NFL Implements New Ball Handling Procedures

[Rogah]

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...ots-mike-pereira-changes-to-game-balls-072615

Anyone truly interested in a fair outcome for the New England Patriots would be very interested in seeing the results of the random testing which theoretically will be conducted in a wide variety of weather conditions this upcoming season.

Anyone truly interested in just hating on and punishing New England will simply resume as normal.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...ots-mike-pereira-changes-to-game-balls-072615

Anyone truly interested in going along with my BS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

FIFY . . . . . . .

BTW, that article has nothing to do with any "fair" outcome for the Patriots. It simply spells out the new process implemented by the league as a result of the Cheatriots getting caught red handed deflating balls in a sneaky manner to get around the rules of fair play and integrity in competition.

If we see Tom Cry Brady get ANY reduction in his suspension then we will all know the league has no interest in any "fair" outcomes, but only in continuing to provide an environment that makes cheating and skirting the rules plausible for Mr Krafty's organization.

 

[Rogah]

I'm a cry baby that has no interest in any "fair" outcomes,

FIFY

 

[Nightman]

They better get Tom's input on proper ball handling procedures.

 

[Rogah]

"It would really be something if these new procedures reveal that footballs routinely lose some air pressure during games, and that the whole Deflategate “scandal” was the result of nothing more than footballs losing a little air because they were used in a game." - Michael David Smith, in the understatement of the decade

 

[joseephuss]

"It would really be something if these new procedures reveal that footballs routinely lose some air pressure during games, and that the whole Deflategate “scandal” was the result of nothing more than footballs losing a little air because they were used in a game." - Michael David Smith, in the understatement of the decade

That still wouldn't explain why Brady was texting the trainers after claiming he didn't even know McNally or why one of them was nicknamed the deflator.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Love the title.

 

[Rogah]

That still wouldn't explain why Brady was texting the trainers after claiming he didn't even know McNally or why one of them was nicknamed the deflator.

No it wouldn't, but it sure as heck takes a lot of steam out of the main allegations being made.

This whole nontroversy exploded based on a lie that the league office leaked to ESPN. If the league office ever lied about the Cowboys in such a manner, the people in this forum would be absolutely apoplectic.

 

[joseephuss]

No it wouldn't, but it sure as heck takes a lot of steam out of the main allegations being made.

This whole nontroversy exploded based on a lie that the league office leaked to ESPN. If the league office ever lied about the Cowboys in such a manner, the people in this forum would be absolutely apoplectic.

It also wouldn't prove that the Patriots didn't do what they are accused of doing. Balls may very well lose air pressure during games and the Patriots also could have been deflating footballs during the AFC Championship game.

 

[Rogah]

It also wouldn't prove that the Patriots didn't do what they are accused of doing.

So that's why you look at the most significant pieces of evidence. On one hand you have texts which could be interpreted a bunch of different ways, and on the other hand you have the actual forensic evidence of how much the balls deflated. Which of those 2 would you consider more significant?

Balls may very well lose air pressure during games and the Patriots also could have been deflating footballs during the AFC Championship game.

Exactly, which is why this random testing will be so interesting. If the results show that the Patriots deflation that night is 100% in line with what happens in other NFL games in similar weather, that's some pretty hard evidence that they did nothing wrong. I'd say hard facts and hard data is a bit more significant than vague text messages where the star QB got a little mixed up about the identity of the part time locker room attendant, wouldn't you?

I invited the folks in the other thread (in the main forum) to do the math and apply the Ideal Gas Law to determine what science says a ball should deflate by in a 20 degree drop when it starts with a gauge reading of 12.5. For some reason, no one has accepted my challenge, but I invite you to do the same.

 

[joseephuss]

So that's why you look at the most significant pieces of evidence. On one hand you have texts which could be interpreted a bunch of different ways, and on the other hand you have the actual forensic evidence of how much the balls deflated. Which of those 2 would you consider more significant?
Exactly, which is why this random testing will be so interesting. If the results show that the Patriots deflation that night is 100% in line with what happens in other NFL games in similar weather, that's some pretty hard evidence that they did nothing wrong. I'd say hard facts and hard data is a bit more significant than vague text messages where the star QB got a little mixed up about the identity of the part time locker room attendant, wouldn't you?

I invited the folks in the other thread (in the main forum) to do the math and apply the Ideal Gas Law to determine what science says a ball should deflate by in a 20 degree drop when it starts with a gauge reading of 12.5. For some reason, no one has accepted my challenge, but I invite you to do the same.

There have been links provided by several different posters in many of the different threads on this site about Deflategate that provided the information of those very same calculations. What is the point of challenging posters if those numbers have already been provided? Or why not just provide them yourself?

You are really spinning these texts as being inconsequential. Brady lied about not knowing McNally. He wasn't confused. That is significant no matter what the possible forensic data may say. It can't be ignored.

