Myth: The Same Old Cowboys

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Pass protection was not a main issue? Penalties? Turnovers? The lack of pressure? You can't just cherry pick one problem and say it's the "main problem" and that everything is the same. Sorry, you would have to respond to the nine points above to have an argument.

Pass protection was actually pretty good... but then again, what difference does it make when your throwing three yard outs, when you need nine yards. Our TOs happened during the 4th and none of the TOs resulted in but 3 points for the Chiefs. The impact of them was not that significant. Our lack of pressure was partly due to the fact Alex Smith plays conservative and the game plan of the Chiefs was with that in mind, plus they have a great front line.
 

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Romo has one turnover in 2 games because he has made protecting it a priority... We have VERY FEW penalties. Our pass protection has been great. Dez knows the system now, and TWill is already better than Ogletree. No, I think you missed the point Khiladi

Romo has 2 turnovers in two games. An int and a fumble. I do agree our pass protection has exceeded my expectations.
 

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Well you weren't paying attention, then. One similarity does not mean the team is the same. Please see the 9 differences to the one similarity.
There is far more than 1 similarity based on the Chiefs game...by my count:

1. Lack of explosive plays down the field
2. Romo making a critical mistake
3. Defense can't get a stop late
4. Defense doesnt force any turnovers
5. No run game
6. Can't defend the middle of the field
7. Blown assignments on blitzes/stunts
8. Poor playcalling, particularly in the red zone
9. No draws/screens to keep the defense off balance

I dont disagree that the team has made some progress, but I would still say that this looks a LOT like like the same ol Cowboys. That bubble screen to Williams on third and goal from the 9 or whatever, was so Cowboys is freaking hurt to watch. The screen at the end of the game and the failure to even attempt another play was ridiculously Cowboy-esque. Completely abandoning the run game was utterly Cowboys.
 

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Completely agree. And no matter how bad JG was, Romo always gave us a shot, IMO. I still thought we had a chance with him throwing the football.....until now. I almost feel like the time Aikman threw 4 or 5 picks against NY in the 2000 season and he was roasted by the fans. It was obvious that day that the hits had taken their toll and his skills had eroded, something that Aikman made reference to in the post-game.

I'm not trying to jump the gun here but Romo is not the same QB we've seen in the recent past. And that's going to be the biggest issue with this team if that's true because we could find a quality head coach much easier than a franchise QB and now we're married to Romo for foreseeable future. Hopefully it's his ribs and not a decline in his physical skills but I'm starting to have my doubts.

I disagree vehemently, Romo has papered over deeper problems associated with Garrett's offense for far too long. Last year he threw for more yards than he ever has in order to correct the deficiencies in the running game. A 500 yard drop in production on the ground corrected by his arm behind a sieve-like offensive line. He should not be throwing the ball 40 plus times per game week in, week out.
 

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Really good job, OP. I agree with everything you said. We've had a couple big plays on offense, but not as many as I'd have expected, honestly. That, and the red zone problems are perplexing. But, for a 1-1 team, I agree that a lot appears to have changed so far early this season. ST has looked really good, too, and we passed a big test on defense against a power running team yesterday.

Except at the end of the game when we absolutely needed a stop and they ran us over
 

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The biggest similarity--and the one that's most noticeable--is yet another game whose outcome hinges on one possession in the final few minutes. Even Jerry Jones has conceded, when a team is playing in so many extremely close games, it's odd of winning are about 50/50. The Cowboys have played in two such contests this year, and they're 1-1. Since Garrett was officially hired as coach, they're 17-17. If the Cowboys are ever going to break out of the .500 doldrums, they'll need to figure out how to put distance on the scoreboard between them and their opposition.

Whether the issue is one of talent or poor coaching, I don't know.
 

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Romo has one turnover in 2 games because he has made protecting it a priority... We have VERY FEW penalties. Our pass protection has been great. Dez knows the system now, and TWill is already better than Ogletree. No, I think you missed the point Khiladi

The pass protection was good.
 

