NCAA rules Oklahoma must forfeit '05 season

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Posted on Wed, Jul. 11, 2007

NCAA rules Okla. must forfeit '05 season

By MURRAY EVANS
Associated Press Writer

OKLAHOMA CITY -- The Oklahoma football program must forfeit its wins from the 2005 season and will lose two scholarships for the 2008-09 and 2009-10 school years.

The penalties, announced Wednesday by the NCAA, stem from a case involving two players, including the Sooners' starting quarterback, who were kicked off the team for being paid for work they had not performed at a Norman car dealership.

The Sooners went 8-4 and beat Oregon in the Holiday Bowl to end the 2005 season. Records from that season involving quarterback Rhett Bomar and offensive lineman J.D. Quinn must be vacated, the NCAA said, and coach Bob Stoops' career record will be amended to reflect the forfeitures, dropping it from 86-19 in eight seasons to 78-27.

Oklahoma also will have two years of probation added to an earlier penalty, extending the Sooners' probation to May 23, 2010.

Those sanctions are in addition to those already self-imposed by Oklahoma, which has banned athletes from working at the car dealership until at least the 2008-09 academic year and has moved to prevent the athletes' supervisor at the dealership, Brad McRae, from being involved with the university's athletics program until at least August 2011.

Oklahoma also will reduce the number of football coaches who are allowed to recruit off campus this fall. The Sooners also dismissed Bomar, Quinn and walk-on Jermaine Hardison from the team.

"Although this case centered on a few violations involving three student-athletes, the committee finds this case to be significant and serious for several reasons," the NCAA report said, noting the length of time of the violations and the fact that Oklahoma had appeared before the committee in April 2006 regarding violations in its men's basketball program.

On Aug. 3 - the day before the Sooners began preseason practice - Stoops dismissed Bomar and Quinn from the team after the university determined they had been paid for work not performed at Big Red Sports and Imports. That led to a subsequent NCAA investigation.

The committee found that Oklahoma "demonstrated a failure to monitor" the employment of several athletes, including some football players who worked during the academic year. The NCAA said that failure led to the university not detecting NCAA rules violations.

During the investigation, the university disputed that allegation, arguing that the NCAA should applaud, not penalize, its efforts to root out violations and noted that NCAA president Myles Brand told one news outlet that the university "acted with integrity in taking swift and decisive action" in the case.

Both Bomar and Quinn lost a season of eligibility. Bomar has been ordered by the NCAA to pay back more than $7,400 in extra benefits to charity, while Quinn was told to pay back more than $8,100. Both players transferred to Division I-AA schools - Bomar to Sam Houston State and Quinn to Montana - where they can resume their careers this season.

Oklahoma officials also appeared before the Committee on Infractions in April 2006 following an investigation into hundreds of improper recruiting phone calls by former basketball coach Kelvin Sampson's staff.

Oklahoma escaped major sanctions in that case, as the NCAA Committee on Infractions found the university guilty of a "failure to monitor," a less severe ruling than "lack of institutional control," which had been recommended by the NCAA's enforcement staff.

The committee moved Oklahoma's self-imposed probation so it would begin in May 2006 and end in May 2008. The NCAA also issued a public reprimand and censure but otherwise accepted the university's self-imposed sanctions, which included reductions in scholarships, recruiting calls and trips and visits to the school by prospective recruits.

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Wow, that's rough.

What a joke that USC continues to slide by without any consequences. :puke:
Rhett Bomar was a piker compared to Reggie Bu$h.
 

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03EBZ06;1549038 said:

The Sooners went 8-4 and beat Oregon in the Holiday Bowl to end the 2005 season. Records from that season involving quarterback Rhett Bomar and offensive lineman J.D. Quinn must be vacated, the NCAA said, and coach Bob Stoops' career record will be amended to reflect the forfeitures, dropping it from 86-19 in eight seasons to 78-27.


I'm not sure if this is accurate. I think they may treat the wins as "never having happened" which would make the record 78-19. Basically their 2005 record will read as 0-4, not 0-12.

