New policy to curb opposing fans from the home stadium?

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There's an interesting twist for season ticket holders this year that may have an alternative motive: trying to get some opposing fans out of Cowboys Stadium.

Last year was embarrassing. Denver completely took over the stadium, as did the Packers, Giants, Commanders, and Eagles in the division-deciding game. Jerry can't tell a home game from a road game anymore, other than his vantage point is much better here. It's sad, because below Jerry is always a throng of opposing jerseys surrounding his exposed Emperor's balcony. He gets an earful.

The year before, you would have thought you were in Pittsburgh; it was 50/50 and they were louder. New Orleans always takes over, too, as do the Bears. In 2014, we have Houston, San Francisco, New Orleans, and Indianapolis due here in addition to the divisional foes.

So what is the tactic?

I received an e-mail strongly encouraging me to pay my full invoice by tomorrow, when the schedule is announced, so I could have immediate access to putting my tickets up for sale on the NFL Ticket Exchange.

(For reference, every year I put all my tickets up for sale at a ridiculous amount, just in case someone is willing to pay $1K or more per seat to go to the game. I go to all the games, unless I have an unavoidable situation where I can't.)

Here's the catch this year: the instructions say that you have to print out your tickets first before you can put them up for sale.

Why is that interesting? If you print them, ANY of them, you won't receive the pretty package of commemorative tickets this season. Instead, you'll have to print them all and suffer the indignity of a plebian ticket buyer with common 8x11 paper tickets. Indeed, such bad form. (You'd be surprised how much that matters to some.)

There's a "green" aspect to that and a savings to the team, but I think there's more to it than that. They're (Jerry) is hoping it will discourage season ticket holders from putting them up for sale until AFTER they get their commemorative tickets in late July.

By waiting until the real tickets arrive, opposing fans from opposing places can't make their flight and hotel reservations as cheaply as they could further in advance, especially for the early games. (Jerry makes no money off of that.) Plus, fans of teams coming here later in the season might think twice if those teams are losing or suffer a lot of injuries during the preseason. (What if Andrew Luck was lost for the season; does an Indy fan want to still pay to come here in December?)

Sure, some won't care, but enough might.

I can tell you this. I'm tired of going to the games, sitting at midfield, and being surrounded by Commanders fans. It's so disgusting that I often look forward to the road games so I can sit at home without the angst.

The effect will be limited, but I have no doubt there's a tinge of intent in this because of this very real problem at Cowboys home games.
 

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Here's the actual email:



Erod (yes, I changed this),

We are happy to announce an update to your Dallas Cowboys Account Manager and NFL Ticket Exchange privileges! The day following the schedule release, all accounts that have their 2014 Season Ticket invoice PAID IN FULL will have the ability to start posting tickets for resale on the NFL Ticket Exchange.

To post your tickets for sale, you will need to log into your account manager, select the "print-at-home" option for the tickets you would like to post for resale, and proceed with posting your tickets on the NFL Ticket Exchange. Each ticket must be printed in order to be eligible to post for sale.

To post your tickets, follow the steps below:

1. Log into your Account Manager for your Season Tickets

2. Click "Manage My Tickets"

3. Click the month and date of the tickets you would like to print

4. Print your tickets. Please note that if any tickets are sold, the tickets that were printed must be discarded. These no longer have valid barcodes.

5. Post your tickets for sale


PLEASE NOTE: Once you print any of your tickets at home, regardless of if you post them for sale or complete a resale transaction, you will no longer receive the commemorative tickets. After any ticket has been printed from account manager, the account is taken off of the system for the commemorative ticket print list. You will still receive a package with your Season Ticket Holder amenities such as an AT&T Stadium Guest Guide, discount card, sticker, etc.

If you wish to receive your commemorative tickets, please wait until July 1st to print, post or forward any of your tickets through Account Manager.

We thank you for your support and look forward to the 2014 season at AT&T Stadium!


Dallas Cowboys Football Club
 

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This is a problem in bigger stadiums (see FedEx field as well) in transient cities (the DFW and DC being transient cities)

Prices are sky high for the average fan. Brokers scoop them up. Supply is high, demand not high enough to fill 80k in a stadium week after week due to the home watching experience being that much superior.

The season ticket model in the NFL in general is under tremendous pressure now. Only way to alleviate it will be to reduce the size of stadiums (which is why I get worried when the DC council talks of building a 100k seat stadium for the Commanders, where as it should be no bigger then 65k)

Simple formula: Too many seats+high ticket prices+easily coordinated secondary market (stubhub, craigslist, brokers, internet in general)+superior NFL experience at home= lots of road fans in stadium
 

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There were lots of skins fans and eagles fans in Cowboys stadium on those games? Didn't seem like it. Yeah the Broncos and Packers represented.
 

