NewyScruggs Blog: T. Newman Deserves His Deal, Marion Barber’s I Don’t Get

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T. Newman Deserves His Deal, Marion Barber’s I Don’t Get

Published May 20, 2008

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Tags: america's team, barber, contracts, Cowboys, Jerry Jones, newman, NFL, TO

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones loves to spend money on stars.

Pro Bowl cornerback Terence Newman got a 6-year contract extension. The deal is reportedly for 50 million and 22.5 million is guaranteed.

I would be shocked if Newman gets to the end of this deal. He’s 30 now. Not many corners are 36 so if the Cowboys get three good years out of the deal they should be happy.

I like T-New. He is a classy kid and I am happy for him. Jones took care of him.

Now the deal for Marion Barber, III was not smart in my opinion. Barber has only started on NFL game and Jones rewarded him with a 7-year contract for 45 million.

Barber made the Pro Bowl, but geez, he got paid for 16 games as a backup.
If he is worth 45 million why did they have to use a first round pick on a running back and a fourth round pick on a running back in the April NFL Draft?

Barber will get 21 million in the first three years of the contract. I sound like a hater, but he’s never gained one thousand yards in the NFL.

Hey, it ain’t my money. It’s Jerry Jones’. Oh yeah, when is T.O. going to get paid. He is in the final year of his contract.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I'm glad we kept Barber, I like him a lot, but I don't get the deal either especially in light of our drafting of Felix Jones and Tashard Choice. Between the money Barber got and the money that Jones is going to get being a first round pick, that seems like a lot of money for the backfield.

Unless Jerry has something up his sleeve, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

[Eddie]

Oh yeah, when is T.O. going to get paid. He is in the final year of his contract.

TO's in such great shape, he can play until he's 50.

Don't hate.

 

[superpunk]

Albert Breer deserves his blog. Newey Scruggs, I don't get.

 

[TheCount]

If he is worth 45 million why did they have to use a first round pick on a running back and a fourth round pick on a running back in the April NFL Draft?

I like Barber and the fact that we're keeping him, but he's got a very good point there.

I was one of the people that certainly felt we didn't need to spend a first rounder on an rb, and we certainly didn't need two RB's if we were willing to sign Barber to this kind of deal.

Apparently there was no WR that would have ever amounted to anything in the draft, but a 3rd RB will make an impact. *shrug*

 

[the kid 05]

barber has started more then 1 nfl game its 4 lol get it right!

 

[Nexx]

the precedent was set by the Michael Turner deal which sux balls but hey what can you do?

 

[DallasDomination]

i'm glad we have barber... period, he made a difference in all of our games. Newman on the other hand was solid. Nothing special, it was Henry early on that was hot untill injury.


Some Cowboys fans are crazy about newman...Seriosuly the guy had one good rookie year a crappy 2nd year and hs been solid after that. Look I love the guy but he's way to over hyped by some of us. IMO when Henry is not injured and is playing at 100% He's a much better playmaking CB.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I like Barber and the fact that we're keeping him, but he's got a very good point there.

I was one of the people that certainly felt we didn't need to spend a first rounder on an rb, and we certainly didn't need two RB's if we were willing to sign Barber to this kind of deal.

Apparently there was no WR that would have ever amounted to anything in the draft, but a 3rd RB will make an impact. *shrug*

Yeah, I meant to start a thread on if we should have drafted someone other than Choice if we'd known Barber would get re-signed. I know everyone loves Choice and all, but how much can a 3rd back get on the field? If we weren't sure about Barber, I see it. With him locked up, it makes me wonder if we wouldn't have been better served with a Lavell Hawkins or Keenan Burton or even a safety or lineman.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I love Barber too, but I also don't get his deal. He got full time back money and he isn't a full time back.

If you pay your one of your two running backs $6.4M per season which is big time RB money, then you have to pay your second and third RB. Reggie Nelson got $13.2M for 5/yr as the 21st pick last year. Thats $2.64M and I suspect Felix Jones will get something like that.

So, Barber + Jones will cost an year over year average of around $9M a year?

