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I wish we had the 2nd best Oline in the division. It is probably closer to the #4 then #2 given last season's performance. I know most of us are hoping that having Kosier isnt going to fix a lot of the ills, but until I see an substained improvement I am going to be skeptical.

I also think we have the best RB group, even though Westbrook is the best individual RB in the East.
 

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Phoenix-Talon;2840628 said:
That's your perrogative as a poster ...you don't have to agree with my predictions; nor do you have to "follow" someone else's predictions ...your wasting time fussing about my opinion when you don't even have any predictions of your own. What's that about?! If you don't come up with your own predictions, I'm through wasting my time trying to convince you that there is nothing written in stone here!

PT

From what I see, some of it's written in crayon.
 

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Doomsday;2840629 said:
I wish we had the 2nd best Oline in the division. It is probably closer to the #4 then #2 given last season's performance. I know most of us are hoping that having Kosier isnt going to fix a lot of the ills, but until I see an substained improvement I am going to be skeptical.

I also think we have the best RB group, even though Westbrook is the best individual RB in the East.

As do I. Currently, the Cowboys' offensive line is, at best, the third best unit in the division.
 

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The obvious:

Mcnabb is the best QB in the division right now. Romo has the most potential and Eli has the hardware.
Mcnabb
Eli
Romo


The Cowboys Running backs are deep deep deep. Felix, Barber, Choice >>> the division.

Cowboys
Giants
Commanders
eagles

Just my opinion.
 

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DallasDomination;2840748 said:
The obvious:

Mcnabb is the best QB in the division right now. Romo has the most potential and Eli has the hardware.
Mcnabb
Eli
Romo

I'd definitely disagree with this as 'obvious'.

Romo had a better completion rate (in a non-West Coast offense), a better overall rating and threw for more TD's despite missing several games.

McNabb's best days are behind him.
 

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I'm going to give this a try. This is my best effort to be subjective.

QBs

1...Giants. Manning is durable so his backups aren't as big a factor. He has a Super Bowl and two NFC East crowns and 4 straight playoff appearances. That earns Giants top spot.

2...Cowboys. Romo has more big offense potential than any other starter and Kitna is the most proven backup if Romo gets hurt.

3...Eagles. McNabb's best years are behind him. If he were in the NFC North he might be #1. Talent in the East pushes him down.

4...Commanders. Campbell is nothing more than a de facto starter. I believe Brennan will start for them sometime this season.


RBs

1...Cowboys. Felix Jones is the X factor. Defenses will have to contain him at some point. Barber and Choice have proven that they can carry the load. Jones is the assassin.

2...Giants. Their RBs are all proven. They would be #1 in almost any other division, but they lack the home run threat to keep them #1 in the East.

3...Commanders. Portis is a horse and Cartwright is way under rated by too many fans. Their FBs are top notch. A #3 ranking here is not an insult at all. They could easily be #1 if they had a better passing game to compliment the talent at RB.

4...Eagles. Westbrook is the single most dangerous back in the NFC (not just NFC East) but he is a danger to his own team with how often he gets nicked up.


WRs

1...Commanders. I think it is wrong to combine WRs and TE for this category because Dallas gets an unfair push up the list. The Commanders deserve a top spot alone here with the most proven corps of WRs in the division.

2...Eagles. At one time this was the biggest weakness on their Offense. Now it is becoming a strength.

3...Cowboys. I think Roy Williams will explode in 2009 and push this ranking to the top. But he hasn't yet and they don't deserve to be any higher than this until they do. Crayton has time at #2 and Austin could definitely move them up. But that is on paper only. It has to happen in the real world first.

4...Giants. They faltered once Burress left his brain at home and shot himself in the leg. Now the stalwart Toomer is gone too. I do like Steve Smith though and think they too could move up the scale.


TEs

1...Cowboys. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Jason Witten is the best TE in the NFL and Bennett could start for 20 other teams, maybe more. He would start for the bottom 2 teams in the division. Of the positions on Offense this group has the widest gap to #2.

2...Commanders. Chris Cooley is a top 5 TE in the NFL.

3...Giants. I thought they'd suffer without Shockey but they honestly didn't.

4...Eagles. I remember fondly when ajm1613 was telling us that L.J. Smith was a better TE than Witten because he was drafted higher.


OLs

1...Giants. Is there any doubt really? Not in my mind.

2...Cowboys. 3 of the 5 have been Pro Bowl players. 2 are legitimate threats every year.

