Neosapien 23's rebuild the roster

neosapien23

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Dallas has too many high salaries for mediocre talent. I think it is now time to blow this thing up. Now I am not advocating cutting everyone just for the sake of starting over, but I would cut big names as a means of freeing up future cap space.

Cut: DeMarcus Ware: He doesn't have it anymore. He is actually a liability back there and the team should really consider starting Everson Griffin to see if he could bring more from the DE position. No team will trade for him. He was a great player for many years, and I appreciate the effort. It is time to move on though.

Miles Austin: Unlike Ware, I hate this guy. Got paid and then mailed it in. No one will trade for him, should have been cut this last offseason when Dallas would have saved a lot of money.

Kyle Orton: He is a high paid backup. Free up the money and let him go.

Brandon Carr - Not worth 11 million dollars a year. He is much better than he has looked this year, but corners are not worth getting that much money. The only reason Scandrick isn't listed here as well is because he only makes a 4.7 million a year. If Carr would agree to take a pay cut and make about 6 million a year, I would keep him. Players do not like paycuts though and he will refuse. Let him go and make him a June 1 cap cut.

Let go:

Jason Hatcher: Too old for the money. Let him go and test the FA market. Wish him nothing but the best and appreciate everything he did this year.

Anthony Spencer: Even if Dallas can get him cheap, do not do it. He is old. Time to stop playing old guys, this is a young man's game now. Older players get hurt much more often in today's NFL and the only old people should be the QBs as they can still play when older.

Trade:

Jason Witten: I love Jason Witten. Hell of a player, but the team needs to free up money and move forward. I would trade him to another team because he is still valuable. I think he would net a 4th rounder from a contending team like the Patriots. I would consult with him and try and let him choose the team he wants to go to out of respect for everything he has given this organization.

Doug Free: He has played much better than I thought he would. He only has another year left on his contract. I would not extend him because that did not work out so well last time. He might get this team a 5th round pick from a team that thinks he could be the last piece to solidify their O line. I was really intrigued by Parnell and the time to get him out there is now. He could be worse than Free, but he has a much better physical skill set.

Bruce Carter: Can I get a ham sandwhich? Done... Trade him for a 7th rounder and be done with this ******. I wish someone would be dumb enough to give us a 5th rounder but a 7th is more likely. Even if he tears it up for a new team so what. He is a FA after this year and based on his efforts, I would never consider giving him money. That would be a huge mistake.

Morris Claiborne: This dude blows. I am not mad at the organization for taking him because every draft analyst liked the pick. Fans from other teams were pissed that the Rams only got a 2nd rounder. Teams miss all the time. It happens, but he was not a reach. I think someone will give Dallas a 3rd round pick for him thinking they can fix him. Trade him and get something for him before he has no trade value.

Stuck with:

Tony Romo: Man that contract was dumb. Maybe Dallas can move on after next season

Sean Lee: See Tony Romo

Realistically Dallas should have an extra 3rd, 4th, 5th,and 7th rounder. Those extra pick will be huge and Dallas must hit on its picks with safe players. They cannot afford to take any More AOAs or David Arkins and must settle for more established players with lower ceilings.

FAs: Only one: Linval Joseph. He is only 25 years old. He would be an outstanding 1 tech. He has good size and is very fast for being so big and he has been very sturdy. I would like to get Lamar Houston from Oakland as the 3 tech, but I think Oakland is going to lock him down in the offseason. No to Melton. He is going to want some serious jack and Dallas needs to run away from big contracts. Those big contracts cripple your team when those players go down because you cannot afford depth. If Melton ends up signing a reasonable contract due to a lower FA market, he will stay with the Bears.

Okay its draft time: Dallas will not be able to rebuild this team in one offseason, but they can get some good players and lay down a good foundation with the younger core players like Dez and Tyrone.

1st round: Trent Murphy DE. This guy has good size at 6'6 and weighs 261 lbs. He leads the nation in sacks this year with 13.5. Not the greatest athlete but he gets it done. I do like Tuit and Hageman but not as much as the guy I really like in the 2nd round. I also think Murphy is a much better DE than the 2nd round prospects at DE.