Thats a damn lot of money for a pair of running backs, that don't blow the doors off the league the way says TO does or LT did when he rushed for 1,800 yards, 28TDs, and a 5.2 average.

If Felix Jones comes it and lights it up, then maybe it's a good deal. Otherwise Barber got quite a bit more than he is actually worth.

If anything, I think he got some of Newman's deserved money.

 

[Rampage]

does anybody know how Barbers money is spread around?

 

[jterrell]

esigh....

Note to Newy. You do not pay folks for what they have done ... you pay them for what they will or can do. We can talk about not starting but Marion Barber made a Pro Bowl and was a huge TD maker.

Newman has been very good but he's how many years older than Barber? Which deal was the bad one again?

Both of these guys are team cornerstones right now which is why they got paid so well. Barber is a huge motivator for the entire offense and both players are leaders on their side of the ball.

And the numbers quoted mean little, as the deals are really just 3 or 4 year deals with big money years tossed on the end that neither player are very likely to see.

Would I give Marion Barber 16.5 mil guaranteed? Yes. Newman 22? A tougher call but ultimately yes.

oh and the Barber cap hit is mimimal...

from Adam's post...
I just got the details of Barber's contract, and it's even more favorable than I thought it would be.

Barber got the minimum salaries in 2008 and 2009 and no extra bonuses before 2010. So his cap numbers for 2008 and 2009 (the only capped years currently remaining) are only $2,526,720 and $2,620,000.

In 2010, the first scheduled uncapped year, he gets a $4 million roster bonus. That's the remainder of his $16 million in guaranteed bonuses that has been reported. He also has small roster bonuses in 2011 and 2012.

Here are his cap numbers (note that only 2008 and 2009 even have a cap right now) --

2008 $2,526,720 (includes standard $6,720 workout bonus)
2009 $2,620,000
2010 $9,860,000
2011 $6,750,000
2012 $8,000,000
2013 $8,250,000
2014 $7,000,000

If the salary cap is extended before 2010, that season's cap number easily can be reduced to less than $4.5 million through simple restructuring (prorating his roster bonus and the portion of his salary above the minimum).

Had we not signed Barber by the deadline on Tuesday, his cap number this season could have been the same, but his 2009 cap number would have had to have been much higher to comply with the rules that prevent teams from dumping too much into the uncapped seasons. When he signed the contract, though, the uncapped seasons didn't start until 2012.

 

[Doomsday101]

I guess you could say Barber contract came up at the right time. No doubt Dallas loves what they saw from Barber and there is no reason to think we will get any less from him in the coming years.

 

[joseephuss]

Just because Barber hasn't been a full time back doesn't mean that Barber won't be a full time back. They are not paying him to do what he has done the last two seasons. They are going to ask him to do more. He is going to get a full work load.

A full work load does not mean he will get an Emmitt Smith type work load of 350 rushing attempts and 50 to 60 catches per season. Barber is not Emmitt Smith. That is okay because few backs are of that quality. Barber will get less than that, but it will be more than what Barber had in 2007 or 2006.

If Dallas does turn around and only gives Barber the same work load as last season then yes they over paid. In 2006 Julius got 267 rushing attempts and Barber added another 135 attempts. I expect Barber to get 275 to 300 rushing attempts next year. Maybe even a little more. That still leaves plenty of carries left for Jones and Choice.

 

[sago1]

Frankly, I wasn't initially happy with our draft. When Mendenhall fall to us, I couldn't understand why Jerry took Felix Jones over him. But I loved the Jenkins pick, so I was okay. Didn't understand drafting Bennett when we just traded away Fasano. Drafting Choice was also a surprise but at the time thought it was a "just in case" we didn't resign MBIII. Didn't understand the other trades but did like Scandrick pick; didn't know anything about Weldin (?).

I'm more on board with our draft now, partly because so many experts rated it so highly. Yep, I admit I don't know much about these college players so a high grade chanced my mind.

