News: NFL: Jerry Jones: Cowboys gave Rodgers too much time

[TheHerd]

I still say Rodgers would have fried that NY defense. Landon Collins and Apple look like busts this year. Thier run D is not very good especially on outside runs. JPP after his big payday has gone MIA.

I think if we had that D the game wouldn't have come down the last minute. 125 yards and 6.6 ypc to who? I could be wrong, but I can't the Giants D letting that happen.

 

[risco]

It's bad when JJ agrees with all of us. lol

It's even worst that he is not owning up to the root cause of the problem!!!! Just get us a very good set of coaches to coach this d*** team!!!

 

[visionary]

You'd like to think that Jerry stores up all these gaffes from his wunderboy Garrett, but he doesn't. We'll sail to a nice 8-8, 9-7 record, miss the playoffs and Jones will be front and center defending Garrett and blaming "youth" and injuries.

It's depressing.

This
No accountability for the HC so how can he hold players accountable?

 

[khiladi]

Yes it was, any sensible coach would run it because you have a higher % of getting a yard than getting a completion there.

Based on what? That's rather subjective considering the defense would be stacking the line to stop Zeke. In fact, if Dak didn't run that beautiful play-fake, Zeke would have gotten tackled behind the line on that third as well.

 

[khiladi]

We were not playing prevent.
We were playing single press coverage when they scored the TD and the play before when Lewis made a nice play.

The reality is that our defense has not been able to stop many people. Its not just Rodgers that does us this way.
Since the Giants game we have given up an average of 32 points per game. That is worse than even 4-12 teams give up per game.

If one wanted to blame the offense then you are saying you are comfortable needing your offense to score every time they have the ball.

When Rodgers tells a TV reporter during the game they will score every time they get the ball then that a HUGE problem. I don't remember ever hearing a player show such disrespect for a defense as that.

When THEY SCORED that is what we played. Why on earth would one play prevent that close to end-zone?

The rest of the time on that drive, we were playing prevent and basically had a three man rush...

 

[khiladi]

Nobody needs a better argument - other than you.

There's a universal consensus that it was an awful call.

If you want to continue to look bad trying to defend it, that's on you.

The only thing you're succeeding in doing is indicting your own reputation and knowledge of football. Nothing more.

There is no universal consensus and if Aikman didn't say it to the world, half those guys wouldn't have said anything anywas. Statistically, you have no proof that teams don't pass in such situations.

I got people on this board saying Dak should have down it at the one on his TD run, as if that's common knowledge, when teams very rarely do stupid stuff like that.

What I said was it's not a big deal if they actually took a shot there, because it was a second and one. And the third would have given them another chance to run and burn the clock. What I said is its stupid to three man rush a QB and give him all day to throw, when you did nothing of the sort and held that same QB to six total points the whole second half, as if that same QB wasn't trying to score TDs...

 

[ilykdrama]

The fact that Marinelli wasn't fired on his way to the locker room is unbelievable.

 

[Sydla]

Based on what? That's rather subjective considering the defense would be stacking the line to stop Zeke. In fact, if Dak didn't run that beautiful play-fake, Zeke would have gotten tackled behind the line on that third as well.

Based on the fact that a fade pass into the corner of an end zone is one of the lowest percentage plays in football. There are articles out there dissecting the play and wondering why it's so popular in football. So what the coaching staff did was conduct a drive where they were keenly aware of milking the hell out of the clock with runs and quick, short, safe passes and then all of a sudden, when they were oh so close to completing a perfect drive, they go dumb and decide that now, with a minute and change, that was the perfect opportunity to call a low percentage pass play with a higher than normal probability of being incomplete and giving the Packers what they want.......... a stopped clock without having to use their last timeout.

And honestly, Zeke getting tackled for a 2 yard loss is a better outcome than throwing an incompletion on a low percentage pass play. Because in that situation, the Packers are forced to make a decision......... use their last time out to preserve clock or let the clock run and hope they can stop us on 3rd or 4th down.

 

[khiladi]

Based on the fact that a fade pass into the corner of an end zone is one of the lowest percentage plays in football. There are articles out there dissecting the play and wondering why it's so popular in football.

And honestly, Zeke getting tackled for a 2 yard loss is a better outcome than throwing an incompletion on a low percentage pass play.

Oh really, so putting us in third and three is better then a third 1...

We run the FADE ALL THE TIME and Dez scored on the opposite side on the very exact play the first half on the same coverage on a suspect GB secondary...

 

[Sydla]

Oh really, so putting us in third and three is better then a third 1...

We run the FADE ALL THE TIME and Dez scored on the opposite side on the very exact play the first half on the same coverage on a suspect GB secondary...

We run the fade all the time and don't have a particularly high percentage of completing it ourselves. The fact Dez caught one earlier doesn't change that reality. You can wish that it's not true but the fact is the fade pass in the end zone is one of the lowest percentage plays out there.

And yes, 3rd and three with Prescott and this OL is not a terrible situation to be in compared to 3rd and 1 and you just gave the Packers a free timeout and didn't force them to use their last time out.

It's simply mind numbing that people think the 2nd and 2 call was a perfectly fine play call.

 

[khiladi]

Not true at all. They had the ball 1 possession in the third qtr and Williams got tripped up on a play that he should have easily gotten a first down.

