NFL Is urged To Investigate Officiating Crew From Dallas Cowboys at Detroit Lions Game

[BotchedLobotomy]

That offsides was insane. It couldn't have been any more clear. Even if it benefited us, that was a TERRIBLE missed call.

No it wasn't. This video capture is after the center had already started snapping the ball. I would say the ball had already moved the length of the football at this point.

 

[Runwildboys]

No it wasn't. This video capture is after the center had already started snapping the ball. I would say the ball had already moved the length of the football at this point.

And even after that point, Williams was running parallel to the LoS. The only thing that crossed the line before Detroit moved was his hand, in the air. Though, to be honest, if that ball has already moved the length of the ball, someone has his head in the neutral zone...unless he started moving after the ball did.

 

[MarcusRock]

There are often controversies involving refs, and unfortunately, human error is always going to be part of this game. Look at the Ravens game yesterday: Baltimore fans are livid over a weird erasure of a touchdown, plus a questionable call on a roughing penalty.

Baltimore fans are livid for nothing regarding the TD. This was correct as called. You don't get a full 3rd foot down it's not a completed catch until then. Just emotion doing its thing. We know how that works around here, lol.

 

[blueblood70]

No it wasn't. This video capture is after the center had already started snapping the ball. I would say the ball had already moved the length of the football at this point.

Even though it's a still pick you can actually see that he's already turned the ball upward These guys are looking at the ball very closely The guy even flinches and maybe the referees can miss that but the players typically go on a flinch they don't take much...

 

[MarcusRock]

And even after that point, Williams was running parallel to the LoS. The only thing that crossed the line before Detroit moved was his hand, in the air. Though, to be honest, if that ball has already moved the length of the ball, someone has his head in the neutral zone...unless he started moving after the ball did.

The rule does state, "any part of his body ..."

 

[Runwildboys]

The rule does state, "any part of his body ..."

Okay, not sure if the ball moved before that or not.

When I was typing that, I was thinking, "Well, if the head's over the line, it's a neutral zone infraction, but that's in a stance, so I don't know if there's a difference."

I guess there's no difference then.

 

[MarcusRock]

Okay, not sure if the ball moved before that or not.

When I was typing that, I was thinking, "Well, if the head's over the line, it's a neutral zone infraction, but that's in a stance, so I don't know if there's a difference."

I guess there's no difference then.

I think the heads are in the neutral zone too like you observed if the ball has moved even a little already in that shot.

 

[Runwildboys]

Baltimore fans are livid for nothing regarding the TD. This was correct as called. You don't get a full 3rd foot down it's not a completed catch until then. Just emotion doing its thing. We know how that works around here, lol.

It seems like it should be the same as getting two feet down before going OB, but if you got two feet down but lost the ball as you went OB, it would still be incomplete.

NFL rules are weird.

 

[MarcusRock]

It seems like it should be the same as getting two feet down before going OB, but if you got two feet down but lost the ball as you went OB, it would still be incomplete.

NFL rules are weird.

Well, it is the same as catching a pass while going out of bounds. The rules are spelled out inclusive of "in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone." Control, two feet, and/or football move (or time enough for one) or surviving the ground if you go down before taking a 3rd step.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Dak was sacked in the end zone. It was a safety and the refs just made it go away. Ive heard none of you mention it.

People in here never think we get away with anything.

As soon as I saw this thread... I knew the Zaney Zoners would focus on the OPI, but then discount the other half of it (where Detroit also got screwed)

It's called victim mentality.... aka Loser Mentality

The Refs could throw 30 flags on the other team....and they'd still be crying foul

 

[pansophy]

I thought this might be click bait so researched it online and got the following. Still seems a bit short on detail (like - who did the ordering!) to me so no idea.
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The NFL has been urged to investigate the officiating crew from the recent game between the Dallas Cowboys and Detroit Lions due to several controversial calls that significantly impacted the game's outcome. Critics, including former referees and sports commentators, have expressed concerns over missed penalties and questionable decisions made during the match.

Investigation into Officiating Crew​

The NFL has been directed to investigate the officiating crew that managed the recent game between the Dallas Cowboys and the Detroit Lions. This decision follows widespread criticism regarding several controversial calls made during the match, which ended with the Lions defeating the Cowboys 44-30.

Key Controversies​

• Offensive Pass Interference Call: A critical moment occurred late in the game when Cowboys tight end Jake Ferguson was penalized for offensive pass interference. This call was heavily criticized, with commentators and analysts stating they did not see any interference on the play. The penalty was declined by the Lions, which forced the Cowboys to settle for a field goal instead of a potential first-and-goal situation.
• Missed Calls: The officiating crew also faced backlash for failing to call a clear offsides penalty against the Cowboys earlier in the game, which led to the Lions punting instead of capitalizing on a potential big play.

Reactions​

The officiating has drawn ire from fans and analysts alike, with many expressing concerns over the integrity of the game. Some fans even suggested that the referees were favoring the Cowboys, leading to accusations of biased officiating. Prominent figures in sports media have labeled the officiating as a "disaster," calling for accountability and improvements in officiating standards.