But I've come to realize several things. There's no way Jerry drafts Felix Jones unless Jason Garrett really wanted him; there's no way he drafts Bennett unless Garrett really wanted him & same goes for Choice. There's no way Jerry drafts Jenkins (I loved) unless Wade on board; same goes for Scandrick & Weldin.

Anyway I really believe Garrett has big plans for Felix besides solely as MBIII's backup; same goes for Choice. I don't hold Choice 4th round selection since MBIII was a 4th rounder too & he sure worked out. Presume Felix eventually will get 5-8 snaps a game at RB but do think Garrett will incorporate some reverses & a few pass plays to take advantage of Felix's speed -- which we lack in our passing game. Also expect to see Choice on the field a lot more then many think. He's too talented/hard worker & besides he's good blocker/picking up the blitz. I think he may well be used early in a game whenever we want give MBIII a breather so he ready for 2nd half rather then relying soley on Felix. Wouldn't be surprised to see both Felix & Choice in same backfield when MBIII ocassionally on the bench.

In other words, Garrett will use Felix something like Reggie Bush & even see if he can also become a Wes Welker or Westbrooke-type RB. Most teams find it very difficult to stop Westbrooke. If Garrett able to fully integrate Felix into our offense to max his talents, wonder how difficult it will be for other teams to stop MBIII & Westbrooke/Bush while also worrying about Romo, TO & Witten. Will also be real interesting to see if Bennett can develop sufficiently to become a factor in his rookie season not only at blocking but in our passing game. Fasano didn't & Witt too often during the season had to be held back to protect Romo which really limited our passing game. Holy Cow. Wonder just how good our offense could become if Felix & Bennett can really help. Romo and rest of our offense will put up NE type numbers.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

i'm glad we have barber... period, he made a difference in all of our games. Newman on the other hand was solid. Nothing special, it was Henry early on that was hot untill injury.


Some Cowboys fans are crazy about newman...Seriosuly the guy had one good rookie year a crappy 2nd year and hs been solid after that. Look I love the guy but he's way to over hyped by some of us. IMO when Henry is not injured and is playing at 100% He's a much better playmaking CB.

to bad henry doesn't go up against teams number 1 WR and shut them down. I don't ge this statement irks me to no end.

 

[Sarge]

I'm not overly thrilled with Barber's deal either - RB's are too easy to replace.....he makes some good points....Love Barber but shu-eeeze.

 

[TheCount]

I'm not overly thrilled with Barber's deal either - RB's are too easy to replace.....he makes some good points....Love Barber but shu-eeeze.

People keep saying this like we've had TOO MANY good RB's since Emmit's decline.

Sure, their careers are generally shorter, but they aren't EASY to replace.

 

[Aven8]

Barber is the heart and soul of this team. Not Ware, TO, Newman, or even Romo!
I know it's a lot of money and it's scary to use that much on a back, but can you name another player on this team that when he is in the game, is going to give you everything he has and leave everything on the field?

He energizes the entire team and the fans. He isn't selfish and is a true teammate. I'll bet there are probably 30 other teams that would pay $45mil for him in a second.

I'm glad we don't have to tackle him. I think fans tend to forget what he is capable of, and how the fans react when he goes into the game. I must assume that it's because he doesn't have straight line speed.

This kid is a stud and deserves/earned this pay. Need I remind you of the NE play in the endzone last year? What has Michael Turner done lately? How about Larry Johnson?

 

[tomson75]

Barber is the heart and soul of this team. Not Ware, TO, Newman, or even Romo!
I know it's a lot of money and it's scary to use that much on a back, but can you name another player on this team that when he is in the game, is going to give you everything he has and leave everything on the field?

He energizes the entire team and the fans. He isn't selfish and is a true teammate. I'll bet there are probably 30 other teams that would pay $45mil for him in a second.

I'm glad we don't have to tackle him. I think fans tend to forget what he is capable of, and how the fans react when he goes into the game. I must assume that it's because he doesn't have straight line speed.

This kid is a stud and deserves/earned this pay. Need I remind you of the NE play in the endzone last year? What has Michael Turner done lately? How about Larry Johnson?

DUCK!