Nate Newton on KTBB, strongly recommend you listen to podcast

[cowboyjoe]

very good podcast, if you want to know about the cowboys offensive line, how they should play and what is wrong listen, strongly recommend it;




http://www.ktbb.com/cowboys/nate-newton/

 

[dcfanatic]

Here's Big Nate talking about the Cowboys handling of the Offensive Line over the last few seasons...

Nate talks with David Smoak

If Andy Reid and his staff are so great at finding offensive line talent then how come they drafted Maz Jean-Gilles and Winston Justice in recent years and neither are starting for them?

Sometimes you find a great player and then sometimes the player doesn't pan out.

But acting like the Eagles have it all figured out is just Nate hating on the Cowboys.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Here's Big Nate talking about the Cowboys handling of the Offensive Line over the last few seasons...

Nate talks with David Smoak

If Andy Reid and his staff are so great at finding offensive line talent then how come they drafted Maz Jean-Gilles and Winston Justice in recent years and neither are starting for them?

Sometimes you find a great player and then sometimes the player doesn't pan out.

But acting like the Eagles have it all figured out is just Nate hating on the Cowboys.

It is true, the Eagles made poor choices on both!!

 

[DBOY3141]

It is true, the Eagles made poor choices on both!!

Nate needs to go back to selling drugs. I'll take the Cowboys drafts over the Eagles during the last 5 years any day. All these former players are hating on the boys because they let TO go.

note to Nate: This is journalism, not the barber shop.

 

[jobberone]

While I understand drafts are very important Philly has been kicking our *** so long I can't understand who uses the draft to keep score. They generally keep the score another way.

 

[Paniolo22]

MJG was considered the top guard prospect that year, plus they got him in the 3rd. Not a terrible pick IMHO and wouldn't have been pissed if we had done the same.

 

[DBOY3141]

While I understand drafts are very important Philly has been kicking our *** so long I can't understand who uses the draft to keep score. They generally keep the score another way.

Most of their best players were drafted more than 5 years ago. McNabb, Westbrook, Dawkins, Tra Thomas, Sheldon Brown, Lito Sheppard.

I don't know if I would say they have been kicking our ***. I think we've split the last few years. I just think Philly's drafting has been a tad over rated lately.

 

[cowboyjoe]

While I understand drafts are very important Philly has been kicking our *** so long I can't understand who uses the draft to keep score. They generally keep the score another way.

I disagree, to me nate was saying, name 2 backup offensive linemen that the cowboys have drafted in the last 7 years. You cant, only one worthwhile is Gurode and he is starting.

Just like the buffalo bills got jason peters as a TE, the eagles drafted offensive linemen better than the cowboys. Remember when parcells wanted andrews, the og, well the eagles jumped in front of us in the draft and selected him. Its true the last 2 offensive linemen the eagles drafted giles and Justice were bad picks, the jury is still out on giles though.

At same time, though, the eagles have drafted other offensive linemen, like the other og, hermandez something like that, he came from a small college, but he has played decent.

I think some of you are overlooking at what nate was saying, nate was saying, just like the cowboys drafted hatcher, and signed bowen de, and drafted ratliff, you need to slowly groom offensive linemen in the draft, so when your players do get hurt, your ready with those players

At the same time, just like todd archer said the other day; wade phillips wont play them. Joe Berger was the backup for OT and OG and he didnt play a down on the offensive line, why? So, did McQuistan barely play and doug free.

There were games when doug free or mcquistan or berger could have played, like in the ram game in 4th quarter or the giant game up in new york, or the eagle game.

I point to one thing to back up what im saying too, about not playing these players. wade said at one point, i dont trust tashard choice, but we saw the results when he played. Wade also said i dont trust felix jones on kickoff returns, but when miles austin got hurt, wade had to play those players.

when a head coach gives his team extra days off, when he gives them a day off like after the arizona game that i am sure you all admit was a sloppy game, then how in the world can those backup players get practice time when yuou give them the day off.

Thats on wade and jason garrett for not working those players in training camp. Oh excuse me i forgot, Gee! We are running camp cupcake and wade doesnt believe in hitting in practice the first 25 days.
Is that right DC?

 

[DBOY3141]

I disagree, to me nate was saying, name 2 backup offensive linemen that the cowboys have drafted in the last 7 years. You cant, only one worthwhile is Gurode and he is starting.

Just like the buffalo bills got jason peters as a TE, the eagles drafted offensive linemen better than the cowboys. Remember when parcells wanted andrews, the og, well the eagles jumped in front of us in the draft and selected him. Its true the last 2 offensive linemen the eagles drafted giles and Justice were bad picks, the jury is still out on giles though.

At same time, though, the eagles have drafted other offensive linemen, like the other og, hermandez something like that, he came from a small college, but he has played decent.

