News: Cowboys still bottoming out since Jimmy Johnson's exit; here's why

[Wood]

Jimmy Johnson opened the championship window for the Cowboys in the 1990s. But the Green Bay Packers closed it.

The Packers did that by winning in April. And the same problem that haunted the Cowboys at the close of their 1990s dynasty continues to haunt them two decades later -- an inability to find players in the later rounds of the draft.

Let's go back to Johnson. He understood the value of first-, second- and third-round picks. Those are the premium rounds -- the rounds you build a contender. Those are the rounds you find a Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Russell Maryland, Daryl Johnston, Darren Woodson, Mark Stepnoski and Erik Williams. All were Johnson draft picks who become starters and Pro Bowlers on Super Bowl championship teams.

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[Alexander]

Cue the Gosselin is a hater message.

A "mediot" and a hack.

Pretry easy to know how this will develop.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Cue the when the media agrees with my opinion they are informed and intelligent...when they don't they are mediot hacks.

See above.

 

[Reality]

Cue the when the media agrees with my opinion they are informed and intelligent...when they don't they are mediot hacks.

See above.

I prefer the, "I am right because someone with more followers than me on Twitter tweeted it!" justification

 

[AbeBeta]

Please. Jimmy brought something new. It got old. You couldn't get the players he valued by trading back anymore.

It's a typical college guy deal. Comes in and is effective for a few years.

The best pro coaches are able to keep that up year after year

 

[Risen Star]

He writes this as if we don't have Will McClay.

 

[J_Allen]

I believe Jerry drafted 2 pro bowlers from 1994 to 2002. Larry Allen in the second round and Dexter Coakley in the third. So tell me again who closed the dynasty? And letting the players walk that we did on top of that? Yeah... but hey at least we had money for Deion....

 

[CCBoy]

This is a difficult arena to place full confidence when presented. The numbers at the bottom of Dallas drafts, just haven't proven out as a positive for the Cowboys in recent years. Agreed. But the bottom numbers used here, don't include a high number of non-drafted players who ended up as strong producers and starters as well. That is among the league's best in numbers.

 

[CyberB0b]

Cue the Gosselin is a hater message.

A "mediot" and a hack.

Pretry easy to know how this will develop.

To be fair, Jimmy had success in the draft because he had Herschel Walker and found the one idiot in the NFL not named Jerry Jones or Mike Ditka that would make a deal like that.

 

[Maxmadden]

"Twenty-five teams have found a Pro Bowl player since 2008 in rounds 4-7. But not the Cowboys."

Is this any where close to the definition of luck?

 

[Blast From The Past]

Jimmy also had fresh knowledge of current players at the time. And no salurey cap.

 

[CyberB0b]

"Twenty-five teams have found a Pro Bowl player since 2008 in rounds 4-7. But not the Cowboys."

Is this any where close to the definition of luck?

It's fairly obviously that he picked exactly 2008 to skew this stat, as well.

 

[coult44]

Cue the when the media agrees with my opinion they are informed and intelligent...when they don't they are mediot hacks.

See above.

Exactly!!!

 

[coult44]

I believe Jerry drafted 2 pro bowlers from 1994 to 2002. Larry Allen in the second round and Dexter Coakley in the third. So tell me again who closed the dynasty? And letting the players walk that we did on top of that? Yeah... but hey at least we had money for Deion....

It was slammed shut when they decided not to draft Moss.

 

[J_Allen]

It was slammed shut when they decided not to draft Moss.

No doubt about that. What a mistake.

 

[jobberone]

Nothing new but probably a plaque deserves to be hung over the GM and scout's doors until they do better. I'm not certain missing out on 2-3 Pro Bowl players over that time is a good measure but it counts for something.

We aren't drafting well in the later rounds and by far. We should get 1.5-1.9 starters day three and we are less than 1. That is more telling than Pro Bowl players and this greatly contributes to the problem of having holes to fill every year. You have to fill those holes and that keeps you from drafting for the BPA a bit too often. That hurts over the long run. Add in loss of high draft picks remotely and poor judgment on some risky picks and you get a trickle effect which has drifted thru the last two decades.