3...Eagles. Just like with the Commanders #3 at RB this is not an insult. A top notch O-line.

4...Commanders. May be the only spot weaker than their starting QB. A bad omen.
 

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Quaterbacks
1) Giants
2) Cowboys
3) Eagles
4) Commanders

My number one selection won't be popular. I concede and accept that. However, although he lacks the grandiose stats of other quarterbacks, Eli runs his offense as well as any quarterback in the league, and he's won a Super Bowl.


Running Backs
1) Cowboys
2) Eagles
3) Giants
4) Commanders

I'm evaluating the quality of the unit as a whole, and no team in the NFC East can boast three running backs of the quality of Marion Barber, Felix Jones, and Tashard Choice.


Receivers

1) Eagles
2) Cowboys
3) Commanders
4) Giants

The Eagles have solid depth here, and excellent potential with Desean Jackson.


Tight Ends

1) Cowboys
2) Commanders
3) Eagles
4) Giants

This isn't even debatable. Witten is, far and away, the premiere tight end in the division, and Bennett may be the third best.


Offensive Lines
1) Giants
2) Eagles
3) Cowboys
4) Commanders

The Giants and Eagles have comparable line quality, and the Cowboys linemen have much to prove next season.
 

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Skinsmaniac;2840192 said:
I think you're penalizing Washington and Philly a little too much because they use a primary back. There's no need to split carries when you can hand a guy the ball 25 times a game (or in Philly's case run and pass him the ball 25 times per game).


In Philly's case, I feel they don't run Westbrook into the ground as much as Gibbs did with Portis. Giving a 205lbs RB the ball as much as Gibbs did was stupid. Especially with Betts on the bench.

I do agree with your point though. At this point, if I could choose one back in the division, it would probably be Westbrook. I think all 4 teams have good RBs. But as a UNIT you have to give NY and Dallas the nod.
 

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QBs

1) Cowboys - I feel Romo is the most talented and explosive playmaker at this point among all the quarterbacks. McNabb has seen better days and Eli is solid but not spectacular. He really missed Burress last season but we'll have to wait and see how the loss of TO effects Romo. As for Campbell, what does it say when your team tries so desperately to replace you? And I would say that Kitna is the division's best backup QB.

2) Giants - Eli's got a ring and an MVP trophy, can't take that away from him. He avoids the big mistakes, something Romo is still learning. Carr has looked decent in New York in his limited opportunities.

3) Eagles - McNabb's best years are behind him, although his receiving corps looks to be better than it's been in - forever. Kolb has been lousy when given the chance and looks like a wasted draft pick.

4) Commanders - Campbell is obviously the weakest in the division. Colt Brennan will probably take over at some point this year.


RBs

1) Cowboys - The Cowboys have the best trio in the division. They've got a pounder in Barber, a homerun threat in Jones, and an excellent, well-rounded #3 in Choice.

2) Giants - Two top quality backs with only the #3 in doubt, simply because we haven't seen him.

3) Commanders - Portis is a great running back, but I think the wear and tear is really starting to show, he really faded last year, and Betts gets nicked as well. Good quality but questionable durability.

4) Eagles - Westbrook is great and arguably the most versatile and dangerous back in the league, but, like Portis, wear and tear are starting to show. Unlike Portis, there isn't a proven backup.

WRs

1) Eagles - What was a perpetual weakness could now be a strength. DeSean Jackson was a steal last season and provided a gamebreaking deep threat the team lacked. Kevin Curtis is a solid player who could excel in the slot and Jeremy Maclin was a solid pick, it remains to be seen how much he contributes as a rookie. Baskett and Reggie Brown provide experienced depth.

2) Cowboys - Roy Williams, despite questions, is still the division's most established wideout (as I feel that Santana Moss is on the downside). Patrick Crayton is a solid if unspectacular #2 who has proven capable in the past. Miles Austin has great potential but, like fellow backup Sam Hurd, needs to remain healthy.

3) Commanders - Santana Moss is still a quality #1, but I feel he's seen his best days, and that's a scary thought for a deep threat. Antwaan Randle El is and should always have been a #3 receiver. Last year's rookies have yet to step up.

4) Giants - This was not the same team without Burress and he won't be replaced - not this season anyway. Couple that with losing Amani Toomer and this position has huge question marks.

TEs

1) Cowboys - No contest. Not close. Witten is the league's best and Bennett is as good as many team's #1. Not much more needs be said.

2) Commanders - Chris Cooley is a top tight end and Skins fans hope Davis shows more this season.