2nd round: Kelcy Quarles DT Great quickness and not just for his size at 6'3 at 298 lbs. He is tearing it up with 9.5 sacks. I really thought he would go much higher but legit draft websites are stating he will be a 2nd-3rd draft pick with this deep DT class lowering him. I would not get greedy and try to take him in the 3rd. Just take him a little high in the 2nd round and solidify the D line.

3rd round Keith McGill CB I know not another corner, but this guy is huge at 6'2 and 205 lbs. You need big corners to cover these bigger and faster receivers that the NFL seems to be getting. This guy runs pretty fast for a man his size. When guys like Brandon Carr look small covering Jeffrey and Johnson, you need to change your approach. Also if Dallas sticks to the ******** cove 2r to this guy hits like a safety which is important from the corner position. Also according to my rebuild Dallas has cut Carr and traded Claiborne for a 3rd rounder which would be this pick.

3rd round Morgan Moses OT 6'6 325 lbs. I know Dallas probably doesn't want to invest more picks at OT when most fans would rather take a guard, but if Parnell cannot play, the season would be sunk. Moses has very good size and has played both tackle positions. He graded out very well as both a run and pass blocker. He would most likely just beat out Parnell because Moses is that good.

4th round Stanley Jean Baptiste CB 6'2 220 lbs. Oh no not another corner. This guy is huge though. Dallas needs bigger corners. Isn't anyone else tired of seeing Scandrick getting outmuscled by bigger receivers. Scandrick is the NFL's best slot corner which is where he should be playing. This team needs more size on the outside to prevent those cheap completions. Plus remember Carr and Claiborne are gone according to my rebuild.

5th round Ryan Groy G 6-5 320 lbs. A little bit of a reach but this draft has no one at guard in the 5th round. I suspect teams will start to value this Oline has much as us fans and will now be drafting them much higher. While most draft website state Groy is a 6th rounder, he will probably be the best available in the
5th. Dallas needs another guard and cannot draft injured players anymore. That has not worked out so well. Besides this guy was an all big ten offensive lineman as voted by the coaches, so its not like he is some bum. Plus like all O lineman from Wisconsin he would be NFL ready

5th round best available running back. I did not put a name because I didn't think Randle could have been taking this low last year. Teams do not seem to be putting premium picks on running backs anymore. There will be a good player here, I just don't know who will drop.

6th round Garrson Smith NT 6'3 299 lbs. This guy got 5 sacks playing as a undersized NT. He hustles a lot to make up for his lack of size which is not small in a 4-3. He played out of position and did not make excuses or complain. Usually someone like him would go much higher but again this deep tackle class has knocked him down to the 6th round.

7th round Ben Gardner DE 6'4 277 lbs. This is where you take injured players with lots of upside, not in the first 4 rounds. This guy would have gone much higher if not for a pectoral injury. He plays with a lot of hustle and never quits on plays. Not the best athlete but is always in the backfield.

7th round Spencer Long G 6'4 315 lbs. Would have been a 4th round pick if not injured. Again you gamble with lower rounds not higher. I think he will actually be better than Groy but I do not want to gamble a 5th rounder on an injured player.
 

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I'm on board except I think all of the trades where you are getting picks for Cowboys players are highly unlikely.

Your general concept is good. I like the idea of getting big CBs. Stanley Jean Baptiste is an interesting player.
 

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what is the cap implications of moving carr, witten and does that leave you a way to even get under the cap
 

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Every team in the NFL knows the Cowboys cap limitations and abhorrent lack of talent. There is no way you are getting anywhere near market value for ANY of these players. The absolute best thing that could happen is just ride out all these heinous contracts and quit adding money to future salary caps.

This team is run like someone who doesn't know how credit cards and payday loans work. You're paying that money eventually. Even trading/cutting these guys isn't going to stop that.
 

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what is the cap implications of moving carr, witten and does that leave you a way to even get under the cap

It's basically impossible to trade Carr in 2014. The cap hit would be too big.

The cap hit to trade Witten is about 8M. It could be done if Ware is cut, but there would be no room for any free agents.
 

