News? Regarding Bennett

[BAT]

Still like Bennett, and when the trade was offered Bennett was an important part of the offense that got hot at seasons' end.

However, a first for the guy is amazing. Not sure if any team offers that much now, right before the draft. But if the Bengals are still interested, I'd take Maualuga and a 2nd for Bennett. And this is coming from someone who still considers him an important facet of the offense, with a lot of upside.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I have this model friend who has done a few shoots for Playboy and Maxum. Her and I have talked about sex. Doesn't mean there is a .0000000000000001% chance her and I would ever have hooked up before she got married.

Same principle applies. Just because we talked about a 1st round pick somewhere in a conversation doesn't mean it was offered, suggested, or that it wasn't Marty B + another player for a conditional first round pick.

Something to consider.

Exactly. It sounds like they were in the very early stages of throwing things out there. That's a long way from putting a definitive offer on the table. There were probably several moving parts involved.

 

[dbair1967]

I'm still amazed at how so many can hear something like this, and take it for the gospel.

Again, the only time I saw anyone address this publicly was when daddy Jones and son Jones commented, and niether said anything about being offered a 1st rd pick for Bennett. They both said the Bengals offered a player "capable of starting" and didnt name the player or even the position. I find it extremely difficult to believe the Bengals were offering a 1st rd pick AND a starting calibar player for Bennett. This was in the DMN and the FWST and I think was mentioned on the Cowboys website as well.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm still amazed at how so many can hear something like this, and take it for the gospel.

Again, the only time I saw anyone address this publicly was when daddy Jones and son Jones commented, and niether said anything about being offered a 1st rd pick for Bennett. They both said the Bengals offered a player "capable of starting" and didnt name the player or even the position. I find it extremely difficult to believe the Bengals were offering a 1st rd pick AND a starting calibar player for Bennett. This was in the DMN and the FWST and I think was mentioned on the Cowboys website as well.

ANYWAYS! It's simple to see why didn't jump on this deal. We had just drafted Bennett and he was coming off a pretty good rookie season. Showing a lot of promise. And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this deal offered after the mini-camps where Bennett was blowing **** up in practice?

So you can understand the hesitation in parting with Bennett, even for so high a compensation. It's just not good business to turn right around and trade a 2nd year player. Especially one who shows so much promise.

 

[Four]

in jerryisms "a player capabable of starting" very well could mean a first round pick.

 

[dbair1967]

ANYWAYS! It's simple to see why didn't jump on this deal. We had just drafted Bennett and he was coming off a pretty good rookie season. Showing a lot of promise. And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this deal offered after the mini-camps where Bennett was blowing **** up in practice?

So you can understand the hesitation in parting with Bennett, even for so high a compensation. It's just not good business to turn right around and trade a 2nd year player. Especially one who shows so much promise.

I agree 100% and have the whole time, its just for some people this is another chance to slam Jerry over something.

I have no problem with criticizing him for somethings, but on alot of things people give it to him regardless of what he does. Almost all these hosers complaining about NOT trading him now would be the first ones piling on if Bennett had gotten traded and then turned into a big time player.

 

[Hoofbite]

I'm still amazed at how so many can hear something like this, and take it for the gospel.

Again, the only time I saw anyone address this publicly was when daddy Jones and son Jones commented, and niether said anything about being offered a 1st rd pick for Bennett. They both said the Bengals offered a player "capable of starting" and didnt name the player or even the position. I find it extremely difficult to believe the Bengals were offering a 1st rd pick AND a starting calibar player for Bennett. This was in the DMN and the FWST and I think was mentioned on the Cowboys website as well.

Because what is publicly stated is always the truth?

 

[Future]

Thanks for the info Hos.

Wow I'm just baffled at the thought of not taking a first. The dude is going to be a lifetime backup TE here. Not to mention annoying.

Imagine if we had another first this year. Would anyone be missing Martellus?

He's not a backup TE. With the amount of two TE sets we run, he's seeing a lot of snaps...probably saw almost as many as Austin last year if I had to guess.

And even if we had gotten Cin's first, it would have probably been thought of as a pick in the 20's. Trading a guy with a huge upside who hasn't even played two season yet, for a first round pick...that could be even worse than what we have...doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't think Jerry was wrong to turn it down at the time.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Wow... Even I would have taken the 1st round pick.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Because what is publicly stated is always the truth?

Because what Hostile is seemingly told is the truth? How do we know he's not just being fed a load of misinformation?

 

[Hostile]

Because what Hostile is seemingly told is the truth? How do we know he's not just being fed a load of misinformation?

You don't. That is true.

I trust this person. If you can't because of some dislike for me, so be it.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

You don't. That is true.

I trust this person. If you can't because of some dislike for me, so be it.

Why did you take this as some kind of dislike for you on my part? Actually I do like you so I don't know where that's coming from.

