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QBs:

1a) Dallas
1b) Giants
1c) Eagles
4) Commanders

This is really close amongst the top 3 teams. I am sure fans of each would argue they deserve the top spot and that's fine.

The Cowboys, Giants and Eagles all have Pro Bowl caliber starting QBs. All 3 guys also share an issue with consistency. Romo has won the least "big" games of the groups to be sure but he also has by far the most proven backup.

Tough to knock McNabb down to the 3rd spot but his age and injury history are a huge legit concern. And his back up is a young guy who McNabb doesn't really get cozy with. So that's a huge concern mark or how prepared he'll be to play if McNabb goes down. As good as McNabb was late last year he was benched during the season.

Eli has won a SB, yes, kudos to him for it as well, but he was straight bad last season to end the year. The Giants tried to draft him some weapons but year 1 WRs are notoriously iffy. And the Giants backups scare no one. With the pass rush in this division I can't see why any team would play David Carr whose issue is that he is gunshy.

RBs:

1) NYG
2) Dallas
3) Wash
4) Philly

The running games are good across the board. I give the Giants a slight edge because they have figured out how to use their tandem. They did lose a back in free agency but I think they can replace that and keep the pressure on defenses. They may not look as good however minus Burress.

Dallas probably has the most raw talent at the position with 3 guys I feel certain will start over 30 games as an NFL RB. They haven't shown they could work all 3 in yet so they remain at 2 here.

Wash has a declining but always dangerous Portis and a solid back up group behind him but they also have the worst OL so the backs do not shine as they could.

Ranking the Eags 4th seems odd as good as Westbrook is but it has been all Westbrook all the time and when he got dinged last year they couldn't do anything at all. Young RBs can contribute day 1 but I have little faith the Eags no how to add a RB as no one since they added Westbrook can even make NFL teams.


Receiving Corps:

1) Dallas
2) Eagles
3) Wash
4) Giants

This is another area where it is pretty tight. Dallas emerges as 1st because of the TEs. Washington edges NYG for the same reason.

RW11, Crayton and Miles Austin isn't a bad trio. Not like people are acting anyway. Crayton is the 3rd or 4th most proven WR in the division. And Austin is like a young draft pick who has flashed but hasn't proven anything. He is high potential like the rookies draftees.

Maclin was a great get for the Eags and DeSean Jackson can make big plays when he keeps his head on right. But those guys are awfully small to be playing together regularly. Add in the lack of a TE of note in Philly and they could really struggle running the ball again.

The Commanders did last year what the NYG did this year: load up in the raft at WR. Moss is the best W he division but he has dreck behind him. Cooley is a good TE but he is very one-dimensional.

The Giants drafted 1st and 3rd round rookie WRs and some analysts seem willing to put those guys in Pro Bowls already... lol. They didn't draft Fitzgerald and they didn't even draft RW11. Barden was the rawest WR drafted in the first 4 rounds. The UNC kid showed out at his Bowl game but that just left questions about why he wasn't better for the rest of his career. And Kevin Boss scares no one.


OL:

1) Giants
2) Dallas
3) Eags
4) Skins

The Giants have a really cohesive OL that had a nice run of health. When they health issue arose they weren't very good. But they have a consistent group who plays hard and makes few mistakes to nab the top spot.

Dallas probably has the most raw talent but also the biggest drop off after the starters. Because they are a whup the guy in front of you line, when a guy is banged up he gets exposed.

The Eags have potential to be very good but OL turnover seldom seems to get the desired result year 1. You have to replace aging guys eventually but the Eags could have 3 or 4 guys playing in spots they didn't in that last playoff game only a few months ago.

Try as they may the Commanders just can't seem to get any better on either line. They spend money and draft picks there but just don't get the right guys. This is why they get picked for the cellar.


So again on paper Dallas probably has the most talent but the edge is minimal and they probably have the lowest intangibles rating with mental hurdles and coaching success.
 

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I know this sounds like a homer post, but I'd also put our three RBs as # 1 in the East. Actually, I don't think it's even that close.
 

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Star4Ever;2840126 said:
I know this sounds like a homer post, but I'd also put our three RBs as # 1 in the East. Actually, I don't think it's even that close.

I agree!!
 

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I wouldn't even take Jacobs over MB3.


Barber is a better all around back and it took Jacobs a few years to start running with passion.

He was the definition of a toe dipper.


I bet someone told him to watch Marion Barber and just run like that.


The 1st decent run Felix has will instantly make it unquestionable as to who is #1. The 1st second after it happens.
 

