NFL Admits Refs mistakes in Hawks\Giants game Shocky and Toomer TD's

Jimz31

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Shockey never did a "football move". Yet, if it were at the 20, it would have been ruled no catch.
 

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If the Giants would have won do you think the NFL would be admitting this?

Seahawks | NFL admits to referee mistakes from Week 12
Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:57:37 -0800

Gregg Bell, of the Associated Press, reports the Seattle Seahawks were told by the NFL that referee Larry Nemmers made a couple errors in the Week 12 game against the New York Giants. The NFL said touchdown catches by Giants TE Jeremy Shockey and WR Amani Toomer should not have been ruled completions.
 

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I thought Toomer's TD was good, but Shockey's was not.
 

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I don't understand why Mike Holgrem would even bother with this, since they won the game. Now if they had lost it might make since.

But yeah Gibbs will be pissed. :lmao2:
 

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calico said:
I thought Toomer's TD was good, but Shockey's was not.


That's the way I saw it......Shockey's should have been overturned...Toomer's good.
 

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Quick question on Toomer's TD. Does anyone feel that after he gets his first foot in, it goes out of bounds before he taps his second foot?
 

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This is why the NFL needs to fine refs for bad calls. And if they make to many suspend them and even fire them.

If the Giants win alota good it woulda done the Seahawks for the NFL to say the refs decided the game with 2 bad calls. It would not change who won or lost.

Fining and suspending refs needs to be something that gets done. None of us watch ANY NFL game no matter who is playing want to see the refs decide a game.
 

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calico said:
I thought Toomer's TD was good, but Shockey's was not.

that is how I saw it.
Toomer's TD was not overturnable. shockey's was.
 

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Would the NFL come out and admit anything if it were the GIANTS that won?
 

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Jimz31 said:
Would the NFL come out and admit anything if it were the GIANTS that won?

No.

They already want everyone to forget that they gave them an extra home game this season.
 

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Wolverine said:
This is why the NFL needs to fine refs for bad calls. And if they make to many suspend them and even fire them.

If the Giants win alota good it woulda done the Seahawks for the NFL to say the refs decided the game with 2 bad calls. It would not change who won or lost.

Fining and suspending refs needs to be something that gets done. None of us watch ANY NFL game no matter who is playing want to see the refs decide a game.

If you fined refs or officials for every bad call they would make, then you'd have officials making no money.

We'd have no officials.....

then no NFL.

Every official in the NFL will make bad calls.....they're human. The bad calls you see this year are really no different than what happened 10, 20, 30 years ago.

Every team in the NFL will have at least one game lost to them due to crappy officiating.......it happens. Good teams can overcome it. Poor teams don't, then go on to constantly gripe about the officials (see Joe Gibbs).

I do think that officials should be held accountable in some way. An official with a relatively high number of bad calls should be dismissed or fined. But fining an official for a bad call in the middle of a fast-paced game is unfair....especially, when the said official is average most of the time.

To me, this whole "Admission of a Screw-up" is stupid. If the outcome isn't going to be changed, then why even bother admitting a problem? The NFL would be better served to support their officials publicly....and I'm not saying they should dogmatically agree with all the bad calls....just don't say anything about the calls at all.

If the NFL thinks a mistake has been made, then simply meet with the officials in question, put it on record, and say that a pattern of bad calls will cost them their jobs.
 

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I'm surprised the NFL saw indisputable evidence that both calls should have been reversed. I just watched the Tivo on both plays this morning, and they both looked like the correct calls to me. Shockey's left toe brushed the turf before the ball came loose (you can see the rubber pellets coming up out of the turf), and Toomer's right toe came down in bounds with his left foot still inbounds (you can see the blue paint in the end zone under his left heel).

The only thing that might have been invalid on Shockey's TD is if he had the ball long enough, because he had possession of the ball and both feet down in the end zone.
 

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Please tell me why replay can't be handled by the booth alone. Why bother with an on-field ref with his head under a plastic tarp?
 
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