News? Regarding Bennett

[Randy White]

Or that it was just a first for Bennett straight up. Bennett and a second for a first is very different for example.

Alot of different scenarios could be assumed from " we were talking about it ".

IMO, like I said before, I think he meant that if the Cowboys would have pushed hard enough during the negotiations, the Bengals were desperate enough to probably throw in the #1 pick. And the reason why I say desperate is because, like it was pointed out by Shefter the other day, the Bengals do not like to part with their #1 draft choices very often, the last time being over 20 years ago.

 

[wileedog]

The Bengals pick 55th in the 2nd round.

Give me Bennett over the 55th pick

Bennett is himself a 61st overall pick.

An underachieving one at that.

I'd take the pick.

 

[wileedog]

Not at all, just saying the only thing publicly talked about this was what came out of Jones and Jones mouths.

Even if it WAS a 1st that was offered, I dont have a problem with them turning the deal down. Bennett had an overwhelming training camp and preseason and almost looked like a man among boys at times. He's also a tremendous blocker. Why should the Cowboys have decided after 5 or 6 games before the trade deadline to ignore what he did as a rookie and his TC/PS work? John Phillips was a 3rd TE who had hardly played and a relative unknown, and Witten didnt appear totally 100%. Trading Bennett then made little sense unless they could just get an amazing deal. That said, I highly doubt they offered a 1st.

Bennet's value to us will never be more than a #1 pick as long as Witten is on the field and healthy.

He can go to Cincy and be All Pro, and that's all fine and dandy, but whether Marty gets his head out of his butt or not he is simply never going to put up numbers here that warrant 1st round pick value. Not with Romo throwing to his BFF Witten.

If it was offered, and given the 2nd message Hos received "We didn't want to let him go" it leads me to believe it was, there was no possible reason to turn down a #1 for a 2nd string TE who is having a very hard time mastering the receiving end of his job. None.

 

[casmith07]

It's easy to look and gnash your teeth over the deal now with how the season played out for Bennett, but back then around the trade deadline nothing was in stone.

We'll see what happens this year.

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

Bennet's value to us will never be more than a #1 pick as long as Witten is on the field and healthy.

He can go to Cincy and be All Pro, and that's all fine and dandy, but whether Marty gets his head out of his butt or not he is simply never going to put up numbers here that warrant 1st round pick value. Not with Romo throwing to his BFF Witten.

If it was offered, and given the 2nd message Hos received "We didn't want to let him go" it leads me to believe it was, there was no possible reason to turn down a #1 for a 2nd string TE who is having a very hard time mastering the receiving end of his job. None.

How do you know Witten's skills wont deminish within the next 2-3 years?? Bennett will be a very good player for us. I believe in this knuckle head

 

[DeaconBlues]

With YOUR false evaluation of him.



a) He wasn't " horrible ".

b) He showed not only that, but strenght, quickness, and aggressiveness you want in an offensive guard during the week. You know, when most of the scouts were paying attention ?

That's why he's the highest rated guard in this draft, and it's why he'll probably go top 20.



To say the things like YOU did, about a player who played in an offense that passed the ball like Idaho did, well, it's rather not smart..



best thing you've said so far.

Hor-a-bile. Who cares what Idaho did? He was Hor-a-bile.

 

[Beast_from_East]

How do you know Witten's skills wont deminish within the next 2-3 years?? Bennett is be a very good player for us. I believe in this knuckle head

Witten with one freaking leg >>>>>>> Bennett


Dam, the more I think about us passing on a first rounder to keep Bennett the more pissed I am getting.

 

[Hoofbite]

How do you know Witten's skills wont deminish within the next 2-3 years?? Bennett will be a very good player for us. I believe in this knuckle head

Guess what happens in 2-3 years. Bennett will be up for a new contract and you can bet your *** he will jump to the highest bidder. The guy doesn't care about football. Win or lose, it's all the same to him.

 

[Hoofbite]

Talking about a 1st round pick and being OFFERED a 1st round pick are two VERY different things. Who was doing the talking ( about the pick ), the Cowboys or the Bengals ?

Where in the entire conversation, according to Ho's source, did it say the Bengals OFFERED a #1 pick and the Cowboys TURNED IT down ?

I really don't see how anyone can ignore what was posted.

They were talking about a 1st rounder and it was DALLAS who didn't want to make the deal happen.

It's not like Dallas was asking for a 1st rounder and didn't get it. Dallas refused to follow through with the deal.

Should be pretty obvious who was doing the talking.

If Dallas wasn't interested in trading for a 1st rounder, why would they be the party who initiates the dialogue. Just doesn't make sense.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

I have this model friend who has done a few shoots for Playboy and Maxum. Her and I have talked about sex. Doesn't mean there is a .0000000000000001% chance her and I would ever have hooked up before she got married.

Same principle applies. Just because we talked about a 1st round pick somewhere in a conversation doesn't mean it was offered, suggested, or that it wasn't Marty B + another player for a conditional first round pick.