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left out HC and staffs, important category

1) Giants
2) Eagles
3) Cowboys
4) Skins
 

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jterrell;2840104 said:
QBs:

1a) Dallas
1b) Giants
1c) Eagles
4) Commanders
I'd put McNabb over Eli. And I think Romo is better than them and deserves the #1 on his own.
jterrell;2840104 said:
RBs:

1) NYG
2) Dallas
3) Wash
4) Philly
I think you're penalizing Washington and Philly a little too much because they use a primary back. There's no need to split carries when you can hand a guy the ball 25 times a game (or in Philly's case run and pass him the ball 25 times per game).
jterrell;2840104 said:
Receiving Corps:

1) Dallas
2) Eagles
3) Wash
4) Giants
I think this is where I disagree the most. I believe that Moss is better than Roy Williams. I also think Randle El is just as good as Crayton (although ideally ARE would be in the slot). Statistically, El has done more, but also had more opportunities. After Moss and El we just have a bunch of question marks, but I think Austin is a question mark too. I agree that Witten is the best tight end, but not by as much as these rankings would suggest. Cooley puts up solid numbers and catches more TDs (save for last year where he only caught one). I'm also not sure what you mean by one-dimensional. He's a very good run blocker - remember he came into the league to be an H-back where he often lined up in the backfield as the lead blocker. He does struggle in pass pro though where Witten shines.
jterrell;2840104 said:
OL:

1) Giants
2) Dallas
3) Eags
4) Skins
I'd probably put the Eagles at 2 with Dallas at 3. I like the Skins line except for RT which could be a huge issue for us this whole year. Samuels and Thomas have been injury-prone recently as well.

Overall I'd say the Giants will have the best offense this year because of their O-line.
 

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jterrell;2840104 said:
QBs:
Receiving Corps:

1) Dallas
2) Eagles
3) Wash
4) Giants

This is another area where it is pretty tight. Dallas emerges as 1st because of the TEs. Washington edges NYG for the same reason.

RW11, Crayton and Miles Austin isn't a bad trio. Not like people are acting anyway. Crayton is the 3rd or 4th most proven WR in the division. And Austin is like a young draft pick who has flashed but hasn't proven anything. He is high potential like the rookies draftees.

Maclin was a great get for the Eags and DeSean Jackson can make big plays when he keeps his head on right. But those guys are awfully small to be playing together regularly. Add in the lack of a TE of note in Philly and they could really struggle running the ball again.

The Commanders did last year what the NYG did this year: load up in the raft at WR. Moss is the best W he division but he has dreck behind him. Cooley is a good TE but he is very one-dimensional.

The Giants drafted 1st and 3rd round rookie WRs and some analysts seem willing to put those guys in Pro Bowls already... lol. They didn't draft Fitzgerald and they didn't even draft RW11. Barden was the rawest WR drafted in the first 4 rounds. The UNC kid showed out at his Bowl game but that just left questions about why he wasn't better for the rest of his career. And Kevin Boss scares no one.



An unestablished bunch all round..what this tells me is that at WR there are no strong receiving groups inthe NFCE...yet.
 

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IF Moss has a real edge on RW its not a big one. No one could put Randal El as an equal to Clayton except a Skins Homer. Put them together and they equal out. Cooley is not equal to Witten but even so we also have Bennett who is worlds better then anyone else the skins have. Any way a logical person looks at it Dallas has the overall edge.
 

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jterrell;2840104 said:
QBs:

1a) Dallas
1b) Giants
1c) Eagles
4) Commanders

This is really close amongst the top 3 teams. I am sure fans of each would argue they deserve the top spot and that's fine.

The Cowboys, Giants and Eagles all have Pro Bowl caliber starting QBs. All 3 guys also share an issue with consistency. Romo has won the least "big" games of the groups to be sure but he also has by far the most proven backup.

Tough to knock McNabb down to the 3rd spot but his age and injury history are a huge legit concern. And his back up is a young guy who McNabb doesn't really get cozy with. So that's a huge concern mark or how prepared he'll be to play if McNabb goes down. As good as McNabb was late last year he was benched during the season.

Eli has won a SB, yes, kudos to him for it as well, but he was straight bad last season to end the year. The Giants tried to draft him some weapons but year 1 WRs are notoriously iffy. And the Giants backups scare no one. With the pass rush in this division I can't see why any team would play David Carr whose issue is that he is gunshy.

Fairly close, but I believe you are right. Dallas has the stronger reserves over the Giants. David Carr looks good by name only, but I am certain the Giants take Kitna over him and McGee/Bomar are a wash.

