News? Regarding Bennett

[CowboyMcCoy]

I hate twitter like Hos hates kickers.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

The only people that know for sure what was offered ar the Bengals FO and the Cowboys FO. I dont recall Cinci people saying anything, but I do recall Jerry and Stephen both addressing this and niether said anything about a 1st rd pick being offered. They both said there was a player "capable of starting here" being offered along with a draft pick.

So your calling Hos a liar?

That's not very nice.

 

[dallasfaniac]

So your calling Hos a liar?

That's not very nice.

Technically it would be calling Hos's source a liar.

 

[cowboyjoe]

The Cowboys front office are well aware of his MartyB and Twitter activities.

The media now use those things as sources for stories.

We fans share them as fast as we find them.


I think the education is happening all around us every day.

ok thanks, what i cant understand, like when steve dennis was interviewing him, why didnt he call out bennett for not running right routes, for missing blocking assignments on special teams, and like romo & witten have to line him up right most of the time. Seems to me, when you show a person up that is popping off like that, either they grow up or go into a shell.

I think bennett needs to be called on it by the media and he realizes that we as fans know he is messing up big time.

Whats frustrating, he has the potential to be the next great TE like Kellen Winslow was with the chargers, if he applies himself. Sometimes in life, a person needs their butt kicked big time and called out to grow up.

 

[Randy White]

Great point that will go without being paid attention to. No one, and I mean NO ONE, on this forum knew John Phillips would turn out to be as good as he was.

Sorry Hos, but I don't buy this one.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the Cowboys had a #1 pick for sure in hand. To me what your source really meant was " we probably could have received a #1 pick for him IF we pushed hard enough, but we didn't want to do that ", which is very different of turning down a #1 pick.

However, WE knew Phillips was " this good ". We've known since trainging camp where he impressed the coaching staff almost from the begining. There was nothing but praise coming from them when it came to his work.

That we might have sided on the conservative side, probably looking at the possibility of having just PHilips if we traded away Marty and Jason going down for any amount of time, I agree and whole heartedly support. What would the peanut gallery in here be saying if that scenario went down then ?

But to say that we didn't know that Phillips was going to be good is at best a poor excuse..

 

[dallasfaniac]

like romo & witten have to line him up right most of the time.

You really can't blame Bennett for Romo and Witten's secret game planning.

 

[dbair1967]

So your calling Hos a liar?

That's not very nice.

Not at all, just saying the only thing publicly talked about this was what came out of Jones and Jones mouths.

Even if it WAS a 1st that was offered, I dont have a problem with them turning the deal down. Bennett had an overwhelming training camp and preseason and almost looked like a man among boys at times. He's also a tremendous blocker. Why should the Cowboys have decided after 5 or 6 games before the trade deadline to ignore what he did as a rookie and his TC/PS work? John Phillips was a 3rd TE who had hardly played and a relative unknown, and Witten didnt appear totally 100%. Trading Bennett then made little sense unless they could just get an amazing deal. That said, I highly doubt they offered a 1st.

 

[dbair1967]

Sorry Hos, but I don't buy this one.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the Cowboys had a #1 pick for sure in hand. To me what your source really meant was " we probably could have received a #1 pick for him IF we pushed hard enough, but we didn't want to do that ", which is very different of turning down a #1 pick.

However, WE knew Phillips was " this good ". We've known since trainging camp where he impressed the coaching staff almost from the begining. There was nothing but praise coming from them when it came to his work.

That we might have sided on the conservative side, probably looking at the possibility of having just PHilips if we traded away Marty and Jason going down for any amount of time, I agree and whole heartedly support. What would the peanut gallery in here be saying if that scenario went down then ?

But to say that we didn't know that Phillips was going to be good is at best a poor excuse..

So your ok with saying everyone knew Phillips was "this good" because of what happened in TC/PS, but then think they should ignore what Bennett did when he was arguably the best player we had in TC/Preseason and should have dumped him?

 

[links18]

I think people are missing a few things here. The source said "We just didn't want to let him go." I take this to mean the Bengals offered a 1st and the Cowboys turned it down. Why would the Cowboys offer a 1st, if they didn't want to let him go? Unless they were trying to scare Cincy off? More and more, it looks like we were offered a 1st for Bennett and turned it down.

 

[Randy White]

Until Iupati is taught pass blocking techniques, taught not to just grab defenders, and can show some ability to move his feet effectively, he is not an upgrade over anyone.