 

[CCBoy]

Nothing new but it probably a plaque deserves to be hung over the GM and scout's doors until they do better. I'm not certain missing out on 2-3 Pro Bowl players over that time is a good measure but it counts for something.

We aren't drafting well in the later rounds and by far. We should get 1.5-1.9 starters day three and we are less than 1. That is more telling than Pro Bowl players and this greatly contributes to the problem of having holes to fill every year. You have to fill those holes and that keeps you from drafting for the BPA a bit too often. That hurts over the long run. Add in loss of high draft picks remotely and poor judgment on some risky picks and you get a trickle effect which has drifted thru the last two decades.

C'mon now, the stats not glowing for rounds 5-7, don't remove successes and demonstrated starters/quality in free agency following those same drafts. Those numbers jump successes back up among league best numbers.

One still has to go by positional success. Me, I'm still exploring getting significant upgrades at SS and SLB...those would help a ton as well. We know that the defensive line will get some candidates in the draft. I expect four to five players that make significant showings from this years top four rounds.

As to Jerry, he still is the league's best at negotiating immediately following the draft, with no challengers there.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Jerry has trouble drafting talent? Shocking news! That's what I like about Gosselin, so insightful...

 

[jobberone]

C'mon now, the stats not glowing for rounds 5-7, don't remove successes and demonstrated starters/quality in free agency following those same drafts. Those numbers jump successes back up among league best numbers.

One still has to go by positional success. Me, I'm still exploring getting significant upgrades at SS and SLB...those would help a ton as well. We know that the defensive line will get some candidates in the draft. I expect four to five players that make significant showings from this years top four rounds.

As to Jerry, he still is the league's best at negotiating immediately following the draft, with no challengers there.

I've consistently said we have run a debit talent balance for a long time and that stands although I think we are whittlin' away at it. If we're going to turn the corner we must not just draft the occasional Pro Bowl players in the later rounds, gather starters, but also pass the league average in overall talent otherwise we will always be at the mercy of the Injury Gods.

I'm not posting a treatise on how to judge the overall talent on a roster as I'm not sure how well anyone does that. I'm just a guy on the internet. It's just my opinion we haven't gotten elite in our acquisition of talent and we certainly need to draft better day 3. JMO.

 

[CCBoy]

I've consistently said we have run a debit talent balance for a long time and that stands although I think we are whittlin' away at it. If we're going to turn the corner we must not just draft the occasional Pro Bowl players in the later rounds, gather starters, but also pass the league average in overall talent otherwise we will always be at the mercy of the Injury Gods.

I'm not posting a treatise on how to judge the overall talent on a roster as I'm not sure how well anyone does that. I'm just a guy on the internet. It's just my opinion we haven't gotten elite in our acquisition of talent and we certainly need to draft better day 3. JMO.

The offensive side has success, and priorities dominated direction recently. With the offensive line and it's depth, and a good franchise quarterback, with a top shelf receiver, and a solid running group...they can be more selective now, as to depth at WR and QB. One more needs to be added at RB.

On the defensive side, the scouting department is zeroing in on candidates that fit the Marinelli defensive scheme and positional demands. This will be the start of year three in his system, and it generally takes to year four to start holding a changed system to shoulder all evaluations as to effectiveness.

Managing the future in the secondary, is a problem at present, but that has opportunity to reflect and improve as well.

The bulk of talent presently at defensive line, is young. But there is talent there. Add something like a Wilkerson via a trade down with the Jets, or a sudden pick at defensive line at #4, and that group could quickly reflect a stronger future.

I really don't see despair right now.

I would throw in a talented strong side linebacker, to defensive end, defensive tackle, strong safety, and cornerback...and all real basics have been improved significantly. That is five positions that could be added in the first four rounds, and upgraded as to the defense, significantly.

This would leave a RB, QB, and WR still needing influx...and that is where the late round picks could surface. But there are currently no 5th and 7th round picks. So, how can Dallas really improve in what is being thrown up as a valid deficiency?