RBs:

1) NYG
2) Dallas
3) Wash
4) Philly

The running games are good across the board. I give the Giants a slight edge because they have figured out how to use their tandem. They did lose a back in free agency but I think they can replace that and keep the pressure on defenses. They may not look as good however minus Burress.

Dallas probably has the most raw talent at the position with 3 guys I feel certain will start over 30 games as an NFL RB. They haven't shown they could work all 3 in yet so they remain at 2 here.

Wash has a declining but always dangerous Portis and a solid back up group behind him but they also have the worst OL so the backs do not shine as they could.

Ranking the Eags 4th seems odd as good as Westbrook is but it has been all Westbrook all the time and when he got dinged last year they couldn't do anything at all. Young RBs can contribute day 1 but I have little faith the Eags no how to add a RB as no one since they added Westbrook can even make NFL teams.

I wouldn't go so far as say the Giants have figured out how to use them per se. They will have to find a way to use one of two new backs, either Andre Brown or Danny Ware like they used Ward as I don't think Bradshaw is ready for the step up. From a talent perspective, Dallas is clearly better until the new players show they can handle it. I'd also move Philadelphia up higher as I think Portis is ready to fall off a cliff and Betts hasn't shown much the last few seasons.

Receiving Corps:

1) Dallas
2) Eagles
3) Wash
4) Giants

This is another area where it is pretty tight. Dallas emerges as 1st because of the TEs. Washington edges NYG for the same reason.

RW11, Crayton and Miles Austin isn't a bad trio. Not like people are acting anyway. Crayton is the 3rd or 4th most proven WR in the division. And Austin is like a young draft pick who has flashed but hasn't proven anything. He is high potential like the rookies draftees.

Maclin was a great get for the Eags and DeSean Jackson can make big plays when he keeps his head on right. But those guys are awfully small to be playing together regularly. Add in the lack of a TE of note in Philly and they could really struggle running the ball again.

The Commanders did last year what the NYG did this year: load up in the raft at WR. Moss is the best W he division but he has dreck behind him. Cooley is a good TE but he is very one-dimensional.

The Giants drafted 1st and 3rd round rookie WRs and some analysts seem willing to put those guys in Pro Bowls already... lol. They didn't draft Fitzgerald and they didn't even draft RW11. Barden was the rawest WR drafted in the first 4 rounds. The UNC kid showed out at his Bowl game but that just left questions about why he wasn't better for the rest of his career. And Kevin Boss scares no one.

The uncertainty with Dallas' 2nd, 3rd and 4th receivers is why I'd push them down a little further. Plus, they simply aren't as talented overall as others in the division. But they've all got serious questions, so it is hard to rank them. I happen to like the potential of the Giants group the most. I think a lot of people are sleeping on the Giants TEs. Beckham is a real sleeper and I don't think Boss gets enough credit for being solid. The Eagles could have a real gem in Ingram, but they have no starter. Fred Davis could be very good in Washington if he gets his head screwed on. What is funny is that this group is talented, young and deep--a bit of a contrast to the WR group.
OL:

1) Giants
2) Dallas
3) Eags
4) Skins

The Giants have a really cohesive OL that had a nice run of health. When they health issue arose they weren't very good. But they have a consistent group who plays hard and makes few mistakes to nab the top spot.

Dallas probably has the most raw talent but also the biggest drop off after the starters. Because they are a whup the guy in front of you line, when a guy is banged up he gets exposed.

The Eags have potential to be very good but OL turnover seldom seems to get the desired result year 1. You have to replace aging guys eventually but the Eags could have 3 or 4 guys playing in spots they didn't in that last playoff game only a few months ago.

Try as they may the Commanders just can't seem to get any better on either line. They spend money and draft picks there but just don't get the right guys. This is why they get picked for the cellar.


So again on paper Dallas probably has the most talent but the edge is minimal and they probably have the lowest intangibles rating with mental hurdles and coaching success.

I cannot argue much here, but again, you could pit Dallas vs. Philadelphia and call it close based on talent but we haven't seen the Eagles pull it together.

Nicely done.
 

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Who published these rankings? Nevermind ... I'll assume these are subjective rankings that you made up; and they did not come from an official source.

That said - here are the official PT Eagles Fan rankings

QBs:

(1/2/3) Eagles - Romo - Giants
4) Commanders

RBs:

1/2) Eagles/Cowboys
3) Commanders (Portis is no joke)
4) NYG (one dimensional without Toomer or Buress)

Receiving Corps:

1/2) Eagles/Cowboys
3) Commanders
4) Giants

OL:

1) Eagles
2/3)Giants-Cowboys
4) Skins

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Phoenix-Talon;2840294 said:
Who published these rankings? Nevermind ... I'll assume these are subjective rankings that you made up; and they did not come from an official source.

