll students but my youngest sons grades are still better. The point is more talented does not always mean better.

and a team full of romos is not a gimme over a team full of choices.

 

[thechosen1n2]

I dont think people think Owens was innocent......I think some think that Owens was used a a scapegoat.....thats all.

Owens is Owens....I thought he matured as a player here and I was actually surprised because my perception was he was some kind of monster the media wanted us to believe.....I enjoyed Owens time here and thought he reaally helped this team.

I dont know releasing Owens was a good move or bad....Owens was a difference maker and did keep Defenses honest.....he will be missed.

That being said.....maybe it was time for his departure....we do have younger players that need to play and become the focus of this offense.

What I find funny tho is......when a player comes out and says something that maybe supports Owens in any way.......the response by many is "shut up"

but if someone makes a statement that Owens was a cancer or insinuate it....then its all good because that was Owens MO.

I honestly think this has nothing to do with Owens vs Witten...or Owens vs Romo.....I think the issue was between the WR's and Garrett ....especially Owens vs Garrett IMHO.

I dont know if the drama is over here.....we all know the circus hasnt left town....others will point fingers here.....we already witnessed it last year when it didnt take Roy Williams long to complain.

expressed perfectly. i like TO but i dont think he is perfect. I like romo (not perfect) and witten, and I bashed people from both sides who were screamin for romos head and TOs head at the end of the season, but still im accused of rushing to get an 81 bills jersey and yada yada. I am just disappointed that he was used as a blame for this season, a that cowboy fans act as if that was accurate to make themselves feel better for this team underachieving.

 

[Bleu Star]

i didnt say how they play, i said how they approach the game. You guys are sensitive...as if romo has no faults. I asked that question because as a QB i recognize that romo has Elite abilities, and choice would be a pretty good to good running back in this league (but not elite), but watch choice pregame speech at GT, or watch Tebow (and i hate proppin that overrated dude) after a loss, and I would take a team full of good players with those attitudes, than a team full of elite players with an if we win great but if we lose is still all good attitude.

Its like this, i have one son that is "crazy smart", and he is naturally smarter than my youngest son, BUT my youngest son tries harder than my older son. They both are honor roll students but my youngest sons grades are still better. The point is more talented does not always mean better.

and a team full of romos is not a gimme over a team full of choices.

Excellent post. Oh... & just in case u wanted to watch the TC pre-game speech again it's in my sig. That guy is going to turn up a leader somewhere. Hopefully it's in Big D.

 

[slick325]

I dont think people think Owens was innocent......I think some think that Owens was used a a scapegoat.....thats all.

Owens is Owens....I thought he matured as a player here and I was actually surprised because my perception was he was some kind of monster the media wanted us to believe.....I enjoyed Owens time here and thought he reaally helped this team.

I dont know releasing Owens was a good move or bad....Owens was a difference maker and did keep Defenses honest.....he will be missed.

That being said.....maybe it was time for his departure....we do have younger players that need to play and become the focus of this offense.

What I find funny tho is......when a player comes out and says something that maybe supports Owens in any way.......the response by many is "shut up"

but if someone makes a statement that Owens was a cancer or insinuate it....then its all good because that was Owens MO.

I honestly think this has nothing to do with Owens vs Witten...or Owens vs Romo.....I think the issue was between the WR's and Garrett ....especially Owens vs Garrett IMHO.

I dont know if the drama is over here.....we all know the circus hasnt left town....others will point fingers here.....we already witnessed it last year when it didnt take Roy Williams long to complain.

Very good post. :bravo:

 

[28 Joker]

The house isn't cleaned out, yet. Choice is a young pup. He's safe. He will fall in line, imo.

 

[Doomsay]

I'm glad everyone on the team is on the same page and looking forward to the '09 season.

 

[Idgit]

i didnt say how they play, i said how they approach the game. You guys are sensitive...as if romo has no faults. I asked that question because as a QB i recognize that romo has Elite abilities, and choice would be a pretty good to good running back in this league (but not elite), but watch choice pregame speech at GT, or watch Tebow (and i hate proppin that overrated dude) after a loss, and I would take a team full of good players with those attitudes, than a team full of elite players with an if we win great but if we lose is still all good attitude.

Its like this, i have one son that is "crazy smart", and he is naturally smarter than my youngest son, BUT my youngest son tries harder than my older son. They both are honor roll students but my youngest sons grades are still better. The point is more talented does not always mean better.

and a team full of romos is not a gimme over a team full of choices.

I don't think we really see things all that differently. I just don't agree with your conclusion that Choice's attitude is any better than Romo's based off a a couple of youtube clips.

People knock Romo's approach all the time, but the fact is he's gotten steadily better with practice, is called a gym rat by coaches, studies hard and is always looking to improve his game. He's a natural competitor and an elite player at his position. Choice is a good player with intangibles, but he's just not in Romo's league (yet).

I'm not sure what about realizing that qualifies me as sensitive. I've documented in many threads where I think Romo has made big mistakes and where he can legitimately improve. He's not perfect. He's just really good.

 

[Clove]

I dont think people think Owens was innocent......I think some think that Owens was used a a scapegoat.....thats all.

Owens is Owens....I thought he matured as a player here and I was actually surprised because my perception was he was some kind of monster the media wanted us to believe.....I enjoyed Owens time here and thought he reaally helped this team.

I dont know releasing Owens was a good move or bad....Owens was a difference maker and did keep Defenses honest.....he will be missed.

That being said.....maybe it was time for his departure....we do have younger players that need to play and become the focus of this offense.

What I find funny tho is......when a player comes out and says something that maybe supports Owens in any way.......the response by many is "shut up"

but if someone makes a statement that Owens was a cancer or insinuate it....then its all good because that was Owens MO.

I honestly think this has nothing to do with Owens vs Witten...or Owens vs Romo.....I think the issue was between the WR's and Garrett ....especially Owens vs Garrett IMHO.

I dont know if the drama is over here.....we all know the circus hasnt left town....others will point fingers here.....we already witnessed it last year when it didnt take Roy Williams long to complain.

Maybe it's true, 1 person was to blame for our horrible franchise,fan base,incompetent coaching,and horrible play on the field. So from here out, we should go to the super bowl. I'll be watching closely.

 

[Oh_Canada]

expressed perfectly. i like TO but i dont think he is perfect. I like romo (not perfect) and witten, and I bashed people from both sides who were screamin for romos head and TOs head at the end of the season, but still im accused of rushing to get an 81 bills jersey and yada yada. I am just disappointed that he was used as a blame for this season, a that cowboy fans act as if that was accurate to make themselves feel better for this team underachieving.

Nice post. I think this team is out of excuses and new leaders must emerge starting with the QB...even if he thinks losing isn't the wost thing in the world.