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I disagree vehemently, Romo has papered over deeper problems associated with Garrett's offense for far too long. Last year he threw for more yards than he ever has in order to correct the deficiencies in the running game. A 500 yard drop in production on the ground corrected by his arm behind a sieve-like offensive line. He should not be throwing the ball 40 plus times per game week in, week out.

I don't disagree and I believe I stated as much. But I think it's becoming obvious he has some physical limitations and he lacks the zip on his throws. He never had a strong arm to begin with but it was good enough, he threw a decent deep ball and could make all the throws. I just haven't seen that lately.
 

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There is far more than 1 similarity based on the Chiefs game...by my count:

1. Lack of explosive plays down the field
2. Romo making a critical mistake
3. Defense can't get a stop late
4. Defense doesnt force any turnovers
5. No run game
6. Can't defend the middle of the field
7. Blown assignments on blitzes/stunts
8. Poor playcalling, particularly in the red zone
9. No draws/screens to keep the defense off balance

I dont disagree that the team has made some progress, but I would still say that this looks a LOT like like the same ol Cowboys. That bubble screen to Williams on third and goal from the 9 or whatever, was so Cowboys is freaking hurt to watch. The screen at the end of the game and the failure to even attempt another play was ridiculously Cowboy-esque. Completely abandoning the run game was utterly Cowboys.

Your list is so mish-mash, untrue, or repetitive.

1) We had a bunch of explosive plays downfield last year. So maybe less this year, but still different. And this is way too early to tell.
2) Romo didn't make a critical mistake in either game. He hasn't had one of those games where he clearly blew it or cost the team. Plus, Romo is the same. How can we expect that to be different? That's ridiculous. Garrett still has red hair, too. If Romo stays the same, and we fix other issues (penalties, turnovers, pressure, pass protection), we'll be better.
3) The Defense got a late stop in game 1. A couple of them. HUGE ones! And except for a bad call, they did in game 2 as well. Plus, the defense never gave up late stops last year because WE ALWAYS PLAYED FROM BEHIND. Again, this lack of playing behind is a big change so far this year.
4) Um, the defense is averaging three per game. I know they all happened in one game but this is not an argument for you yet. If you throw in pre-season, the evidence says you will end up being dead wrong here.
5) No run game -- gave you that already.
6) We didn't get killed in the middle of the field yesterday. The D played good. And they won the Giants game for us, besides keeping us in this one. Again, this is too early to proclaim "Can't." BTW, the entire NFL has some problems stopping the pass, in case you didn't notice.
7) Show me blown blitzes or stunts. In a new scheme, they are remarkably few. Pressure has been great. Great Run D, too. This is a definite improvement over last year so far.
8) Maybe poor playcalling in red zone, although I think you are basing this on one play call or one drive from this game. Again, the reason for this is we can't run. So, it's a big thing we haven't improved, but the many other things that are different are still different.
9) Which is it? Do we not throw down field or do we do it too much? DO we suck at screens and should stop throwing them (as many have said after the failures last game) or do we need to throw more? The over-reactors usually contradict themselves when you pay enough attention. Plus, this is a duplicate -- you already mentioned poor play calling. I don't know enough about what plays were called to judge this one. It's too subjective.

Facts are -- we have more pressure, better pass protection, more turnovers, more first half leads, less playing from behind, LESS PENALTIES THAN THE TWO TEAMS WE PLAYED AGAINST, we showed more in a tough week 2 road game, and Romo has been playing more conservative, less firing down field, less careless ball management. Plus we have yet to give up a big special teams play, I seem to recall 2 big ones made us lose in Seattle. There is AT LEAST as much evidence that things have changed. And it's way too early to tell for sure. But so far, my eyes see a different team. And the facts are on my side. Not the over-reacting hyperbole.
 