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I would love to see witten go somewhere that he could get a ring- but selfishly we still need him.

Carr we need to keep because he has ability and too expensive to drop.

In the draft I like it but I want a guard capable of starting now. I do not trust Bernie to stay consistent; and who knows how long Leary's knees will hold up?

Most of the rest of it I like.
 

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Let's trade these over-rated players to a team with an idiot for a GM

oh wait......
 

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Every team in the NFL knows the Cowboys cap limitations and abhorrent lack of talent. There is no way you are getting anywhere near market value for ANY of these players. The absolute best thing that could happen is just ride out all these heinous contracts and quit adding money to future salary caps.

This team is run like someone who doesn't know how credit cards and payday loans work. You're paying that money eventually. Even trading/cutting these guys isn't going to stop that.

They never have to pay off all of the money that is moved into the future. They can keep borrowing every year to offset previous years, to an extent.

The "loan" will come due on some players but new "loans" will be taken out on other players to offset it.

There is no magical day where they have to have a balanced salary cap budget.

Unlike real loans, there is no salary cap interest accrued. There are some real money costs involved, but in terms of the salary cap, the loans have zero interest.
 

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They never have to pay off all of the money that is moved into the future. They can keep borrowing every year to offset previous years, to an extent.

The "loan" will come due on some players but new "loans" will be taken out on other players to offset it.

There is no magical day where they have to have a balanced salary cap budget.

Unlike real loans, there is no salary cap interest accrued. There are some real money costs involved, but in terms of the salary cap, the loans have zero interest.

Yes you're right. Perhaps it was a bad analogy.

Personally, I would ride out as many of the awful contracts as possible and restock through the draft. Play the best player available at each position, not the highest paid. It's the closest to rebuilding this team will ever get under Jones.
 

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I don't know much about how the cap works but I think we have to cut ways with as many high-priced veterans as we can. I know we won't be able to get rid of all of them. I'm thinking we'll cut ties with Ware, Hatcher, Spencer, Orton, Costa, Livings, and a few others. I think we'll probably hold on to Witten, Carr, Free, Bernadeau, Romo (definitely), and a few others. Regardless of what we do, we need to spend any free agency money we can on DL and draft DL in at least the first 2 rounds.
 

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what is the cap implications of moving carr, witten and does that leave you a way to even get under the cap

trading witten would result in negative 200,000 dollars into the cap which I would be willing to make for a 4th rounder. Carr has to be a June 1 cut because of the amount of dead money which is a negative 4 mill if traded.
 

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Let's trade these over-rated players to a team with an idiot for a GM

oh wait......

You don't think Witten could get a 4th rounder because I do. I also guarantee some team will give up a 3rd rounder for Morris Claiborne. Maybe Free won't get a 5th rounder but I guarantee some team will give up a 7th rounder for Carter. These are all very realistic trades.
 

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Tony Romo: Man that contract was dumb. Maybe Dallas can move on after next season

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I so wish they hadn't given him that contract extension. Should have taken a page out of what the Ravens did with Flacco and let him earn his contract. I really would like to see this team without Romo at QB and no I don't mean Orton but draft one in the 1st/2nd round and build around that QB. I've had it with this group of players. We've tried over and over again and it doesn't work. I would love to see a complete makeover of this roster and coaching staff during the offseason.
 

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Yes you're right. Perhaps it was a bad analogy.

Personally, I would ride out as many of the awful contracts as possible and restock through the draft. Play the best player available at each position, not the highest paid. It's the closest to rebuilding this team will ever get under Jones.

Rebuilding is actually simple. Jerry just has to make the emotional decision to cut Ware. Ratliff is already gone. Hatcher and Spencer are free agents. Austin should be cut.

There is no reason not to use the cap savings from cutting Ware and Austin on some young free agents. They can free up about 7.5m immediately or 17.75M if they wait until June 1st by cutting Ware and Austin.

That's easily enough to sign 2 top free agents. If the 1st and 2nd round picks are defensive players, that could be 4 of 11 starters replaced in 1 off-season.

