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Ezekiel Elliott ruling: Fallout for Elliott, Cowboys, NFL players

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What it means for Ezekiel Elliott

He'll lose $93,178 for each game missed and is subject to bonus forfeiture (though it seems highly unlikely owner Jerry Jones would pursue that, given his very strong and public support of Elliott). It'll also be harder for Elliott to pursue another rushing title and earn postseason honors if he serves the full six games -- an impact that, his legal team has argued repeatedly in court, would constitute irreparable harm, should he serve his suspension while the case plays out. Elliott's appellate attorney, Andrew Tulumello, pointed out three federal judges have agreed with that stance in delaying the suspension before. However, three judges also had ruled against Elliott before Thursday, when the panel joined them. There also is, of course, harm to Elliott's brand and reputation from the domestic violence allegations that led to the NFL investigation and subsequent suspension. The court case is about the process through which an arbitrator upheld the suspension, not whether Elliott is guilty or innocent, but serving time makes it seem less like vindication even if the courts eventually rule in his favor.

What it means for other NFL players

Thursday's ruling showed exactly why the NFL wanted this case to play out in the Southern District of New York rather than in Texas, where the NFL Players Association filed a separate lawsuit on behalf of Elliott that eventually was thrown out by a different appeals court. In the Texas case, Judge Amos Mazzant made a point of saying in court he wasn't bound by the decision in the Tom Brady Deflategate case, in which a legal challenge to a suspension of the Patriots quarterback ultimately resulted in the suspension going into effect. Not so in the 2nd Circuit, where Judge Dennis Jacobs' first question Thursday referenced the Brady case -- precedent on a similar issue, in the same court, regarding the same collective bargaining agreement at issue in Elliott's case. The NFLPA has been arguing in all these cases that Commissioner Roger Goodell is overstepping his authority under the CBA and that the process is fundamentally unfair, but once again, the commissioner's power over discipline has been reaffirmed. Right or wrong, that sends a strong message to other players that Goodell will use that power and the courts have his back, in part because the bar is extremely high for intervening in labor disputes.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...uling-fallout-for-elliott-cowboys-nfl-players
 

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Ezekiel Elliott ruling: Fallout for Elliott, Cowboys, NFL players

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What it means for Ezekiel Elliott

He'll lose $93,178 for each game missed and is subject to bonus forfeiture (though it seems highly unlikely owner Jerry Jones would pursue that, given his very strong and public support of Elliott). It'll also be harder for Elliott to pursue another rushing title and earn postseason honors if he serves the full six games -- an impact that, his legal team has argued repeatedly in court, would constitute irreparable harm, should he serve his suspension while the case plays out. Elliott's appellate attorney, Andrew Tulumello, pointed out three federal judges have agreed with that stance in delaying the suspension before. However, three judges also had ruled against Elliott before Thursday, when the panel joined them. There also is, of course, harm to Elliott's brand and reputation from the domestic violence allegations that led to the NFL investigation and subsequent suspension. The court case is about the process through which an arbitrator upheld the suspension, not whether Elliott is guilty or innocent, but serving time makes it seem less like vindication even if the courts eventually rule in his favor.

What it means for other NFL players

Thursday's ruling showed exactly why the NFL wanted this case to play out in the Southern District of New York rather than in Texas, where the NFL Players Association filed a separate lawsuit on behalf of Elliott that eventually was thrown out by a different appeals court. In the Texas case, Judge Amos Mazzant made a point of saying in court he wasn't bound by the decision in the Tom Brady Deflategate case, in which a legal challenge to a suspension of the Patriots quarterback ultimately resulted in the suspension going into effect. Not so in the 2nd Circuit, where Judge Dennis Jacobs' first question Thursday referenced the Brady case -- precedent on a similar issue, in the same court, regarding the same collective bargaining agreement at issue in Elliott's case. The NFLPA has been arguing in all these cases that Commissioner Roger Goodell is overstepping his authority under the CBA and that the process is fundamentally unfair, but once again, the commissioner's power over discipline has been reaffirmed. Right or wrong, that sends a strong message to other players that Goodell will use that power and the courts have his back, in part because the bar is extremely high for intervening in labor disputes.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...uling-fallout-for-elliott-cowboys-nfl-players
In short complete and utter bull crapoola.
 

