News: NFL: Jerry Jones: Cowboys gave Rodgers too much time

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So in essence he knows rhat marinellis D couldn't stop him with 1:13 and 1 timeout left.
WHAT a ringing endorsement of said DC's ability

There's not many defensive coordinators that will stop Aaron Rodgers with this dumpster dive defense. Whoever called that pass play on 2nd and 2 and stopped the clock needs to draw ire.
 

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LOL, I didn't realize expecting your offensive coaches to not go brain dead at a key moment in the game is "unrealistic".
I didn't realize that its realistic to expect your offense to hold the ball for 10 minutes straight with 10 minutes left in the game and score a TD only on the exact play you want to score with the exact amount of time left on the clock you want it to have.

Heck since this is so easy we should just do this all the time.....
 

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What funny about admitting what is obvious?
Do you think JG has the power to hire and fire his DC and OC?
Of course he is a figure head. This isn't breaking news.

I actually think if Garrett went to Jerry and asked for a new DC, he'd get it. The Jones family is all in on Garrett and that's obvious. So if their brother from another mother asked for a new DC to get over the hump, there isn't a shred of doubt in my mind, that the Jones' would give that to him at this point.

But I doubt Garrett would ever do that, which is part of the problem.
 

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Im to the point where we just need to blitz the guy every other play.

Especially when we have a lead.

Bend but don't break will not work against this QB.


Man, Press, Blitz... Rinse and repeat.

I'd rather have blitzed 8 on every play on that last drive and given up a quick TD worst case. At least Dak would have a shot at a win, unlike trying to let the defense stop AR.

Of course if we tried to let them score I'm sure they'd do the "stupid" thing and sit at the 1 and let the clock burn down and score with no time remaining anyway.
 

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"Goofy" is holding an offense to a standard that is unrealistic and will allow you to moan and complain after every game.

If you think Football 101 is "unrealistic", that's on you.

We can look at Mr Perfect Rodgers and find crap to complain about if they lost also. You have to be able to look at the production of the units as a whole and evaluate from there. Not cherry pick imperfections and try to blow them up into the reason we lost.


It was the call of the game! And it was called out at the time! There no "cherry picking" whatsoever.

You just want to try to let Football stupid off the hook because the defense was even worse.
 

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I actually think if Garrett went to Jerry and asked for a new DC, he'd get it. The Jones family is all in on Garrett and that's obvious. So if their brother from another mother asked for a new DC to get over the hump, there isn't a shred of doubt in my mind, that the Jones' would give that to him at this point.

But I doubt Garrett would ever do that, which is part of the problem.
Oh so now we are assuming stuff with zero evidence to support so we can justify blaming JG.
If and when marinelli is fired it will be Jerry's decision. And who replaces him will also be Jerry's decision. We have zero reason to believe otherwise.
 

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I didn't realize that its realistic to expect your offense to hold the ball for 10 minutes straight with 10 minutes left in the game and score a TD only on the exact play you want to score with the exact amount of time left on the clock you want it to have.

Heck since this is so easy we should just do this all the time.....

Your excuse making is embarrassing.

What makes your point even more ilarious is the fact that the offense WAS ON PACE TO HOLD THE BALL FOR 10 MINUTES. They were in a prime position to do exactly what you think was impossible. They were actually a few plays from doing what you said was unrealistic. They had a 2nd and 1-2 after a first down run of 8-9 yards and a clock that was running and going to be under one minute after the next play.

And despite that everything had worked EXACTLY as the coaching staff planned, the two dumbwads with offensive headsets decided that was the perfect opportunity to do something completely out of character with what they had done that entire drive and throw a low percentage pass play to the corner of the end zone that likely was going to result in a free timeout for the Packers.

The only thing that stopped them from holding the ball for 10 minutes wasn't anything the Pack did but rather because of the stupidity of the two coaches on the sidelines.

And then here you come, making excuses for them. But, but, but guys, they scored a lot of points!!!!!
 

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I actually think if Garrett went to Jerry and asked for a new DC, he'd get it. The Jones family is all in on Garrett and that's obvious. So if their brother from another mother asked for a new DC to get over the hump, there isn't a shred of doubt in my mind, that the Jones' would give that to him at this point.