3) Giants - Boss is solid but not spectacular. Matthews is a waste and we'll see what the rookie Beckum can do.

4) Eagles - I wonder if they'd like a do-over on the LJ Smith over Witten pick?

OLs

1) Giants - Not much style, but lots of substance. It was nice to see this group get some well-deserved recognition last season.

2) Cowboys -Plenty of names, plenty of talent, if the motivation and dedication match they could top this list.

3) Eagles - Excellent potential but I'll hold out judgement until I see how well they replace Thomas and Runyan.

4) Commanders - Too much age, too many durability questions, and too many question marks.
 
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I think we have the best set of running backs in the NFC East... MBIII, F. Jones and T.Choice are going to be special.
 

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qbs

Cowboys-kitna is the best backup in the division
Eagles- they have the best qb in the division
Giants
Skins

rbs
Giants-they've shown it
Cowboys
Skins
Eagles- westbrook and an unproven rookie

wrs
Cowboys
skins
eagles
giants

o-line
Giants
Eagles
Cowboys
skins

coaching
Giants
Eagles
Cowboys
skins
 

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You have to show it on the field so the following comments are speculation:
1) with overall offensive stability like he hasn't had, I think you will see Jason Campbell break out this year.
2) Devin Thomas is likely to have a very good year. Malcolm Kelly may contribute, too, but we'll have to see about his knees.

My point is this: you might be re-ranking the qb's and the wr's before Halloween...
 

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Sammy Baugh;2841189 said:
You have to show it on the field so the following comments are speculation:
1) with overall offensive stability like he hasn't had, I think you will see Jason Campbell break out this year.
2) Devin Thomas is likely to have a very good year. Malcolm Kelly may contribute, too, but we'll have to see about his knees.

My point is this: you might be re-ranking the qb's and the wr's before Halloween...
maybe wrs but not qbs. Romo and McNabb are way better than quincy Campbell. Eli is a good amount better than him too.
 

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Rampage;2841196 said:
maybe wrs but not qbs. Romo and McNabb are way better than quincy Campbell. Eli is a good amount better than him too.

Qb ratings for 2008:
McNabb 86.4
Manning 86.4
Campbell 84.3

interceptions for 2008:
McNabb 11
Manning 10
Campbell 6

completion percentage for 2008:
McNabb 60.4
Manning 60.3
Campbell 62.3

I'm not sure where you get "way better" from that, especially since Campbell is both the youngest of the group and the only one who has constantly changed systems.
 

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Sammy Baugh;2841370 said:
Qb ratings for 2008:
McNabb 86.4
Manning 86.4
Campbell 84.3

interceptions for 2008:
McNabb 11
Manning 10
Campbell 6

completion percentage for 2008:
McNabb 60.4
Manning 60.3
Campbell 62.3

I'm not sure where you get "way better" from that, especially since Campbell is both the youngest of the group and the only one who has constantly changed systems.

You left one out:

Touchdowns

Romo - 26
McNabb - 23
Manning - 21
Campbell - 13

Epic Fail
 

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Sammy Baugh;2841370 said:
Qb ratings for 2008:
McNabb 86.4
Manning 86.4
Campbell 84.3

interceptions for 2008:
McNabb 11
Manning 10
Campbell 6

completion percentage for 2008:
McNabb 60.4
Manning 60.3
Campbell 62.3

I'm not sure where you get "way better" from that, especially since Campbell is both the youngest of the group and the only one who has constantly changed systems.
QB rating is largely useless. One of the most important stats is yards per attempt. Campbell's is really bad. It needs to be at least at 7 ypa but it's 6.4 ypa now. He's not a bad QB, but he's not where he needs to be.
 

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Skinsmaniac;2841380 said:
QB rating is largely useless. One of the most important stats is yards per attempt. Campbell's is really bad. It needs to be at least at 7 ypa but it's 6.4 ypa now. He's not a bad QB, but he's not where he needs to be.

I don't think he's a bad QB either, he just needs a consistant offense and some patience.

But given your team's lack of patience recently, I expect him to get ruined like Patrick Ramsey.
 

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Skinsmaniac;2841380 said:
QB rating is largely useless. One of the most important stats is yards per attempt. Campbell's is really bad. It needs to be at least at 7 ypa but it's 6.4 ypa now. He's not a bad QB, but he's not where he needs to be.

You are absolutely correct that Campbell needs to raise his ypa above 7. My speculative point was that I think it will happen this year.
 
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