Something to consider.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I firmly believe the Giants had no intentions of trading Shockey after their SB* win. But as the speculation grew and the questions lingered it became in their best interest to just stop w/ the drama and deal him.


We could be nearing that territory soon. #21 and #53 for Marty and #27 or something. We ensure we get Iupati at 21 or Earl Thomas if we dont sign a safety.

 

[cowboyed]

Man that 21st pick looks really nice.

Just bad business to pass on that trade.

The Cowboys don't have a history of not taking trade advantage netting a higher particular, first round pick for a 2nd round draft pick late in the second round at that.

We do not know all the details behind this, just some cryptic comments from hostile's source. Hostile understandably can't reveal the source or what role that source has with the Cowboys. I doubt very much we dropped the ball on this but that there were legitimate mitigating circumstances - or assessments about Bennett that prevented this from happening.

 

[wileedog]

How do you know Witten's skills wont deminish within the next 2-3 years??

Witten is 27 and one of the hardest workers in the game. I'd be shocked if he fades before he turns 30. Gonzalez is still going strong at 34.

 

[casmith07]

Guess what happens in 2-3 years. Bennett will be up for a new contract and you can bet your *** he will jump to the highest bidder. The guy doesn't care about football. Win or lose, it's all the same to him.

Bennett won't be here in 2 to 3 years. I smell a draft day trade.

And to the poster that was talking about Witten's skills diminishing? GET REAL. Martellus Bennett is not the heir to the Witten throne...you're out of your mind if you think otherwise.

 

[The Great Number 8]

easy to punch Jerry now.....but i dont blame him and half the board didnt want him to make the trade either AT THE TIME....Bennett just came off a monster preseason and a very promising 2008 season.....

if only Jerry had the privilege of hind site that you all have.........

if Bennett lives up to what we ALL thought he could be there wouldnt be a player on the board at 21 that would be any more valuable....

im not defending Bennett I think he is a childish punk....but Jerry is not to be blamed for not wanting to trade away what we all thought was a major talent

For the record - I dislike Bennett. But keep in mind the timing of the potential trade. Dallas getting back into a divisional/play-off race after a big Miles Autin led OAT win in KC. Everyone wishes we had done the deal now (myself included), but if we had done the deal and two weeks later had Witten get hurt and be forced to start John Phillips, we'd have all been irate about the trade. It wasn't the time to make that move.

 

[Hostile]

So I asked a follow up question. Who initiated the discussion for a 1st round pick? This was the response.

They called us. We talked a bit and it never got very far.

 

[CATCH17]

So I asked a follow up question. Who initiated the discussion for a 1st round pick? This was the response.

Looks like we will never know the details in full clarity.

They could've just said well would you guys even accept a 1st with no intent of giving up their 1st.

Who knows and at this point who cares? Im happy we have Bennett.

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

Bennett won't be here in 2 to 3 years. I smell a draft day trade.

And to the poster that was talking about Witten's skills diminishing? GET REAL. Martellus Bennett is not the heir to the Witten throne...you're out of your mind if you think otherwise.

I didn't say he was buddy.. You just never know

 

[wileedog]

At the time we talked about a 1st. But we didn't want to do that.

Just didn't want to let him go at that time.

They called us. We talked a bit and it never got very far.

They called us and offered a first. We said no. Apparently quickly.

I don't see how anyone can reconcile these quotes any differently, especially given the bolded.

I will agree with someone who said earlier that at the time of the offer it might have left us with a hole if we didn't know what we had in Phillips. But dayum, that really looks like a lost opportunity regardless.

 

[Hoofbite]

So I asked a follow up question. Who initiated the discussion for a 1st round pick? This was the response.

Thanks Hos. Seems pretty clear to me what happened. Between what you have given us and what Theebs posted on the matter, I believe that Dallas was offered a 1st rounder and turned it down.

Looks like we will never know the details in full clarity.

They could've just said well would you guys even accept a 1st with no intent of giving up their 1st.

Who knows and at this point who cares? Im happy we have Bennett.

Of course not every detail is known but that doesn't really matter. The Bengals were interested in picking up Martellus and a 1st round pick was in the discussion.

I like the potential Bennett offers but I don't think he will ever realize a great deal of that potential. He seems disinterested.

He plays behind a HOF quality player and will never move up the depth chart as long as Witten is on the roster. Furthermore, I don't think Bennett will hang around long enough to see a time when Witten isn't on the roster. Witten is almost 29 and I do not think it would be unreasonable for him to play another 5-6 years, at least.

Should have made the trade. Having an additional 1st rounder this year would likely be far more beneficial to this team than having Bennett. If Bennett was the #1 option you have a different case but as is, the guy is limited based on where he is at on the depth chart.

Tough choice to make no doubt but in the grand scheme, I can't think of many teams who would side with having a #2 TE over having an additional 1st round pick.