But I doubt Garrett would ever do that, which is part of the problem.

The problem is that more bodies are going to be tossed on the altar to pay for Garrett's sins. Rob Ryan 'was the problem' and we got rid of him. Lane Kiffen 'was the problem' and we got rid of him. Now Marinelli is the problem. On the offensive side of the ball, we got rid of Callahan. We've done so many different things and yet Garrett still can't win. Jerry Jones infatuation with Garrett is a bit disgusting. We wasted Romo's career and we're well on our way to wasting Dak's career so that Garrett can still 'learn the game of football', when a 31 year old head coach in his first year has already beat him.
 

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If you think Football 101 is "unrealistic", that's on you.




It was the call of the game! And it was called out at the time! There no "cherry picking" whatsoever.

You just want to try to let Football stupid off the hook because the defense was even worse.
So now I am listening to the rambling of Joe Buck to determine the "call of the game"?
The read option for a TD was a more important call than that one.

And yes whenever a team scores in the mid thirties against us I generally blame the defense.
Was the offense perfect? Of course not. But if our defense was even a mid tier defense then we are 4-1 right now.
 

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Marinelli has got to have balls and blitz instead of this rushing 3 or 4 crap. Last drive I would have killed Rodgers with an all out blitz. Who cares go for it. You know what will happen in the end with Rodgers at the controls with a defense sitting back.
 

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Your excuse making is embarrassing.

What makes your point even more ilarious is the fact that the offense WAS ON PACE TO HOLD THE BALL FOR 10 MINUTES. They were in a prime position to do exactly what you think was impossible. They were actually a few plays from doing what you said was unrealistic. They had a 2nd and 1-2 after a first down run of 8-9 yards and a clock that was running and going to be under one minute after the next play.

And despite that everything had worked EXACTLY as the coaching staff planned, the two dumbwads with offensive headsets decided that was the perfect opportunity to do something completely out of character with what they had done that entire drive and throw a low percentage pass play to the corner of the end zone that likely was going to result in a free timeout for the Packers.

The only thing that stopped them from holding the ball for 10 minutes wasn't anything the Pack did but rather because of the stupidity of the two coaches on the sidelines.

And then here you come, making excuses for them. But, but, but guys, they scored a lot of points!!!!!
We are the 4th worst team in the league in points allowed.
We are the 7th best in points scored.
Your point was?
 

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Great.

What's that got to do with that play at that time in that situation at that spot on the field?

Nothing. This isn't about what Dez can or can't do. It's a low percentage play regardless of the WR.

And guess what? The outcome of the game tells us just how dumb a call it was.
I'm not really going to argue about a team down 4 going for a td with 100 seconds on the clock on a drive that spanned 17 plays 79 yards and 8:43 of game clock.

I'm just not going to do it. This discussion was had last night and because we scored the td everyone assumes "well of course we did" as if it's that simple.

Hint: It's not.

Hint 2: Results oriented people will always use an outcome and work backwards and can tell any narrative they please.
 

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We are the 4th worst team in the league in points allowed.
We are the 7th best in points scored.
Your point was?

My point is that just because they are 7th in points doesn't mean the staff can't do dumb things.

And they did a dumb thing on 2nd and 1.
 

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So now I am listening to the rambling of Joe Buck to determine the "call of the game"?

If you can manage to take your hands off of your eyes for a second, take a look anywhere.

What did Hall of Famer and actual winner Troy Aikman's say about it?

What has every recap of the game said? Even on the team website.

What did the owner himself say?

But no, ignore all of it. They're all "wrong" and you're "right".

:facepalm:

The read option for a TD was a more important call than that one.

And yes whenever a team scores in the mid thirties against us I generally blame the defense.
Was the offense perfect? Of course not. But if our defense was even a mid tier defense then we are 4-1 right now.

Again, nobody's ever said "perfect". Keep trying to create your straw man. Desperation.
 

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Exactly... excuses about personnel and talent every year while the coaches call conservative crap


They ran the ball purposefulky, because they couldn't get anything going passing the whole third with underneath checkdown routes to Witten and Williams, the latter resulting in an INT for a TD..

