News: NFL: Jerry Jones: Cowboys gave Rodgers too much time

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I don't care if it was 2 minutes left on the clock, if the mentality is "we cant score too early because there's a bogeyman on the other team" you need to fire your defensive coordinator. This team has been playing and coaching scared the better part of the last 8 years.

The scoring is not what bothers fans, is the poor coaching decisions. No need to pass it on 2nd and 1 when you are slicing their defense like butter with the running game. You keep running Zeke until they are able to stop him. At least you force them to burn their final t.o and if they get a first down they run it again on 1st. This is football 101 not facing but what winning football teams do.
 

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A one on one pass to the outside is not a high risk play, unless the QB really sucks at throwing..

It's a high risk play because it has a low percentage of completion. You can argue all you want about it but that's the reality. In that situation, you don't want to stop the clock under any circumstances. The only way that clock should stop there is if the Packers are forced to use their last TO. They basically called a play that has a high percentage historically of being incomplete and giving the Packers a free timeout.

Dumb play call given the circumstances.
 

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The scoring is not what bothers fans, is the poor coaching decisions. No need to pass it on 2nd and 1 when you are slicing their defense like butter with the running game. You keep running Zeke until they are able to stop him. At least you force them to burn their final t.o and if they get a first down they run it again on 1st. This is football 101 not facing but what winning football teams do.

I agree with poor coaching decisions.. Garrett should have been gone years ago.

But it really wasn't a bad decision by LINEHAN.. Playing for time works with FGs, but Dallas needed a TD..

going prevent by Marinelli was the stupid decision.,
 

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I don't care if it was 2 minutes left on the clock, if the mentality is "we cant score too early because there's a bogeyman on the other team" you need to fire your defensive coordinator. This team has been playing and coaching scared the better part of the last 8 years.

Exactly.......You have trust that your teammates on the other side of the ball can hold up their end.
 

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It's a high risk play because it has a low percentage of completion. You can argue all you want about it but that's the reality. In that situation, you don't want to stop the clock under any circumstances. The only way that clock should stop there is if the Packers are forced to use their last TO. They basically called a play that has a high percentage historically of being incomplete and giving the Packers a free timeout.

Dumb play call given the circumstances.

On a second and one, followed by a third and one, it is not a high risk play..

Your argument of percentages doesn't take into account the formations a fade is thrown against..

Dallas could have been playing for the first down on the third to force GB into a timeout.. but the read option fooled that whole defense..
 

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On a second and one, followed by a third and one, it is not a high risk play..

Your argument of percentages doesn't take into account the formations a fade is thrown against..

Dallas could have been playing for the first down on the third to force GB into a timeout.. but the read option fooled that whole defense..

It was a dumb play call given how they operated that entire drive.

And regardless of the formation, a fade is a low percentage play that has a high chance of being incomplete. And gee, guess what? It fell incomplete and gave the Packers a much needed free timeout. It's one thing if on 2nd and 1 Zeke busts through the line and scores there. That's just bad luck in a sense.

But when it's your OWN ********* DECISION that results in the clock stopping, that's a massive mistake.
 

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The scoring is not what bothers fans, is the poor coaching decisions. No need to pass it on 2nd and 1 when you are slicing their defense like butter with the running game. You keep running Zeke until they are able to stop him. At least you force them to burn their final t.o and if they get a first down they run it again on 1st. This is football 101 not facing but what winning football teams do.
It's poor coaching on both sides, and I definitely don't want to let Garrett or Linehan off the hook. I just think its pathetic we're at a point where we cant expect the defense to not allow the other team to go 75 yards with a minute on the clock.
 

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I agree with poor coaching decisions.. Garrett should have been gone years ago.

But it really wasn't a bad decision by LINEHAN.. Playing for time works with FGs, but Dallas needed a TD..

going prevent by Marinelli was the stupid decision.,

Yes it was, any sensible coach would run it because you have a higher % of getting a yard than getting a completion there.
 

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It's poor coaching on both sides, and I definitely don't want to let Garrett or Linehan off the hook. I just think its pathetic we're at a point where we cant expect the defense to not allow the other team to go 75 yards with a minute on the clock.

It totally is pathetic.

But that's the situation we are in now. That's the situation Garrett needs to understand. And frankly, I think they kind of knew it too which is why they were painfully slow on that last drive, hoping to eat up as much clock as they could and leave Rodgers with 30 seconds or less.

Which then makes the call of a fade on 2nd and 1 perplexing as hell.
 

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It's poor coaching on both sides, and I definitely don't want to let Garrett or Linehan off the hook. I just think its pathetic we're at a point where we cant expect the defense to not allow the other team to go 75 yards with a minute on the clock.

Regardless you gotta be smart and this coaching staff is not
 

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Jerry once again blaming the defense to shift the blame away from Garrett... what did the offense do the whole third, when GB only scored 3? What about the offense giving the Packers a lead for a pick 6?

The last few years, philosophically you want the defense to play soft AND get TOs and then you complain when Ar marched down the field on prevent...

This guy..
We were not playing prevent.
We were playing single press coverage when they scored the TD and the play before when Lewis made a nice play.

The reality is that our defense has not been able to stop many people. Its not just Rodgers that does us this way.
Since the Giants game we have given up an average of 32 points per game. That is worse than even 4-12 teams give up per game.

If one wanted to blame the offense then you are saying you are comfortable needing your offense to score every time they have the ball.

When Rodgers tells a TV reporter during the game they will score every time they get the ball then that a HUGE problem. I don't remember ever hearing a player show such disrespect for a defense as that.
 

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We were not playing prevent.
We were playing single press coverage when they scored the TD and the play before when Lewis made a nice play.

The reality is that our defense has not been able to stop many people. Its not just Rodgers that does us this way.
Since the Giants game we have given up an average of 32 points per game. That is worse than even 4-12 teams give up per game.

If one wanted to blame the offense then you are saying you are comfortable needing your offense to score every time they have the ball.

When Rodgers tells a TV reporter during the game they will score every time they get the ball then that a HUGE problem. I don't remember ever hearing a player show such disrespect for a defense as that.
Rodgers and hi HC had 0 respect to our defense and gave the birdie to rod marinelli
 

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Everybody knew it but our coaches. When you're hoping that they only get a tying FG you know it's bad. I didn't even think that. I knew they'd score a TD.

This is what is wrong with the mentality of this team. At worse we will give Rodgers 3 points to take it into overtime. Are you kidding me you had a chance to finish them off , with any coach other than Garrett and Linehan we easily win this game. Stupid loss and now friggen Rodgers is a hero again.:facepalm:
 

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What did I tell you guys before the season. Linehan and Garrett are going to cost us two games if it comes to clock management. We have the worst coaching staff in the entire league.
 

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This is what is wrong with the mentality of this team. At worse we will give Rodgers 3 points to take it into overtime. Are you kidding me you had a chance to finish them off , with any coach other than Garrett and Linehan we easily win this game. Stupid loss and now friggen Rodgers is a hero again.:facepalm:
Mentality is just something fans get to yell about.
They scored 35 points. The Rams scored 35 points. The Broncos scored 42 points.
This isn't about Linehan and JG. Our defense is brutally bad.
 

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Yeah, a one on one matchup with the defense keying in on the run that scored in the first half was garbage..

We needed a TD, not a FG.. clock management with a FG, people would have a better argument.

Nobody needs a better argument - other than you.

There's a universal consensus that it was an awful call.

If you want to continue to look bad trying to defend it, that's on you.

The only thing you're succeeding in doing is indicting your own reputation and knowledge of football. Nothing more.
 
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