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My boycott of NFL merchandise, Sunday Ticket and anything where I actually pay for anything with "NFL" on it will remain in effect until the NFL is rid of Goodell and the NFLPA is rid of De Smith.

(P.S.: Its not that hard, you can still watch a game on TV or stream it online. You can still wear your jerseys and keep your Cowboys comforter and coozy. Just don't buy any new stuff. Come on in, the water's nice! :D )
 

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Ezekiel Elliott ruling: Fallout for Elliott, Cowboys, NFL players

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What it means for Ezekiel Elliott

He'll lose $93,178 for each game missed and is subject to bonus forfeiture (though it seems highly unlikely owner Jerry Jones would pursue that, given his very strong and public support of Elliott). It'll also be harder for Elliott to pursue another rushing title and earn postseason honors if he serves the full six games -- an impact that, his legal team has argued repeatedly in court, would constitute irreparable harm, should he serve his suspension while the case plays out. Elliott's appellate attorney, Andrew Tulumello, pointed out three federal judges have agreed with that stance in delaying the suspension before. However, three judges also had ruled against Elliott before Thursday, when the panel joined them. There also is, of course, harm to Elliott's brand and reputation from the domestic violence allegations that led to the NFL investigation and subsequent suspension. The court case is about the process through which an arbitrator upheld the suspension, not whether Elliott is guilty or innocent, but serving time makes it seem less like vindication even if the courts eventually rule in his favor.

What it means for other NFL players

Thursday's ruling showed exactly why the NFL wanted this case to play out in the Southern District of New York rather than in Texas, where the NFL Players Association filed a separate lawsuit on behalf of Elliott that eventually was thrown out by a different appeals court. In the Texas case, Judge Amos Mazzant made a point of saying in court he wasn't bound by the decision in the Tom Brady Deflategate case, in which a legal challenge to a suspension of the Patriots quarterback ultimately resulted in the suspension going into effect. Not so in the 2nd Circuit, where Judge Dennis Jacobs' first question Thursday referenced the Brady case -- precedent on a similar issue, in the same court, regarding the same collective bargaining agreement at issue in Elliott's case. The NFLPA has been arguing in all these cases that Commissioner Roger Goodell is overstepping his authority under the CBA and that the process is fundamentally unfair, but once again, the commissioner's power over discipline has been reaffirmed. Right or wrong, that sends a strong message to other players that Goodell will use that power and the courts have his back, in part because the bar is extremely high for intervening in labor disputes.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...uling-fallout-for-elliott-cowboys-nfl-players


And Goodell is screwing the owners for the next CBA - Strike by the players over this.

Let's not look at the evidence. Let's not take the recommend of the people the NFL hires to investigate.

Kangaroo court it Roger.

While the Commissoner does have the power to do this - it's best to think it through in fairness to all sides.
 

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My boycott of NFL merchandise, Sunday Ticket and anything where I actually pay for anything with "NFL" on it will remain in effect until the NFL is rid of Goodell and the NFLPA is rid of De Smith.

(P.S.: Its not that hard, you can still watch a game on TV or stream it online. You can still wear your jerseys and keep your Cowboys comforter and coozy. Just don't buy any new stuff. Come on in, the water's nice! :D )
This is not about Goodell
Don’t get why who is in the office changes the fact the office has the power to pass judgement on a players, effectively take their money and damage their reputations and future earnings, all without due process at all
Who the commish is doesn’t matter. The real issue is the power without any due process. The guilt even when proved innocent and that power doesn’t change based on who is in the office
 

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This is not about Goodell
Don’t get why who is in the office changes the fact the office has the power to pass judgement on a players, effectively take their money and damage their reputations and future earnings, all without due process at all
Who the commish is doesn’t matter. The real issue is the power without any due process. The guilt even when proved innocent and that power doesn’t change based on who is in the office
The power doesn't change, but the willingness to implement that power does. That's the point.
 

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It’s time to place the blame where it belongs on Elliott's behavior and the collective bargaining agreement which created the Personal Conduct Policy .