I'm not 100% sure about this, but that's what it looks like from what I've heard today.

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I'm now 100% sure about this. :D
 

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Sooners lose scholarships, forfeit '05 wins
Associated Press, Updated 12 minutes ago

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) - The Oklahoma football program must vacate its wins from the 2005 season and will lose two scholarships for the 2008-09 and 2009-10 school years.

The penalties, announced Wednesday by the NCAA, stem from a case involving two players, including the Sooners' starting quarterback, who were kicked off the team for being paid for work they had not performed at a Norman car dealership.

The Sooners went 8-4 and beat Oregon in the Holiday Bowl to end the 2005 season. Records from that season involving quarterback Rhett Bomar and offensive lineman J.D. Quinn must be vacated, the NCAA said, and coach Bob Stoops' career record will be amended to reflect the vacated wins, dropping it from 86-19 in eight seasons to 78-19.

Oklahoma also will have two years of probation added to an earlier penalty, extending the Sooners' probation to May 23, 2010.

Those sanctions are in addition to those already self-imposed by Oklahoma, which has banned athletes from working at the car dealership until at least the 2008-09 academic year and has moved to prevent the athletes' supervisor at the dealership, Brad McRae, from being involved with the university's athletics program until at least August 2011.

Oklahoma also will reduce the number of football coaches who are allowed to recruit off campus this fall. The Sooners also dismissed Bomar, Quinn and walk-on Jermaine Hardison from the team.

"Although this case centered on a few violations involving three student-athletes, the committee finds this case to be significant and serious for several reasons," the NCAA report said, noting the length of time of the violations and the fact that Oklahoma had appeared before the committee in April 2006 regarding violations in its men's basketball program.

On Aug. 3 — the day before the Sooners began preseason practice — Stoops dismissed Bomar and Quinn from the team after the university determined they had been paid for work not performed at Big Red Sports and Imports. That led to a subsequent NCAA investigation.

The committee found that Oklahoma "demonstrated a failure to monitor" the employment of several athletes, including some football players who worked during the academic year. The NCAA said that failure led to the university not detecting NCAA rules violations.

During the investigation, the university disputed that allegation, arguing that the NCAA should applaud, not penalize, its efforts to root out violations and noted that NCAA president Myles Brand told one news outlet that the university "acted with integrity in taking swift and decisive action" in the case. Both Bomar and Quinn lost a season of eligibility. Bomar has been ordered by the NCAA to pay back more than $7,400 in extra benefits to charity, while Quinn was told to pay back more than $8,100. Both players transferred to Division I-AA schools — Bomar to Sam Houston State and Quinn to Montana — where they can resume their careers this season.

Oklahoma officials also appeared before the Committee on Infractions in April 2006 following an investigation into hundreds of improper recruiting phone calls by former basketball coach Kelvin Sampson's staff.

Oklahoma escaped major sanctions in that case, as the NCAA Committee on Infractions found the university guilty of a "failure to monitor," a less severe ruling than "lack of institutional control," which had been recommended by the NCAA's enforcement staff. The committee moved Oklahoma's self-imposed probation so it would begin in May 2006 and end in May 2008. The NCAA also issued a public reprimand and censure but otherwise accepted the university's self-imposed sanctions, which included reductions in scholarships, recruiting calls and trips and visits to the school by prospective recruits
 

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Oklahoma Sooner homers to make excuses in 5...4...3...2...

Texas Longhorn homers to start acting a fool in 5...4...3...2...
 

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Danny White;1549042 said:
Wow, that's rough.

What a joke that USC continues to slide by without any consequences. :puke:
Rhett Bomar was a piker compared to Reggie Bu$h.


The NCAA doesn't kill a Golden Goose. It waits till the blush has worn off a little and then it imposes sanctions. This way, they get there cake and eat it too. USC's time is coming but it won't arrive until they have sufficiantly ceased making enourmous amounts of money for the NCAA.
 