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Just win and those tickets will be all bought up by the bandwagon fans that will all of a sudden be die hard Cowboy fans again. ....

Or do what the Arizona Cardinals did to us a few years back.Make tickets only available to the Cowboy game that bought pre-season tickets.

So if we play a team that has a fan base that travels well at our stadium. Only allow those fans that purchased pre-season tickets.

Problem solved.
 

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Is this a problem at AT&T stadium only?

I was there for a bears game a few years ago and they were definitely well represented. However, they were nowhere close to 50%. They were loud which made it seem like there were more of them.

But aren't other teams dealing with this too? If it is just the Cowboys then there is definitely something we are doing wrong.
 

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Just win and those tickets will be all bought up by the bandwagon fans that will all of a sudden be die hard Cowboy fans again. ....

Or do what the Arizona Cardinals did to us a few years back.Make tickets only available to the Cowboy game that bought pre-season tickets.

So if we play a team that has a fan base that travels well at our stadium. Only allow those fans that purchased pre-season tickets.

Problem solved.

The problem is season ticket holders selling their seats.
 

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Just out of curiosity -- have you ever gotten $1000 for a game? I can't imagine anybody holding that against you , you gotta take that deal.
 

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It's possible that the numbers will go down too when enough people have satisfied their curiosity about the stadium/mall/amusement park.
 

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There's an interesting twist for season ticket holders this year that may have an alternative motive: trying to get some opposing fans out of Cowboys Stadium.

Last year was embarrassing. Denver completely took over the stadium, as did the Packers, Giants, Commanders, and Eagles in the division-deciding game. Jerry can't tell a home game from a road game anymore, other than his vantage point is much better here. It's sad, because below Jerry is always a throng of opposing jerseys surrounding his exposed Emperor's balcony. He gets an earful.

The year before, you would have thought you were in Pittsburgh; it was 50/50 and they were louder. New Orleans always takes over, too, as do the Bears. In 2014, we have Houston, San Francisco, New Orleans, and Indianapolis due here in addition to the divisional foes.

So what is the tactic?

I received an e-mail strongly encouraging me to pay my full invoice by tomorrow, when the schedule is announced, so I could have immediate access to putting my tickets up for sale on the NFL Ticket Exchange.

(For reference, every year I put all my tickets up for sale at a ridiculous amount, just in case someone is willing to pay $1K or more per seat to go to the game. I go to all the games, unless I have an unavoidable situation where I can't.)

Here's the catch this year: the instructions say that you have to print out your tickets first before you can put them up for sale.

Why is that interesting? If you print them, ANY of them, you won't receive the pretty package of commemorative tickets this season. Instead, you'll have to print them all and suffer the indignity of a plebian ticket buyer with common 8x11 paper tickets. Indeed, such bad form. (You'd be surprised how much that matters to some.)

There's a "green" aspect to that and a savings to the team, but I think there's more to it than that. They're (Jerry) is hoping it will discourage season ticket holders from putting them up for sale until AFTER they get their commemorative tickets in late July.

By waiting until the real tickets arrive, opposing fans from opposing places can't make their flight and hotel reservations as cheaply as they could further in advance, especially for the early games. (Jerry makes no money off of that.) Plus, fans of teams coming here later in the season might think twice if those teams are losing or suffer a lot of injuries during the preseason. (What if Andrew Luck was lost for the season; does an Indy fan want to still pay to come here in December?)

Sure, some won't care, but enough might.

I can tell you this. I'm tired of going to the games, sitting at midfield, and being surrounded by Commanders fans. It's so disgusting that I often look forward to the road games so I can sit at home without the angst.

The effect will be limited, but I have no doubt there's a tinge of intent in this because of this very real problem at Cowboys home games.

I got that e-mail also, and was piassed....I pay a good price for those tickets and want the printed tickets as well as to be able to print the e-mail copies too. They used to charge you for that, but not sure with this new scam they will or not. I will be emailing my ticket rep, not that it will do any good. I never get a response from them anyway. Which I will be telling them that too. They have been really bad at any responses lately.