Yea.. because the Idaho Vandals didn't exactly throw the ball and scored at least 29 points in 9 out of th 12 games they played, never less than 21 in any of them.

 

[Randy White]

So your ok with saying everyone knew Phillips was "this good" because of what happened in TC/PS, but then think they should ignore what Bennett did when he was arguably the best player we had in TC/Preseason and should have dumped him?

No. Read what I wrote.

I said that what Ho's source probably meant was that if the Cowboys would have pushed hard enough, they probably COULD have gotten a 1st round pick. That's a far cry from saying " We turned down a #1 pick ", like the peanut gallery in here wants to believe.

I also said that I understood THEIR thinking for not pushing too hard. IF they trade Marty B for a #1 pick, and Jason Witten goes down for any lenght of time, then all of the sudden the Cowboys could have found themselves with John Phillips as THE #1 TE as a rookie. No matter how good he is, that's not a scenario a contender like Dallas would like to find themselves in the middle of a division title run.

However, to use the " we didn't know Phillips was going to be as good as he is " excuse does not pass the smell test because we did know. And by " we " I mean the Cowboys' staff.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Yea.. because the Idaho Vandals didn't exactly throw the ball and scored at least 29 points in 9 out of th 12 games they played, never less than 21 in any of them.

Which has what to do with what?

He was horrible in the Senior Bowl, or whatever game he played in. Could've been called for 6 or 8 holds. Showed no ability to move side to side without grabbing the DL.

Yea . . . the Idaho Vandals scored a bunch of points. So what was their final ranking again??? What bowl did they go to???

What does the team accomplishments have to do with the individual player's abilities???

Hmmm???

 

[Beast_from_East]

Man that 21st pick looks really nice.

Just bad business to pass on that trade.

Somebody tell me we did not turn down the 21st pick for Bennett


Wow, just wow.

 

[gmoney112]

If that's true then our FO is dumb. Single digit wonderlic score dumb. There shouldn't be any questions if a first is offered for a backup TE.

 

[Hoofbite]

Would have been nice.

Two 1st rounders in an incredibly strong draft.

Oh well I guess.

 

[Hoofbite]

No. Read what I wrote.

I said that what Ho's source probably meant was that if the Cowboys would have pushed hard enough, they probably COULD have gotten a 1st round pick. That's a far cry from saying " We turned down a #1 pick ", like the peanut gallery in here wants to believe.

Wants to believe?

Dallas not wanting to make a move when talking about 1st round compensation is turning down a 1st round pick.

There's no "wanting to believe". That's what Hos' guy said. They were talking about a 1st and Dallas did not want to make the move.

 

[Randy White]

Which has what to do with what?

With YOUR false evaluation of him.

He was horrible in the Senior Bowl, or whatever game he played in. Could've been called for 6 or 8 holds. Showed no ability to move side to side without grabbing the DL.

a) He wasn't " horrible ".

b) He showed not only that, but strenght, quickness, and aggressiveness you want in an offensive guard during the week. You know, when most of the scouts were paying attention ?

That's why he's the highest rated guard in this draft, and it's why he'll probably go top 20.

Yea . . . the Idaho Vandals scored a bunch of points. So what was their final ranking again??? What bowl did they go to??? What does the team accomplishments have to do with the individual player's abilities???

To say the things like YOU did, about a player who played in an offense that passed the ball like Idaho did, well, it's rather not smart..

Hmmm???

best thing you've said so far.

 

[Randy White]

Wants to believe?

Dallas not wanting to make a move when talking about 1st round compensation is turning down a 1st round pick. There's no "wanting to believe". That's what Hos' guy said. They were talking about a 1st and Dallas did not want to make the move.

Talking about a 1st round pick and being OFFERED a 1st round pick are two VERY different things. Who was doing the talking ( about the pick ), the Cowboys or the Bengals ?

Where in the entire conversation, according to Ho's source, did it say the Bengals OFFERED a #1 pick and the Cowboys TURNED IT down ?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I dont believe even the Bengals would consider a No. 1 for Bennett.

And I think it is ludicrous that given Witten and Phillips and MB's personna, that we would turn down a No. 1.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Talking about a 1st round pick and being OFFERED a 1st round pick are two VERY different things. Who was doing the talking ( about the pick ), the Cowboys or the Bengals ?

Where in the entire conversation, according to Ho's source, did it say the Bengals OFFERED a #1 pick and the Cowboys TURNED IT down ?

Or that it was just a first for Bennett straight up. Bennett and a second for a first is very different for example.