"The whole third" why do you try to play that game? The whole 3rd the defense sucked and couldn't get off the field!!!

You mean he got tackled and didn't get a first down, so it wasn't a success.

And like I said, that poor play continued INTO THE FOURTH, until their last drive, where they decided to hand the ball off the Zeke and stopped passing the ball.

And so what? That defense held Aaron Rodgers to 2 FGs until the last drive, when they decided to rush 3. You think Aaron Rodgers wasn't trying to score TDs than, but just wanted to save it for the final drive?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So in essence he knows rhat marinellis D couldn't stop him with 1:13 and 1 timeout left.
WHAT a ringing endorsement of said DC's ability

To be fair, most owners in this league would be in the same boat. GB is a very efficient Offense.

 

[Jake]

Not only did they give Rodgers time, they gave him 15 yards (and out of bounds) on a draw play to Jones by not lining up anyone over the B gap. They also gave him a 3rd down scramble when both LBs took the back and neither took Rodgers.

1 minute shouldn't be "too much time" if you actually play sound defense. But when you don't, you have to get mad at the offense for not waiting to score a TD as the clock ran out.

 

[khiladi]

We run the fade all the time and don't have a particularly high percentage of completing it. The fact Dez caught one earlier doesn't change that reality. You can wish that it's not true but the fact is the fade pass in the end zone is one of the lowest percentage plays out there.

And yes, 3rd and three with Prescott and this OL is not a terrible situation to be in compared to 3rd and 1 and you just gave the Packers a free timeout and didn't force them to use their last time out.

It's simply mind numbing that people think the 2nd and 2 call was a perfectly fine play call.

Let's see... You argue that this fade is one of the lowest percentage plays out there for the NFL, which has little relevance to it's success depending on the team, the player, the formation of the defense shown and so on..

Do we get intercepted on fades? Is that route known for INTs statistically in the NFL>

 

[khiladi]

Not only did they give Rodgers time, they gave him 15 yards (and out of bounds) on a draw play to Jones by not lining up anyone over the B gap. They also gave him a 3rd down scramble when both LBs took the back and neither took Rodgers.

1 minute shouldn't be "too much time" if you actually play sound defense. But when you don't, you have to get mad at the offense for not waiting to score a TD as the clock ran out.

The question is, what makes you think, from the previous 4 quarters of play, that Dallas wouldn't play sound defense and just make bone-headed blunder after bone-headed blunder on that play?

If you say their defensive coach, then there is no dispute there.. but that has nothing to do with scoring too early..

 

[Sydla]

Let's see... You argue that this fade is one of the lowest percentage plays out there for the NFL, which has little relevance to it's success depending on the team, the player, the formation of the defense shown and so on..

Do we get intercepted on fades? Is that route known for INTs statistically in the NFL>

Fades typically are thrown in ideal coverage situations (meaning one on ones) and typically you don't throw fades to your 4th WR. So if you are trying to argue that the fade pattern success rate is hampered by too many thrown into bad coverages and too many thrown to crappy WRs, that's a strange argument to make.

It's a low percentage play. That's just reality. You can argue that it isn't, but that's just arguing because you know you are painted into a corner.

In other words, of all the plays you could have called in that situation, short of a weird trick play, the fade pass had the most "bad" options for the Cowboys. It was a dumb play call.

And yes, interceptions happen on fades.

 

[khiladi]

Let's see............. you can refute statistical evidence and analysis, so let's try to muddy up the waters saying the stats are flawed. They really aren't because fades typically are thrown in ideal coverage situations (meaning one on ones) and typically you don't throw fades to your 4th WR. So if you are trying to argue that the fade pattern success rate is hampered by too many thrown into bad coverages and too many thrown to crappy WRs, that's a strange argument to make.

It's a low percentage play. That's just reality. You can argue that it isn't, but that's just arguing because you know you are painted into a corner.

In other words, of all the plays you could have called in that situation, short of a weird trick play, the fade pass had the most "bad" options for the Cowboys. It was a dumb play call.

There is nothing muddying the waters.. Your argument is that fade passes are generally lacking success. It has absolutely nothing to do with Dez's success at the fade route, especially when he scored on the very same play in the first half easily..

 

[Sydla]

There is nothing muddying the waters.. Your argument is that fade passes are generally lacking success. It has absolutely nothing to do with Dez's success at the fade route, especially when he scored on the very same play in the first half easily..

It absolutely does. Because we aren't particularly adept at completing the fade pass ourselves. In fact, many on this board have criticized Dak's inaccuracy at times on that pass when we try to throw one. This notion that Dez caught one earlier means he's going to do it again and again and again ignores history.

It had the highest percentage of being an incomplete pass. Ergo, it was the dumbest of normal play calls you could make in that situation.

 

[Dodger12]

I don't care if it was 2 minutes left on the clock, if the mentality is "we cant score too early because there's a bogeyman on the other team" you need to fire your defensive coordinator. This team has been playing and coaching scared the better part of the last 8 years.

Any coach at any level disagrees with you. It's not "playing scared" to control the clock on the final drive. It's smart football. It's part of the chess match between coaches.

 

[Diehardblues]

It's bad when JJ agrees with all of us. lol

I saw his post game interview and while he stated the obvious of knowing there was enough time for them to get a FG didn't concede a TD.
Big difference.