Goodell was instructed and empowered to clean up the league enforcing this policy .

Im sorry this hurts the team but if this situation didn’t arise and Elliott didn’t continue to stir up concerns while under investigation we wouldn’t be discussing it. This is the reality.
 

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What it means to NFL players?
Well,now they can be suspended for 6 games at the minimum,have their endorsement income potential destroyed by baseless allegations which produced no charges.
That is what it means.Now any skank out there can accuse ANY player of abuse of any kind without fear of any repercussion while the reputation of the accused is
damaged permanently.
What is the agenda here?
I certainly cannot wait for the civil suit.
 

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Today’s era with information available immediately and all the money at risk players will need to live in a bubble to protect themselves. At least during their time in the NFL. There’s too much at risk.

I wouldn’t even drive a vehicle or go anywhere in public alone without a witness. Good news is after their careers are over they’ll be set up financially to pursue and enjoy their lives without these concerns .

It’s a sacrafice and precaution necessary which will take more discipline than most young men in their 20’s.
 

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It’s time to place the blame where it belongs on Elliott's behavior and the collective bargaining agreement which created the Personal Conduct Policy .

Goodell was instructed and empowered to clean up the league enforcing this policy .

Im sorry this hurts the team but if this situation didn’t arise and Elliott didn’t continue to stir up concerns while under investigation we wouldn’t be discussing it. This is the reality.


Dude, it's still wrong for the league to suspend someone for domestic abuse when they weren't convicted in court, the league's own investigator said the accuser wasn't credible, and there was ample evidence she was blackmailing him. Stop white knighting. Sure, Zeke has done some things like pulling a top down and possibly punching a dude that were stupid and immature, but how in the hell does that warrant being falsely labeled a domestic abuser, especially in the NFL and especially in today's NFL political climate?! Do a few immature actions warrant being falsely accused and suspended? If so the entire league would be suspended. Your assertion is like telling a girl who was inappropriately groped by a man that it was her fault because of what she was wearing.
 

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Dude, it's still wrong for the league to suspend someone for domestic abuse when they weren't convicted in court, the league's own investigator said the accuser wasn't credible, and there was ample evidence she was blackmailing him. Stop white knighting. Sure, Zeke has done some things like pulling a top down and possibly punching a dude that were stupid and immature, but how in the hell does that warrant being falsely labeled a domestic abuser, especially in the NFL and especially in today's NFL political climate?! Do a few immature actions warrant being falsely accused and suspended? If so the entire league would be suspended. Your assertion is like telling a girl who was inappropriately groped by a man that it was her fault because of what she was wearing.

Elliott wasn't suspended for domestic abuse though.
 

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It’s time to place the blame where it belongs on Elliott's behavior and the collective bargaining agreement which created the Personal Conduct Policy .

Goodell was instructed and empowered to clean up the league enforcing this policy .

Im sorry this hurts the team but if this situation didn’t arise and Elliott didn’t continue to stir up concerns while under investigation we wouldn’t be discussing it. This is the reality.
Disagree.
This is not an application of the rule,this is abuse of it.Here is why:

-Kia Roberts,the chief investigator for this particular case interviewed the alleged victim 6 times.
-Kia Roberts recommended no suspension due to the fact that the alleged victim was not credible.
-The Columbus PD did not press charges after deeming the alleged victim not credible.
-The state prosecutor did not file charges.
-Was Zeke arrested or detained?
-The sworn affidavit from a security guard at a club claims the alleged victim was in a physical altercation with another woman around the time Zeke allegedly battered her.
-The electronic communications between the alleged victim and her friend reveal intent to do harm to Zeke.

What else do you need.Look,DV is abhorrent act.
I am 110% on board for suspending/banning any player who physically abuses his partner.
But if you are going to drop hammer on a player for DV,you better make sure you have a slam dunk case(Ray Rice).
Hanging that label on someone based on perception or over correction is tantamount to abuse.That is injustice.



