Neat info on Wade Phillips

[adbutcher]

I think that's the issue.

There's a difference between being disciplined and having the crap beat out of you.

I'm sorry that you had the crap beat out of you.

I never had the crap beat out of me and when I was disciplined, although I didn't like it one bit, I never felt victimized. I am a product of a strong disciplinary upbringing and had I not been brought up that way, it is a strong possibility that I would be buried with my dead childhood friends or lockup with the ones that are locked up. Spare the rod...

The kids that I have been dealing with for the last two years lack discipline and can't handle failure in any form. Unfortunately, the majority of them will be burdens on society instead of assets, but I digress.

Wade is typical of most coaches from his era, they kicked butt and took names. They use to run the crap out of you and if that was insufficient they would put the wood on your rear end. It wasn't an assault but you can't leave kids to their own devices and some times a stern talking to just doesn't cut it.

 

[Chief]

What's the difference in the amount of beating you give a kid?

You answered your own question below.

I can see giving a small child a little swat with your hand to let them know you're serious - before they possess the mental capacity to reason on things. But once they develop that ability, hitting them is just lazy parenting.

You used the word "beating" above, then used the words "little swat" later. That's the difference.

Certainly, some parents go overboard and that's very unfortunate.

But we'll have to agree to disagree on whether there's a place for this type of controlled discipline.

 

[adbutcher]

I'd like to paddle his daughter........she's a bad girl. Giggidy

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Hitting children with what amounts to a weapon is not "discipline".

I agree many of today's youths lack any sort of discipline, but if you can't raise a child, and discipline them without using what amounts to assault (i.e. if you did it to anyone BUT your own child you would be arrested for it) then maybe you don't deserve to have children.

Just curious, but since you're doling out all of the parenting advise here, I was just wondering how many kids you have.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Wade Phillips

In high school he was the starting quarterback and middlelinebacker

I wonder how many thousands of twinkies ago that was.

 

[superpunk]

You answered your own question below.



You used the word "beating" above, then used the words "little swat" later. That's the difference.

Certainly, some parents go overboard and that's very unfortunate.

But we'll have to agree to disagree on whether there's a place for this type of controlled discipline.

I don't think I answered my own question. I just said the only scenario I can see it doing any good is with a child whose mental capacities are not developed enough to listen to reason - then more primitive readjustments can serve a purpose, even protecting a child who wants to touch a stove but needs to learn that he isn't allowed, but isn't old enough for you to explain to him why he shouldn't.

I just think things like that should go the way of racism and smoking around children. Yeah, it was cool in the 50s. But we know better now.

 

[adbutcher]

I don't think I answered my own question. I just said the only scenario I can see it doing any good is with a child whose mental capacities are not developed enough to listen to reason - then more primitive readjustments can serve a purpose, even protecting a child who wants to touch a stove but needs to learn that he isn't allowed, but isn't old enough for you to explain to him why he shouldn't.

I just think things like that should go the way of racism and smoking around children. Yeah, it was cool in the 50s. But we know better now.

Just curious, but since you're doling out all of the parenting advise here, I was just wondering how many kids you have.

Just in case you missed it.

 

[jterrell]

He was a tough guy once.

If he wanted to be now the NLFPA would just overrule him.

He gets blamed for the weenie fines and whatnot but they are at the NFLPA max.

Add in that Jerry wants his say in all that and Wade isn't exactly being given 'free reign' so to speak

BTW, hardest licks I ever got in my life were from my jr high football coach.
He caught me talking in class and called in into the hallway and seriously throttled me, lol. Still my favorite coach I ever had at that, lol.

 

[jterrell]

But we know better now.

Do we?

 

[superpunk]

Just in case you missed it.

I didn't miss it. I just didn't understand the relevance, so I ignored it. (It's an ad hominem fallacy - if you can't attack the argument, find something personal to attack)

Is there some sort of ratio wherein the more kids you have, the more you understand why it's important and beneficial to assault them?

 

[adbutcher]

I didn't miss it. I just didn't understand the relevance, so I ignored it. (It's an ad hominem fallacy - if you can't attack the argument, find something personal to attack)

Is there some sort of ratio wherein the more kids you have, the more you understand why it's important and beneficial to assault them?

Ok, none. Gotcha. No need for the additional hot air, when a 0 to 10 would have been sufficient.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Ok, none. Gotcha. No need for the additional hot air, when a 0 to 10 would have been sufficient.

I knew what the answer was going to be, just wanted him to say it.

I'm not advocating child abuse or beatings or anything like that, but by the same token, advise on how to raise children from someone who has none is **** on a boar.

 

[superpunk]

Ok, none. Gotcha. No need for the additional hot air, when a 0 to 10 would have been sufficient.

Absolutely there was. The point being made was that you can't understand why it's important to be able to hit your kids if you don't have any. Aside from being nonsense, it is also debate fallacy. (For instance we can be "qualified" to talk about the NFL, even if we've never had anything to do with it)

Hit another man with a piece of wood because he won't listen to you - it's assault.