Add in that they have some young players getting good experience unlike the Wade Phillips years when they only played stopgap veterans. Wilber has done well consider that he was a DE a month ago and is now a LB. Holloman, Heath, Wilcox are rookies with physical upside that are gaining valuable experience. Durant looked like a legit backup MLB in the 1st half of the Packers game. Claiborne has not lived up to his draft status, but is at least a good 3rd CB if he can ever stay healthy. Church has a lot in common with Seattle's #2 Safety, Kam Chancellor but is just not talented enough to carry the inexperienced players around him. They just need a couple of the no-name DLinemen to be good backup/rotational players if they replace all of the starters with a couple of top young free agents and a couple of early round draft picks.
 

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You don't think Witten could get a 4th rounder because I do. I also guarantee some team will give up a 3rd rounder for Morris Claiborne. Maybe Free won't get a 5th rounder but I guarantee some team will give up a 7th rounder for Carter. These are all very realistic trades.

They need a plan to win within the next 3 years because they're already committed to Romo. The players listed will probably contribute more in that time frame than the draft picks.
 

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They need a plan to win within the next 3 years because they're already committed to Romo. The players listed will probably contribute more in that time frame than the draft picks.

I am willing to go 8-8 next year with my plan. I know it will be a step back, but I truly believe Romo cannot get it done. He is just too damn stupid. I am willing to bet the reason the team checks out of the run so often is because the coaches gave him too much authority. I also understand this team is stuck with his and Lee's contracts but they can cut bait in 2015. Clearing all those contracts will be big in 2015 when Dallas has to give money to Tyrone Smith and maybe Dez and really only Smith is worth a big contract. Teams can get by without elite receivers, but teams with good lines have more staying power. I do not believe Claiborne will contribute more than Keith McGill. Witten will be replaced by Escobar who is a 2nd round pick. Carter sucks and has a poor work ethic. He will be a FA on 2015 and no way would I give him more money. A 7th rounder is about all we can get.
 

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It's basically impossible to trade Carr in 2014. The cap hit would be too big.

The cap hit to trade Witten is about 8M. It could be done if Ware is cut, but there would be no room for any free agents.

you had a plan the other day that actually shows the cap implications of each move. thats what i like to see. you can't really judge what a plan really is without the numbers. the cut everyone crowd has to get this. there are only so many moves you can make. some guys like carr you need just to restructure to get under the cap. but as in your plan if we did move ware then we could get alteast one part for the dline in f.a. and the rest maybe in the draft. whether you sign a dt or de does'nt matter as much. the whole point is get one of those positions filled with a f.a. so it is possible to fill the others in the draft. the odds of getting a starter quality player after the top 3 rounds is small. so you only have a few spots to replace those you cut/trade or how ever you move them
 

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I am willing to go 8-8 next year with my plan. I know it will be a step back, but I truly believe Romo cannot get it done. He is just too damn stupid. I am willing to bet the reason the team checks out of the run so often is because the coaches gave him too much authority. I also understand this team is stuck with his and Lee's contracts but they can cut bait in 2015. Clearing all those contracts will be big in 2015 when Dallas has to give money to Tyrone Smith and maybe Dez and really only Smith is worth a big contract. Teams can get by without elite receivers, but teams with good lines have more staying power. I do not believe Claiborne will contribute more than Keith McGill. Witten will be replaced by Escobar who is a 2nd round pick. Carter sucks and has a poor work ethic. He will be a FA on 2015 and no way would I give him more money. A 7th rounder is about all we can get.

They can't cut Romo in 2015 either. The NFL does not allow teams to field a 20 man roster in order to be able to get under the salary cap which is what it would take.
 

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You don't think Witten could get a 4th rounder because I do. I also guarantee some team will give up a 3rd rounder for Morris Claiborne. Maybe Free won't get a 5th rounder but I guarantee some team will give up a 7th rounder for Carter. These are all very realistic trades.


of all the ones you named, witten is the one i dont want to trade

that is a guy who gives it his all and is still very very productive. he brings it every week.
that is a guy you can go to war with (so to speak)

the rest can pound sand
 
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