Anyway, all I'm saying is that this person you're talking to can be feeding you misinformation. If this person's name isn't Jerry or Stephen, and ending in Jones, then anything said to you or anybody is pretty irrelavant.

 

[Hoofbite]

Because what Hostile is seemingly told is the truth? How do we know he's not just being fed a load of misinformation?

I'm not just talking what Hostile is saying.

I'm talking about the video that Theebs has posted as well.

Hostile was against the 1st round idea for a while so whatever he heard from whoever he talked to, it's gotta be pretty good info to change his mind.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I'm not just talking what Hostile is saying.

I'm talking about the video that Theebs has posted as well.

Hostile was against the 1st round idea for a while so whatever he heard from whoever he talked to, it's gotta be pretty good info to change his mind.

I don't doubt that Hostile has an inside source - one that he trusts wholeheartedly. That doesn't make the information he's receiving trustworthy. That's all I'm saying.

But say for a moment it's true- that the offer was as simple as a first reounder for Bennett (or something coming close ot that). Well, I would not have made that deal either, given that Dallas had already wedded itself - wrongly in my opinion - to the base 2-TE offense. In that case, they needed Bennet to play opposite Witten because Phillips was never drafted to be anything like what he showed he could be.

So the need to hold onto Bennet at all costs is where I suspect the "we just didn't want to do it at the time" quote may be coming from. And if so, then it would not surprise me if Hostile's source is Jason Garrett himself.

 

[Hostile]

Why did you take this as some kind of dislike for you on my part? Actually I do like you so I don't know where that's coming from.

Anyway, all I'm saying is that this person you're talking to can be feeding you misinformation. If this person's name isn't Jerry or Stephen, and ending in Jones, then anything said to you or anybody is pretty irrelavant.

The person who gave me the tips about trading for Roy Williams wasn't surnamed Jones either.

That is irrelevant I am sure. I understand that any time someone says "sources" the immediate reaction is "oh brother." I get that.

I don't share this stuff for any reason other than to stimulate discussion here and on occasion I get some good stuff.

 

[Hostile]

I'm not just talking what Hostile is saying.

I'm talking about the video that Theebs has posted as well.

Hostile was against the 1st round idea for a while so whatever he heard from whoever he talked to, it's gotta be pretty good info to change his mind.

I did not believe the reports of a 1st round pick.

I do now. That should indicate some level of trust on my part. Whether that is good enough or not, is up to the person who reads the reports.

 

[Jon88]

The person who gave me the tips about trading for Roy Williams wasn't surnamed Jones either.

That is irrelevant I am sure. I understand that any time someone says "sources" the immediate reaction is "oh brother." I get that.

I don't share this stuff for any reason other than to stimulate discussion here and on occasion I get some good stuff.

I'm glad you share what you hear. I wish I knew someone in the organization.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

The person who gave me the tips about trading for Roy Williams wasn't surnamed Jones either.

That is irrelevant I am sure. I understand that any time someone says "sources" the immediate reaction is "oh brother." I get that.

I don't share this stuff for any reason other than to stimulate discussion here and on occasion I get some good stuff.

When Ed Werder cites sources, the appropriate response is "oh brother". But I do trust you and your intentions in this forum, so i don't ever think "oh rother" when you say you talked to a trusted insider and share those insights.

In fact, I don't question if who you're talking to should be trusted (and personally, I like to think it's Jason Garrett ). But the last thing Jerry Jones ever said that I actually believed at his word was last offseason when he told the media that if they didn't hear a report straight from him then they never had a relaible report.

The Cowboys simply did not do anything earthshattering enough last season to make me believe that the Jones' are about to let others than themselves be in the true, final 'know' about any past or present delaings. That's why i say that if this is not coming straight from the Jones' then it's really irrlevant, even if it is coming from a currnet coach.

 

[Hostile]

When Ed Werder cites sources, the appropriate response is "oh brother". But I do trust you and your intentions in this forum, so i don't ever think "oh rother" when you say you talked to a trusted insider and share those insights.

In fact, I don't question if who you're talking to should be trusted (and personally, I like to think it's Jason Garrett ). But the last thing Jerry Jones ever said that I actually believed at his word was last offseason when he told the media that if they didn't hear a report straight from him then they never had a relaible report.

The Cowboys simply did not do anything earthshattering enough last season to make me believe that the Jones' are about to let others than themselves be in the true, final 'know' about any past or present delaings. That's why i say that if this is not coming straight from the Jones' then it's really irrlevant, even if it is coming from a currnet coach.

It isn't Garrett, but thank you for letting me dream about it.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

It isn't Garrett, but thank you for letting me dream about it.

I said I'd like to think it's Garrett. But in reality, I highly doubt it is a coach (sorry if i killed the dream lol), scout or administrator/management. Tay're too smart to just talk to anybody - would think Jones would have their jobs in s heartbeat for being "twitters", and they know it. So it has to be a player. Am I getting warm?

It's martyB himself - isn't it?