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What does that mean for the teams they played in 2005 other than a correction to their record? Did either of the suspended players have a major role in the win? Don't really follow the Sooners so I was just curious.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1549055 said:
Oklahoma Sooner homers to make excuses in 5...4...3...2...

Texas Longhorn homers to start acting a fool in 5...4...3...2...

A&M fans to start laughing in 5...4...3....2....
 

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Why the hell doesn't the NCAA authorize athletes to get paid and be done with it? College rodeo cowboys get to keep the prize money they win and business majors get to keep whatever money they work for, why not athletes? Isn't one of the points of college to learn how to make a living?

I guess I just don't understand. but then, I also don't understand why athletes who get a free education seldom seem to get educated. I guess partying is hard work but somebody's gotta do it or the job just won't get done.

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BrAinPaiNt;1549055 said:
Oklahoma Sooner homers to make excuses in 5...4...3...2...

Texas Longhorn homers to start acting a fool in 5...4...3...2...

:laugh2: :bow:
 

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notherbob;1549066 said:
Why the hell doesn't the NCAA authorize athletes to get paid and be done with it? College rodeo cowboys get to keep the prize money they win and business majors get to keep whatever money they work for, why not athletes? Isn't one of the points of college to learn how to make a living?

I guess I just don't understand. but then, I also don't understand why athletes who get a free education seldom seem to get educated. I guess partying is hard work but somebody's gotta do it or the job just won't get done.

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This was for work NOT done.

Oh, and because it would be unfair for recruiting that is why.

"Hey Bobby, I can get you a job paying 15k and you only have to work 1 hr a week down at Billy Bobs car dealership"
 

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USC better pray that they don't get slapped with sactions like this. :eek:
 

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aikemirv;1549078 said:
This was for work NOT done.

Oh, and because it would be unfair for recruiting that is why.

"Hey Bobby, I can get you a job paying 15k and you only have to work 1 hr a week down at Billy Bobs car dealership"

This is exactly right. I think it was Billy Bob's dealership in question.

:)
 

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notherbob;1549066 said:
Why the hell doesn't the NCAA authorize athletes to get paid and be done with it? College rodeo cowboys get to keep the prize money they win and business majors get to keep whatever money they work for, why not athletes? Isn't one of the points of college to learn how to make a living?

I guess I just don't understand. but then, I also don't understand why athletes who get a free education seldom seem to get educated. I guess partying is hard work but somebody's gotta do it or the job just won't get done.

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Because the term student-athlete must exist or the NCAA becomes professional. Universities would not be able to justify it.

If anyone's interested...Murray Sperber's "Beer and Circus" is a great book. Talks pretty much about this.
 

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Future 585;1549098 said:
Because the term student-athlete must exist or the NCAA becomes professional. Universities would not be able to justify it.

If anyone's interested...Murray Sperber's "Beer and Circus" is a great book. Talks pretty much about this.

I would like to see players get some sort of allowance but out right paying them no, this is not pro football and in the meantime if you’re on a scholarship that in and of itself is valuable (depending on what you do with it)
 

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From what I've been reading, the NCAA investigation of USC is being slowed by the fact that there is also an FBI investigation going on of the Bush incident.

So I guess the Feds are holding on to some evidence and won't turn it over to the NCAA until their investigation is completed. Additionally, it's keeping USC from cooperating with the NCAA.

Remember, Oklahoma self-reporteded these violations, which probably sped up the prosecution process.

Ironically, if the NCAA "vacated" USC's 2004 and 2005 wins, could that possibly result in Oklahoma being the 2004 national champs? We were the #2 team going into a National Championship game that (when vacated) was never played. It'd probably go to Auburn or nobody, but you never know!
 

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Doomsday101;1549101 said:
I would like to see players get some sort of allowance but out right paying them no, this is not pro football and in the meantime if you’re on a scholarship that in and of itself is valuable (depending on what you do with it)

Scholarships are payment enough. They are getting essentially 20+ thousand a year and don't have to pay for anything...ever. It's ludacris as it is giving them an allowance would be a horrible idea.
 
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