That data hasn't been collected yet, but you are already jumping to conclusions. Nothing will be 100% in line. Too many variables. The data could possibly show that the balls deflate on their own, but that doesn't mean the Patriots didn't tamper with the balls in the AFC championship game. Both could have occurred in the same game.

 

[Rogah]

There have been links provided by several different posters in many of the different threads on this site about Deflategate that provided the information of those very same calculations.

Really? Where?

What is the point of challenging posters if those numbers have already been provided? Or why not just provide them yourself?

I have provided the AEI Graphic. I have also performed the calculation on my own. I've challenged others in here to do the same.

For some reason, the people in this forum are afraid of doing a very simple mathematics calculation.

That data hasn't been collected yet, but you are already jumping to conclusions. Nothing will be 100% in line. Too many variables. The data could possibly show that the balls deflate on their own, but that doesn't mean the Patriots didn't tamper with the balls in the AFC championship game.

Actually, it kinda does. If some other team's balls start at 12.5 in a rainy, 50 degree evening and they go down to an average of 11.0 at halftime, that's some pretty solid evidence right then and there that no tampering took place in the AFCCG.

Both could have occurred in the same game.

Now you're just repeating yourself, so I will return the favor:

Exactly, which is why this random testing will be so interesting. If the results show that the Patriots deflation that night is 100% in line with what happens in other NFL games in similar weather, that's some pretty hard evidence that they did nothing wrong. I'd say hard facts and hard data is a bit more significant than vague text messages where the star QB got a little mixed up about the identity of the part time locker room attendant, wouldn't you?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

That still wouldn't explain why Brady was texting the trainers after claiming he didn't even know McNally or why one of them was nicknamed the deflator.

Oh, you must have forgotten that "deflator" refers to the guy guy doing weight watchers

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Im really wondering what will be posted here when the random testing shows the balls at halftime for one team remain w/in the prescribed psi range and the balls for the other team have lost psi due to the weather - even tho they are being used in the same game w/ the same weather. . . . . . . . .

I mean those of us that are truly concerned about the integrity of the game . . . . . . . . . .

 

[DallasEast]

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...ots-mike-pereira-changes-to-game-balls-072615

Anyone truly interested in a fair outcome for the New England Patriots would be very interested in seeing the results of the random testing which theoretically will be conducted in a wide variety of weather conditions this upcoming season.

Anyone truly interested in just hating on and punishing New England will simply resume as normal.

At this moment (6:31 am CT), there are only twelve comments listed in the article's comment section. Did you contribute one of them? If so, which comment? Also, Pereira's story was posted on Foxsports.com at 1:44 pm CT yesterday. You posted the link on CowboysZone 75 minutes later. That's a significant delay. Do you subscribe to Fox Sports Daily NFL Team Edition, NFL News To Your Inbox--where you can choose your team, the New England Patriots, enter your email address, and click Subscribe--after reading and agreeing to Fox Sports Privacy Policy and Terms Of Use, of course.

 

[joseephuss]

Really? Where?

I have provided the AEI Graphic. I have also performed the calculation on my own. I've challenged others in here to do the same.

For some reason, the people in this forum are afraid of doing a very simple mathematics calculation.
Actually, it kinda does. If some other team's balls start at 12.5 in a rainy, 50 degree evening and they go down to an average of 11.0 at halftime, that's some pretty solid evidence right then and there that no tampering took place in the AFCCG.
Now you're just repeating yourself, so I will return the favor:

Exactly, which is why this random testing will be so interesting. If the results show that the Patriots deflation that night is 100% in line with what happens in other NFL games in similar weather, that's some pretty hard evidence that they did nothing wrong. I'd say hard facts and hard data is a bit more significant than vague text messages where the star QB got a little mixed up about the identity of the part time locker room attendant, wouldn't you?

It won't be 100% in line. There is a difference between ideal gas law calculations, lab experiments and real world experiences.

 

[Longboysfan]

That still wouldn't explain why Brady was texting the trainers after claiming he didn't even know McNally or why one of them was nicknamed the deflator.

I'm sure Rogah has some alabi for that.

 

[Rogah]

It won't be 100% in line. There is a difference between ideal gas law calculations, lab experiments and real world experiences.

The calculations and results will include an error term. You can account for an error term and still be considered "100% in line" with expected results as well as prior results. That's why the real world gives a range within which the balls should be, instead of one single, set value.

Sure looks an awful lot like you're worried that a random test this season might prove that a decrease of roughly 1.25 PSI is perfectly normal in a game played in rainy, upper-40's conditions. Why is that?

 

[burmafrd]

I bet the deflated balls made the difference vs the ravens. So Rogah at least ONE of your Lombardi's is as legitimate as a three dollar bill.

 

[Rogah]

I bet the deflated balls made the difference vs the ravens. So Rogah at least ONE of your Lombardi's is as legitimate as a three dollar bill.

Science can be your friend, if you'll only let it.

The balls were within range of where the laws of physics say they should be.

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