They finally decided to run left with power running packages and towards the left side and it worked out. Hardly trying to run the clock down..

A one on one pass to the outside is not a high risk play, unless the QB really sucks at throwing..

Not true at all. They had the ball 1 possession in the third qtr and Williams got tripped up on a play that he should have easily gotten a first down.

"The whole third" why do you try to play that game? The whole 3rd the defense sucked and couldn't get off the field!!!
 

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I'm not really going to argue about a team down 4 going for a td with 100 seconds on the clock on a drive that spanned 17 plays 79 yards and 8:43 of game clock.

I'm just not going to do it. This discussion was had last night and because we scored the td everyone assumes "well of course we did" as if it's that simple.

Hint: It's not.

Hint 2: Results oriented people will always use an outcome and work backwards and can tell any narrative they please.

Unnecessary and dumb play call.

The fact they did what they did on the previous plays of that drive highlights what a dumb call it was.

The spent the entire drive using safe passes and Elliott up the gut to move the ball methodically down the field to eat up as much time as they can. It was plainly obvious to anyone watching that Garrett had no intention of leaving Rodgers a lot of time on the clock if he could work the drive that way.

And it was working perfectly............. until the nitwit decided that at that spot, in that situation, was the perfect time to throw a low percentage pass play in there that has a strong likelihood of being incomplete and resulting in a free timeout for the Packers. I have no complaints if they run on 2nd and 1 and Elliott just scores. I have no complaints if they run play action there and hit a wide open Witten for a TD on an easy pass.

But to dial up a fade pattern is a classic case of this dumb coaching staff overthinking a situation and losing all sense of logic.
 

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There's not many defensive coordinators that will stop Aaron Rodgers with this dumpster dive defense. Whoever called that pass play on 2nd and 2 and stopped the clock needs to draw ire.
And Jared Goff?
 

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Unnecessary and dumb play call.

The fact they did what they did on the previous plays of that drive highlights what a dumb call it was.

The spent the entire drive using safe passes and Elliott up the gut to move the ball methodically down the field to eat up as much time as they can. It was plainly obvious to anyone watching that Garrett had no intention of leaving Rodgers a lot of time on the clock if he could work the drive that way.

And it was working perfectly............. until the nitwit decided that at that spot, in that situation, was the perfect time to throw a low percentage pass play in there that has a strong likelihood of being incomplete and resulting in a free timeout for the Packers. I have no complaints if they run on 2nd and 1 and Elliott just scores. I have no complaints if they run play action there and hit a wide open Witten for a TD on an easy pass.

But to dial up a fade pattern is a classic case of this dumb coaching staff overthinking a situation and losing all sense of logic.
Wait..What?
So you would have no problem is instead of the fade they would have ran the ball and scored on that play?
And you would have no problem if they would have ran play action and scored on that play instead of the fade?
So then the Packers would have gotten the ball back with a few more seconds on the clock and still had their TO and this would be Ok as long as you agreed with the play call?
 

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this team is about who I thought they would be with all the changes as the losing continues the cries will get louder and louder for garrets job and it would be the right thing but jerry is in charge so there is that I thought all along with zeke they finish at 8 and 8 or maybe 9 and 7 until the coaching and defense get fixed this team is what they are lost in the dark
 

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If you can manage to take your hands off of your eyes for a second, take a look anywhere.

What did Hall of Famer and actual winner Troy Aikman's say about it?

What has every recap of the game said? Even on the team website.

What did the owner himself say?

But no, ignore all of it. They're all "wrong" and you're "right".

:facepalm:



Again, nobody's ever said "perfect". Keep trying to create your straw man. Desperation.
They all agreed that our defense is so bad that asking for 1 stop was too much.
When someone asks if we are leaving too much time on the clock they are not bashing the coaches play calling. They all understand you don't just get to pick the exact play would will score on...its not even a given you score a TD.
What they all saying what is obvious....We have the 4th worst defense in the league in points allowed and we may not be able to stop them... This is not them criticizing a 9 minute scoring drive for the go ahead TD like you wish it was. And when its commentators they are building drama because that is a part of their jobs.
 
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