It sounds like the crew was just bad or had a bad night.

 

[Relayer]

“Ordered”? “Directed?” Was it by an upset fan or by a YouTuber drama starter? Did they send in a ***BLOCKED*** request like the guy who asked the government to build a Deathstar?

Here’s a novel thought: the NFL makes the same money whether Dallas or Detroit wins. If they wanted to make more, they’d get Dallas into more playoff games. This isn’t refs fixing games, this is just reffing being really really hard. If Thursday’s game was too much to handle, then football isn’t for you.

My concern, and not with this game specifically, is the gambling aspect.

 

[Relayer]

People in here never think we get away with anything.

As soon as I saw this thread... I knew the Zaney Zoners would focus on the OPI, but then discount the other half of it (where Detroit also got screwed)

It's called victim mentality.... aka Loser Mentality

The Refs could throw 30 flags on the other team....and they'd still be crying foul

There was literally a shot shown directly down the goal line where it showed Dak got the ball over the line when he was hit. The original one they showed was the perspective from the 1 yard line and the angle made it look like he was still in the end zone.

 

[Relayer]

I've watched that play several times, and nobody actually got into the neutral zone until the ball was snapped. One hand crossed the plane in the air, but I don't know if that counts.

Considering the right guard throws his hand past the line every single offensive snap in a road game and it doesn't get called?

 

[Relayer]

If you watch the very beginning of the play the Cowboys should have also been called for illegal motion. #71 moved early.

But hey, the refs are biased against Dallas and should be investigated.....

If the NFL wanted Dallas to miss the playoffs why did the Chiefs, Iggs, and Raiders get flagged for what seemed like season highs when they played Dallas?

Because the refs want their face time and Cowboys games are always some of the most watched.

 

[Relayer]

If that was true enough for the league to skew games to make it happen, then the windfall they’d get from the Cowboys getting blown out in a SB would be unprecedented. But your theory says watching Rams-Bengals or Broncos-Panthers gets them more money when Dallas has been on the couch for a month. Either way it contradicts itself

This is a coping mechanism for fans who can’t accept their franchise is doing it to themselves. Not an individual bad call, but longterm delinquency. And I’m not taking shots here, Eagles forums have just as many people who think like you do. “Dallas came back from 21-0 not because they’re good, but watching the Eagles collapse and Dallas win is a gold mine for the NFL.” Every fanbase has fans who think this exact thing. “Browns can never be good or the league would lose money.” “Giants need to be bad or NY winning every year like they should would be boring for viewers.” “New England is being punished for -insert victim complex here-.”

If you add up everyone’s conspiracy theories and combine then, the outcome would be that the NFL is consistently unfair to everyone.

There's a saying about don't blame something on a conspiracy when incompetence perfectly describes it. I don't remember it exactly, but that's the jist.

 

[Relayer]

With all of the new rules implemented over the last 20 years in the NFL, the game has turned into a joke. The officials have always been bad but now with all of the crap the owners have put on them to decipher it’s just a mess.

You can’t hit or play defense anymore. They want more offense because that makes them more money. It’s patty cake now, not football.

I get really annoyed when there's a shootout and the announcers say it's the best game ever. Like defense ruins football or something.

 

[CowboyFrog]

The refs dont make the Cowboys suck... the GM does, look at what he calls an NFL LB...

 

[Relayer]

Hochuli's crew just sucks. They made bad calls for both sides, although the Ferguson call may have been the worst. It is a shame that this multi-billion dollar industry has to be tarnished every week by poor officiating and the NFL does nothing about it. Goodell is just to focused on things other than the game itself. The product gets worse every year.

I don't believe there is any kind of corruption going on, like refs fixing games. I have no evidence of that. At this point I just think it is incompetence. But it doesn't hurt to investigate the refs and see if there is any funny business going on. If it's incompetence maybe it is time to go to full time refs who are trained and retrained and graded based on the calls they make or miss.

I the Cowboys Lions game, the OPI calls on Ferguson and Pickens were just bad calls. The Ferguson call should have been DPI and the Cowboys should have gotten a fresh set of downs at the 2 yard line. We don't know if they would have punched it in or not but it was a key play. The Pickens call was bad too. It negated a big play by the Cowboys.

But look at the two plays that were overturned after review. The safety, if you were watching, was clearly not a safety. Dak was hit outside the end zone and pushed back int. The Flournoy spot that was overturned was also clear to me at full speed when it first happened.

I am not blaming the refs for the Cowboys losing. The Cowboys lost because their defense is awful. The Lions score on 7 of their last 8 drives and the only drive when they didn't score was a block FG attempt.

But as I said, the poor officiate just tarnishes what was actually a pretty good game for 45 minutes.

When your kicker scores more points than the offense I'm not giving the offense a pass. They sucked too.

 

[Relayer]

I bet absolutely nobody in here was saying this when Philly and KC had 14 penalties when playing Dallas for over 100 yards (which was more than double the league average) and DPI after DPI kept getting called on them late game drives. Extending them and shortening the field. Absolutely no one wanted the refs investigated those games.

Everyone knows you could flag those two teams on every snap.