I think some of you are overlooking at what nate was saying, nate was saying, just like the cowboys drafted hatcher, and signed bowen de, and drafted ratliff, you need to slowly groom offensive linemen in the draft, so when your players do get hurt, your ready with those players

At the same time, just like todd archer said the other day; wade phillips wont play them. Joe Berger was the backup for OT and OG and he didnt play a down on the offensive line, why? So, did McQuistan barely play and doug free.

There were games when doug free or mcquistan or berger could have played, like in the ram game in 4th quarter or the giant game up in new york, or the eagle game.

I point to one thing to back up what im saying too, about not playing these players. wade said at one point, i dont trust tashard choice, but we saw the results when he played. Wade also said i dont trust felix jones on kickoff returns, but when miles austin got hurt, wade had to play those players.

when a head coach gives his team extra days off, when he gives them a day off like after the arizona game that i am sure you all admit was a sloppy game, then how in the world can those backup players get practice time when yuou give them the day off.

Thats on wade and jason garrett for not working those players in training camp. Oh excuse me i forgot, Gee! We are running camp cupcake and wade doesnt believe in hitting in practice the first 25 days.
Is that right DC?

I think most of us agree that Wade sucks as a Head Coach, but he doesn't have final say over the draft. Yes, the Cowboys suck at drafting O line, but they do pretty well with RB/TE/DL/CB. You can't be great at everything. It all starts and stops with a good HC and a good QB. We have one of the two. Hopefully after this year, we get a real HC. I just wish Parcells would have stayed to see some of these guys mature a little more (Romo/Witten/D Ware/James/Barber).

 

[cowboyjoe]

its like bob lily said in an interview to him, the players arent ready for hitting, are they physical sure, but there is a big difference in being physical and being hit and getting used to being hit in training camp.

Oh, i forgot again we are running camp cupcake and camp marshmellow, so we dont wear out the players, or run their legs off of them, like wade said during the middle of the year, i am saving their legs, for what for gosh sakes? they sure didnt make the playoffs did they.

and the players sure cant get ready when they are sitting on the bench can they? i fault wade and jason garrett for that, as well as jerry jones

 

[Chocolate Lab]

No team rotates their OL like they do their DL, and for good reason. Why would we play backups just to play them if they aren't better than the starters?

And what starter is so bad that he demands to be replaced anyway?

 

[jobberone]

Most of their best players were drafted more than 5 years ago. McNabb, Westbrook, Dawkins, Tra Thomas, Sheldon Brown, Lito Sheppard.

I don't know if I would say they have been kicking our ***. I think we've split the last few years. I just think Philly's drafting has been a tad over rated lately.

Well if you look at the last ten+ years vs our record against them since we came into the league then you'll understand why I feel the way I do.

 

[jobberone]

I disagree, to me nate was saying, name 2 backup offensive linemen that the cowboys have drafted in the last 7 years. You cant, only one worthwhile is Gurode and he is starting.

Just like the buffalo bills got jason peters as a TE, the eagles drafted offensive linemen better than the cowboys. Remember when parcells wanted andrews, the og, well the eagles jumped in front of us in the draft and selected him. Its true the last 2 offensive linemen the eagles drafted giles and Justice were bad picks, the jury is still out on giles though.

At same time, though, the eagles have drafted other offensive linemen, like the other og, hermandez something like that, he came from a small college, but he has played decent.

I think some of you are overlooking at what nate was saying, nate was saying, just like the cowboys drafted hatcher, and signed bowen de, and drafted ratliff, you need to slowly groom offensive linemen in the draft, so when your players do get hurt, your ready with those players

At the same time, just like todd archer said the other day; wade phillips wont play them. Joe Berger was the backup for OT and OG and he didnt play a down on the offensive line, why? So, did McQuistan barely play and doug free.

There were games when doug free or mcquistan or berger could have played, like in the ram game in 4th quarter or the giant game up in new york, or the eagle game.

I point to one thing to back up what im saying too, about not playing these players. wade said at one point, i dont trust tashard choice, but we saw the results when he played. Wade also said i dont trust felix jones on kickoff returns, but when miles austin got hurt, wade had to play those players.

when a head coach gives his team extra days off, when he gives them a day off like after the arizona game that i am sure you all admit was a sloppy game, then how in the world can those backup players get practice time when yuou give them the day off.

Thats on wade and jason garrett for not working those players in training camp. Oh excuse me i forgot, Gee! We are running camp cupcake and wade doesnt believe in hitting in practice the first 25 days.
Is that right DC?

I remind myself the big picture although the devil is often in the details. Just ask yourself how many CC games and playoff wins we have since Reid has been there vs our own record.

If you want to find little areas of concern or excellence to pick apart I will participate with the debate but I'm not going to keep score over it.