This is a jilted lover who wanted to get back at Zeke.We cannot prove he did it or not,and by all the
 

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Elliott wasn't suspended for domestic abuse though.
Semantics. If Zeke hadn't been falsely accused, he wouldn't be suspended, especially for 6 games (even if they suspended him for the top incident you are talking a game or 2, max). Bottom line. You have to be blind to not see the league is overcompensating for all of it's recent failings and shortcomings at Zeke's expense. The league heard what they wanted to hear because they needed an opportunity to look tough on domestic abuse to save face. That's not a stretch, that's not a conspiracy theory, that's as blatant as the sun is bright. Zeke made some immature decisions but that in no way justifies the picture the league has painted of him and the toll it will take on his career.
 

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Really?
Then why 6 games?

If you want to argue the duration, that's fine but that's a different argument. I would also remind that the NFL tried to settle with Elliott and he refused. It could well have been fewer games had he negotiated with the League.
 

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Semantics. If Zeke hadn't been falsely accused, he wouldn't be suspended, especially for 6 games (even if they suspended him for the top incident you are talking a game or 2, max). Bottom line. You have to be blind to not see the league is overcompensating for all of it's recent failings and shortcomings at Zeke's expense. The league heard what they wanted to hear because they needed an opportunity to look tough on domestic abuse to save face. That's not a stretch, that's not a conspiracy theory, that's as blatant as the sun is bright. Zeke made some immature decisions but that in no way justifies the picture the league has painted of him and the toll it will take on his career.

I don't know if this is true or not. Zeke could have been suspended either way, I don't know.
 

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The second thing on the list of demands for the players in the next CBA after money should be the creation of a process where a truly independent arbitrator decides any squabbles between the league and the players.

The fact the players agreed to a process where the league can rule on matters between them and the players and then ALSO be the arbitrator is hilarious incompetence on the part of the NFLPA.
 

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Disagree.
This is not an application of the rule,this is abuse of it.Here is why:

-Kia Roberts,the chief investigator for this particular case interviewed the alleged victim 6 times.
-Kia Roberts recommended no suspension due to the fact that the alleged victim was not credible.
-The Columbus PD did not press charges after deeming the alleged victim not credible.
-The state prosecutor did not file charges.
-Was Zeke arrested or detained?
-The sworn affidavit from a security guard at a club claims the alleged victim was in a physical altercation with another woman around the time Zeke allegedly battered her.
-The electronic communications between the alleged victim and her friend reveal intent to do harm to Zeke.

What else do you need.Look,DV is abhorrent act.
I am 110% on board for suspending/banning any player who physically abuses his partner.
But if you are going to drop hammer on a player for DV,you better make sure you have a slam dunk case(Ray Rice).
Hanging that label on someone based on perception or over correction is tantamount to abuse.That is injustice.



This is a jilted lover who wanted to get back at Zeke.We cannot prove he did it or not,and by all the
The Personal Conduct Policy is very clear. It doesn’t need a “ slam dunk case”.
 

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If you want to argue the duration, that's fine but that's a different argument. I would also remind that the NFL tried to settle with Elliott and he refused. It could well have been fewer games had he negotiated with the League.

When was that? Much earlier in the season?

Joe Lockhart, from every link I've seen has seemed confident that the right amount of games suspended for Zeke was given, and that they were confident that the judges would see it that way too.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ion-upheld-not-looking-settle-case/784131001/

"We're not looking to make a deal. We are confident that our argument will prevail in court later this month," Lockhart said.

Back in October

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...turns-to-court-monday/?utm_term=.4a611605ec2b
In the meantime, there are no active negotiations between the league and the NFLPA about a settlement that would resolve the dispute and get it out of court, according to one person familiar with the case.

In terms of “any kinds of discussions to resolve it, there haven’t been any of those,” said the person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the legal case is pending.

September
 

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When was that? Much earlier in the season?

Joe Lockhart, from every link I've seen has seemed confident that the right amount of games suspended for Zeke was given, and that they were confident that the judges would see it that way too.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ion-upheld-not-looking-settle-case/784131001/

"We're not looking to make a deal. We are confident that our argument will prevail in court later this month," Lockhart said.

Back in October

Yes, was earlier in the process but I can not say for sure, exactly how long ago.
 
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