I want to post my tickets for sell as well as getting the printed tickets. I travel for my work, and never know when I'm back in town to attend a game. So I post them for sell otherwise.
I don't care to make a profit, just want to recoup my cost. Now they tell me I can't post them for sell on NFL ticket exchange until July 1st, if I want the printed copies too. F that.
I post them on Stubhub and NFL ticket exchange. Oh well, no one really looks to buy them until August anyway. They are too controlling. Another reason why I will try to sell my PSL rights. There are places to list those for sale too.

The NFL and JJ are really alienating fans more than they think. They are too big for their britches as my dad used to say. What do they really gain from this, nothing!
 

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Be cool if you posted some pics of those commemorative tickets. I'd like to see those.
 

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Does it affect Stub Hub too? Just curious, because if it doesn't it just seems like people would push the tickets through that outlet?
 

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The problem is season ticket holders selling their seats.
I'm glad they do that or I wouldn't be able to buy tickets to Cowboys' games. The stadium is so large there is no way (especially with today's Cowboys) to have the Cowboys fans completly fill up AT&T Stadium. I still think visiting teams fans are overstated. When I went to the Cowboys/Steelers game a couple of years ago there were a lot of Steelers fans there, but the Cowboys fan still had a very large majority. It seemed there were more Steelers fans there because they were so vocal.

I've been to away games and Cowboys fan trave VERY well. Sometimes we are the majority, and that's no lie.
 

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Just out of curiosity -- have you ever gotten $1000 for a game? I can't imagine anybody holding that against you , you gotta take that deal.

I got 4200 per seat for a Mavs playoff game once. 8400 bucks...and I still attended the game.

Btw, the Mavs have been steering away from hard tickets for years now.
You can even get you full season ticket on a small credit card-like thing

Furthermore, season ticket holders are strongly discouraged from selling to opposing teams fans if at all possible. They have reps that actually take note of it in prominent season ticket holder areas. But it is allowed...and the worst violation of all is to leave a seat unused.
 

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There's an interesting twist for season ticket holders this year that may have an alternative motive: trying to get some opposing fans out of Cowboys Stadium.

Last year was embarrassing. Denver completely took over the stadium, as did the Packers, Giants, Commanders, and Eagles in the division-deciding game. Jerry can't tell a home game from a road game anymore, other than his vantage point is much better here. It's sad, because below Jerry is always a throng of opposing jerseys surrounding his exposed Emperor's balcony. He gets an earful.

The year before, you would have thought you were in Pittsburgh; it was 50/50 and they were louder. New Orleans always takes over, too, as do the Bears. In 2014, we have Houston, San Francisco, New Orleans, and Indianapolis due here in addition to the divisional foes.

So what is the tactic?

I received an e-mail strongly encouraging me to pay my full invoice by tomorrow, when the schedule is announced, so I could have immediate access to putting my tickets up for sale on the NFL Ticket Exchange.

(For reference, every year I put all my tickets up for sale at a ridiculous amount, just in case someone is willing to pay $1K or more per seat to go to the game. I go to all the games, unless I have an unavoidable situation where I can't.)

Here's the catch this year: the instructions say that you have to print out your tickets first before you can put them up for sale.

Why is that interesting? If you print them, ANY of them, you won't receive the pretty package of commemorative tickets this season. Instead, you'll have to print them all and suffer the indignity of a plebian ticket buyer with common 8x11 paper tickets. Indeed, such bad form. (You'd be surprised how much that matters to some.)

There's a "green" aspect to that and a savings to the team, but I think there's more to it than that. They're (Jerry) is hoping it will discourage season ticket holders from putting them up for sale until AFTER they get their commemorative tickets in late July.

By waiting until the real tickets arrive, opposing fans from opposing places can't make their flight and hotel reservations as cheaply as they could further in advance, especially for the early games. (Jerry makes no money off of that.) Plus, fans of teams coming here later in the season might think twice if those teams are losing or suffer a lot of injuries during the preseason. (What if Andrew Luck was lost for the season; does an Indy fan want to still pay to come here in December?)

Sure, some won't care, but enough might.

I can tell you this. I'm tired of going to the games, sitting at midfield, and being surrounded by Commanders fans. It's so disgusting that I often look forward to the road games so I can sit at home without the angst.

The effect will be limited, but I have no doubt there's a tinge of intent in this because of this very real problem at Cowboys home games.

Why not just put tickets up on stubhub as soon as the schedule is released and state that tickets will be shipped in August? That way you circumvent the NFL exchange, are able to sell the tickets early, and get the printed commemorative tickets.
 

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Sounds like they're looking to save some money on printing costs themselves, no?
 
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