Hit a child with a piece of wood because he won't listen to you - well, that's just good ol' fashioned parenting. Kids don't get enough of it nowadays.

Chief was right - agree to disagree. I can't have a rational conversation about this with anyone who thinks hitting kids for any reason (especially with the aid of a weapon - what? Your adult hand isn't good enough? You need to employ wood? Really?) is a good idea. I understand alot of people cherish this right, and passionately defend their right to hit their kids. Whatever. I can't get behind that movement.

 

[Rackat]

Thanks for the info on Wade. I really hope he gets over the hump this year and gets not only a playoff win, but a Super Bowl win as well. He is limited by the NFLPA, Jerry Jones, and the players he has.

As an aside to the other conversation: It's always amazed me how the nerves in the backside are directly related to the learning center in the brain. For every action there is a consequnce.

Child throws temper tantrum.
Parent A: Stop little Johnny.
Parent B: Stop or get a paddling.
Parent A: Come on Johnny, stop it.
Parent B: OK, you were given an opportunity to change your behaviour. *paddles child*
Parent A: OK, Johnny, I'll buy you the toy if you stop.

Lesson: One child learns that bad behavior is not acceptable while the other child learns bad behavior is rewarded.

 

[adbutcher]

If he wanted to be now the NLFPA would just overrule him.

He gets blamed for the weenie fines and whatnot but they are at the NFLPA max.

Add in that Jerry wants his say in all that and Wade isn't exactly being given 'free reign' so to speak

BTW, hardest licks I ever got in my life were from my jr high football coach.
He caught me talking in class and called in into the hallway and seriously throttled me, lol. Still my favorite coach I ever had at that, lol.

Not surprising. However, if you leave it up to punk he would probably argue that he is your favorite because of Stockholm syndrome.

My old high DC was a very good man, that I still keep in touch with to this very day, just like many of my ex teammates. This guy help raised 2 daughters (both are physicians), 1 son (is a judge), and countless other players that have very productive careers.

Fast forward to the near present and I had a student (from a very affluent family) who missed a meeting with his PO and spent last Christmas in jail, yet the chairmen of my department keep telling me that I suppose to encourage him to have better attendance. Now if this kid won't show up to see his PO (risking incarceration), then what in the hell can I tell him to make him come to class? If you let a kid raised themselves or try to use intelligent rationalizations to appeal to their intelligence, you are setting them up for failure.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Absolutely there was. The point being made was that you can't understand why it's important to be able to hit your kids if you don't have any. Aside from being nonsense, it is also debate fallacy. (For instance we can be "qualified" to talk about the NFL, even if we've never had anything to do with it)

Hit another man with a piece of wood because he won't listen to you - it's assault.

Hit a child with a piece of wood because he won't listen to you - well, that's just good ol' fashioned parenting. Kids don't get enough of it nowadays.

Chief was right - agree to disagree. I can't have a rational conversation about this with anyone who thinks hitting kids for any reason (especially with the aid of a weapon - what? Your adult hand isn't good enough? You need to employ wood? Really?) is a good idea. I understand alot of people cherish this right, and passionately defend their right to hit their kids. Whatever. I can't get behind that movement.

There's a big difference between us talking football and you spouting advise on raising children.

You see, none of us are in the NFL right now nor have any of us played or coached in the NFL, as far I know. Therefore, we're all in the same boat.

However, if you or I were in a discussion about quarterbacking in the NFL and Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman were all in the room, I would tend to shut up and listen to their opinions before spouting my own.

There really is a big difference between theories and practice.

 

[superpunk]

Thanks for the info on Wade. I really hope he gets over the hump this year and gets not only a playoff win, but a Super Bowl win as well. He is limited by the NFLPA, Jerry Jones, and the players he has.

As an aside to the other conversation: It's always amazed me how the nerves in the backside are directly related to the learning center in the brain. For every action there is a consequnce.

Child throws temper tantrum.
Parent A: Stop little Johnny.
Parent B: Stop or get a paddling.
Parent A: Come on Johnny, stop it.
Parent B: OK, you were given an opportunity to change your behaviour. *paddles child*
Parent A: OK, Johnny, I'll buy you the toy if you stop.

Lesson: One child learns that bad behavior is not acceptable while the other child learns bad behavior is rewarded.

Do you understand that this a false argument?

There are more options than (a) hitting the kid and (b) buying the kid a toy.

 

[superpunk]

There's a big difference between us talking football and you spouting advise on raising children.

You see, none of us are in the NFL right now nor have any of us played or coached in the NFL, as far I know. Therefore, we're all in the same boat.

However, if you or I were in a discussion about quarterbacking in the NFL and Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman were all in the room, I would tend to shut up and listen to their opinions before spouting my own.

In your scenario - a child molester would also be more qualified to talk about what it takes to raise children than me - so long as he has children of his own. It's a ridiculous argument, and a poor debate tactic.

 

[Rackat]

Do you understand that your advise is crap?

 

[superpunk]

Do you understand that your advise is crap?

Solid point. I don't know what I was thinking. Hitting kids is awesome.