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The biggest issue with the Cowboys is they're still not buying into what Garrett is trying to sell.
 

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You fail to miss the key-point...

Despite the correction of the alleged issues that held this JGs glorious offense back, from:

1. Tony Romo has to protect the football
2. Dallas needs to have more commitment to the running game
3. Dallas offense needs to correct penaltes
4. Dallas needs to have better pass protection
5. The WRs now need time to learn the system

The offense is still having the SAME ISSUE, i.e. it can't score in the red-zone and it's way too easy to defend.



i like this.
 

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i like this.

Why do you like that? Only one out of four is remotely true. Penalties have been down. Pass protection is better. Romo has protected the football (only one turnover on him in two games). Our WR do know the routes (I still think Dez2013>Dez2012 and TWill>Ogletree).
 

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This board relishes these moral victories.

Let me clarify -- I don't want a moral victory. If we end up 8-8 I will be right on the "same team" bandwagon. I just think I have seen a different team so far and wonder what people are looking at. The main similarity is the lack of run game, which is huge and could undermine everything else. But so many things look different and even improved. Pass rush (definitely). turnovers (probably). Pass protection (definitely). Penalties (definitely). Special teams (definitely). Romo not trying to do it all (definitely). Not playing from behind and getting behind too much early (definitely).
 

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Should I even mention that we also never went up tempo last year except in 2 minute situations, even though everybody cried for it. We've done it in both games now. And we scored points both times.
 

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This board relishes these moral victories.


FANS need something to relish when their team loses 50% of the time. You know things aren't going well when FANS are looking for a moral victory in a loss to a team that was 2-14 last season.
 

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The whole “same team” word games is silly. Of course the team is different, you have some different players, different coaches, different schemes, different dynamics. Bottom line is, after all that, the Cowboys still find ways to lose winnable games. “Same team” or not, who gives a crap, end results are still the same. A team that underachieves.
 

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The whole “same team” word games is silly. Of course the team is different, you have some different players, different coaches, different schemes, different dynamics. Bottom line is, after all that, the Cowboys still find ways to lose winnable games. “Same team” or not, who gives a crap, end results are still the same. A team that underachieves.

Well I agree this year -- we underachieved against the Chiefs. Any one of about 7 plays goes different and we win, maybe easily. Last year? We overachieved. With so many injuries and that Oline. We definitely did. And we didn't underachieve getting blasted by the Seahawks. We got whipped by a better team. I think anyone who doesn't see a more tight and focused team is not looking. We lost a close, tough game. It's the NFL. It happens. But the way we lost was not because of being the worst team (Seattle, Washington twice, the Saints, Bears, Ravens, Falcons in 2012) or because we blew it. We played a tough, close game and just didn't quite finish. We let it slip away, yes, but due to a missed execution here and there more than boneheaded plays.

So no, this team hasn't underachieved yet. They covered the spread in both games. Maybe they will underachieve eventually. But it sure looks like a different team.
 

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Well I agree this year -- we underachieved against the Chiefs. Any one of about 7 plays goes different and we win, maybe easily. Last year? We overachieved. With so many injuries and that Oline. We definitely did. And we didn't underachieve getting blasted by the Seahawks. We got whipped by a better team. I think anyone who doesn't see a more tight and focused team is not looking. We lost a close, tough game. It's the NFL. It happens. But the way we lost was not because of being the worst team (Seattle, Washington twice, the Saints, Bears, Ravens, Falcons in 2012) or because we blew it. We played a tough, close game and just didn't quite finish. We let it slip away, yes, but due to a missed execution here and there more than boneheaded plays.

So no, this team hasn't underachieved yet. They covered the spread in both games. Maybe they will underachieve eventually. But it sure looks like a different team.

Huh? You started the post saying the Cowboys underachieved against the Chiefs and ended it by saying the Cowboys didn’t underachieve. No offense, but i don’t think you know what you think about this team.
 
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