I hate the Eagles as much as anyone here. And I hate the way they've owned us lately. I think Reid has a lot to do with that.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Well if you look at the last ten+ years vs our record against them since we came into the league then you'll understand why I feel the way I do.

thats generally what happens when you make the playoffs and draft at the bottom of the draft;

to a point what you have to do is move up in the draft like the eagles did when they jumped in front of us to take andrews the big OG.

or years ago when the 49ers jumped in front of the cowboys and drafted jerry rice;

just like in the early 90's the cowboys traded back up into the first round and took emmit smith;

after generally the 17th pick or so, in first round the talent level drops off to another tier of rated players, to stay ahead of the game so to speak, you have to trade up

i tried to make this point in a post a few days ago; when the cowboys traded, got ed too tall jones, then traded craig morton and got randy white, then traded in 77 and got tony dorsett, that kept dallas in contention in the late 70's and early 80's. I think that is what is missing on this cowboys team now, impact players taken high in the draft;


just like in the early 90's, the cowboys had the first pick with aikman, already had michael irvin, then they traded back up for first overall pick and got russell maryland, emmitt smith was taken 17th year after aikman; another high pick that year with russell maryland was alvin harper, taken 14th overall too and remember kevin smith cb was taken high in the first round too
just my thoughts;

 

[silverbear]

While I understand drafts are very important Philly has been kicking our *** so long

The Boys are 2-2 against the Iggles the last 2 years... WOW, what an ***-kicking...

 

[jobberone]

The Boys are 2-2 against the Iggles the last 2 years... WOW, what an ***-kicking...

LOL. Well my perspective is a tad bit longer.

 

[cowboyjoe]

The Boys are 2-2 against the Iggles the last 2 years... WOW, what an ***-kicking...

only thing i will say about the *** kicking, is that the eagles did do just that in the last game of the season;

 

[jobberone]

thats generally what happens when you make the playoffs and draft at the bottom of the draft;

to a point what you have to do is move up in the draft like the eagles did when they jumped in front of us to take andrews the big OG.

or years ago when the 49ers jumped in front of the cowboys and drafted jerry rice;

just like in the early 90's the cowboys traded back up into the first round and took emmit smith;

after generally the 17th pick or so, in first round the talent level drops off to another tier of rated players, to stay ahead of the game so to speak, you have to trade up

i tried to make this point in a post a few days ago; when the cowboys traded, got ed too tall jones, then traded craig morton and got randy white, then traded in 77 and got tony dorsett, that kept dallas in contention in the late 70's and early 80's. I think that is what is missing on this cowboys team now, impact players taken high in the draft;


just like in the early 90's, the cowboys had the first pick with aikman, already had michael irvin, then they traded back up for first overall pick and got russell maryland, emmitt smith was taken 17th year after aikman; another high pick that year with russell maryland was alvin harper, taken 14th overall too and remember kevin smith cb was taken high in the first round too
just my thoughts;

cowboyjoe, I'm speaking in generalities. You can pick your data and make it say what you want. And I'm not arguing about any specific position. My point is while its fine to argue what you wish, why keep score over who has drafted the best OL or whatever the last few years.

Whatever the Eagles are doing, they are doing it better than us since the mid 90s.

 

[cowboyjoe]

cowboyjoe, I'm speaking in generalities. You can pick your data and make it say what you want. And I'm not arguing about any specific position. My point is while its fine to argue what you wish, why keep score over who has drafted the best OL or whatever the last few years.

Whatever the Eagles are doing, they are doing it better than us since the mid 90s.

jobberone, i agree with what you saying, i think you misunderstood me, i was trying to say what nate newton said, that the cowboys havent drafted wisely in the offensive line and it hurt us last year, may hurt us this year too, but hopefully not;

to me, nate newton is an offensive guard that has played the game and he knows what he sees on the field.

even nate said mcquistan wasnt getting it done, he would let the defensive linemen in training camp beat him with the same play defensive stunt over and over, that a good offensive linemen shouldnt let that happen

and at same time, nate said that doug free has something to him, but the cowboys werent putting him on the field;

 

[jobberone]

jobberone, i agree with what you saying, i think you misunderstood me, i was trying to say what nate newton said, that the cowboys havent drafted wisely in the offensive line and it hurt us last year, may hurt us this year too, but hopefully not;

to me, nate newton is an offensive guard that has played the game and he knows what he sees on the field.

even nate said mcquistan wasnt getting it done, he would let the defensive linemen in training camp beat him with the same play defensive stunt over and over, that a good offensive linemen shouldnt let that happen

and at same time, nate said that doug free has something to him, but the cowboys werent putting him on the field;

I understood you. I'm not saying anything against you. It's fine to debate anything. If I weren't upset over the Eagles kicking our *** so much the last decade plus I wouldn't point it out. Believe me it's not something I'm proud about. Kinda like shooting me in the knee then me having to limp around with it. I'll be happy when Reid retires or stops winning esp against us.