That said - here are the official PT Eagles Fan rankings

QBs:

(1/2/3) Eagles - Romo - Giants
4) Commanders

RBs:

1/2) Eagles/Cowboys
3) Commanders (Portis is no joke)
4) NYG (one dimensional without Toomer or Buress)

Receiving Corps:

1/2) Eagles/Cowboys
3) Commanders
4) Giants

OL:

1) Eagles
2/3)Giants-Cowboys
4) Skins

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Toomer and Burress were not RBs.
 

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Phoenix-Talon;2840294 said:
Who published these rankings? Nevermind ... I'll assume these are subjective rankings that you made up; and they did not come from an official source.

That said - here are the official PT Eagles Fan rankings

QBs:

(1/2/3) Eagles - Romo - Giants
4) Commanders

RBs:

1/2) Eagles/Cowboys
3) Commanders (Portis is no joke)
4) NYG (one dimensional without Toomer or Buress)

Receiving Corps:

1/2) Eagles/Cowboys
3) Commanders
4) Giants

OL:

1) Eagles
2/3)Giants-Cowboys
4) Skins

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Eagles rank 1st in every category... makes sense
 

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Phoenix-Talon;2840294 said:
Who published these rankings? Nevermind ... I'll assume these are subjective rankings that you made up; and they did not come from an official source.

That said - here are the official PT Eagles Fan rankings

QBs:

(1/2/3) Eagles - Romo - Giants
4) Commanders

RBs:

1/2) Eagles/Cowboys
3) Commanders (Portis is no joke)
4) NYG (one dimensional without Toomer or Buress)

Receiving Corps:

1/2) Eagles/Cowboys
3) Commanders
4) Giants

OL:

1) Eagles
2/3)Giants-Cowboys
4) Skins

PT

Can you really be serious? Are you really saying the Eagles are #1 at every offensive position in the NFC East?
 

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Hostile;2840305 said:
Toomer and Burress were not RBs.

Thanks.

The reason "Toomer aand Buress" were identified was merely to reflect that Jacobs will be rendered somewhat one-dimensional which justifies my placing him in the Number 4 position as a RB; and not higher.

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jzcowboy;2840309 said:
Eagles rank 1st in every category... makes sense

No sir ...it makes no sense - and it is not accurate. The Eagles share the number one spot with Dallas and sometimes Dallas and the Giants ...as indicated by the "and/or" symbol (" / ").

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Phoenix-Talon;2840318 said:
Thanks.

The reason "Toomer aand Buress" were identified was merely to reflect that Jacobs will be rendered somewhat one-dimensional which justifies my placing him in the Number 4 position as a RB; and not higher.

PT
I think it's too soon to say this. The Giants haven't played a single game without both of them being gone. For all we know at this point Nicks will have a seemless transition to star WR and Eli's favorite target. While I do expect them to have some growing pains here, I think the effect on the running game is less than crippling.
 

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pgreptom;2840315 said:
Can you really be serious? Are you really saying the Eagles are #1 at every offensive position in the NFC East?

I'm not kidding, nor have I indicated that the Eagles are #1 at every offensive position in the NFC East. Look again ...the Eagles and/or the Cowboys, and possibly the Giants (QB position).

So your implications are not quite accurate. I "wish" we stood alone in the area; but the truth is your team pretty evenly matches up with several of our offensive positions.



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Hostile;2840320 said:
I think it's too soon to say this. The Giants haven't played a single game without both of them being gone. For all we know at this point Nicks will have a seemless transition to star WR and Eli's favorite target. While I do expect them to have some growing pains here, I think the effect on the running game is less than crippling.

Listen Hos ...with all due respect, it's not too soon in my opinion. Sure, see things differently, that's what makes our dialogue "interesting." But that's how you see it. From my view, since we don't have the benefit of knowing anything concrete until the season starts ...

...if DL/D-Coach sees that a team is running the ball more often than they pass the ball (and until such time as the Giants obtain two credible WRs, Jacobs has to be the "go-to" player), a team becomes one-dimensional to any given DL ...and you know that).

I'm not taking away from Hakeem's natural talent, but he is a rookie! Rookies will undoubtedly make rookie mistakes. If He's good, he'll make fewer mistakes. But Eli is not going to crown this guy "go-to" simply because he was good in college. Coupled with the fact that he's got to learn a brand spanking new playbook/system on top of everything else. Not to mention how Brandon opened up his big mouth about Romo ...

Naturally I could be wrong, but I don't think so, I think they may have problems in the RB compartment.

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