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[jazzcat22]

When I read this in the article.....



I thought to myself that this Assistant GM is not very good. Yes we did upgrade the RB position big time with the addition of Zeke and Alfred. But to say this team is "vastly" improved is idiotic.

And your reasoning?

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

And your reasoning?

In my opinion this roster is not vastly improved if he is referring to roster upgrades. As someone else responded maybe he was referring to that and along with the return of injured players, then maybe.

I haven't heard anyone, rather on this board, in the media or the coaches and front offices use the word "vastly" or any synonym to that word when referring to our roster!

 

[plasticman]

Eleven DE's drafted by the Cowboys in the 1st or 2nd round.....for a total of 5 Pro Bowl appearences....3 of them belonged to 1st overall pick Ed Jones.

I think they are better off using the saturation process than investing high picks. Some of our best pass rushers came very late in the draft, the 3rd round seemed to be the most fruitfull.

 

[cwbyfan72]

So . . . there was a joke there? Thanks for the heads up?[/qu

So . . . there was a joke there? Thanks for the heads up?

Jason Garrettism.

 

[conner01]

Mayowa is yet another of Jerry Jones' gambles that may not be worth the trouble of developing. We're sure seeing a lot of these . . . (sigh)

I'll be relieved whenever this organization sees fit to draft DEs early-on like it did when they treasured the benefits of a great pass rush.

What de did you want them to draft?

 

[Bullflop]

What de did you want them to draft?

I had hoped for Ogbah in the 2nd round but of course that wasn't meant to be. Admittedly, we were very possibly better off with Zeke in the first round than we might have been with Joey Bosa. The reference to my DE disappointment wasn't necessarily pertaining to this year, however. It was more of an accumulation over years long passed and also after DeMarcus Ware's exodus to Denver. Some of it was neglect and some was simply poor draft choices, no doubt.

 

[jazzcat22]

In my opinion this roster is not vastly improved if he is referring to roster upgrades. As someone else responded maybe he was referring to that and along with the return of injured players, then maybe.

I haven't heard anyone, rather on this board, in the media or the coaches and front offices use the word "vastly" or any synonym to that word when referring to our roster!

That's why I asking. Could it be from returning injured players, from potential from drafted players. As well as from players improving from last years draft in their 2nd year. Like Byron Jones now having a set position. I can see where one says vastly improved, another will just say improved, and some say won't improved at all.

In my response I was going to say, I would agree the word vastly should not have been used. But was trying to reply as I needed to get somewhere, and hit the reply button to quick. LOL. did not realize it until I seen your response.
I guess it's a matter of opinion. Maybe greatly improved is a bit strong too, but I can see how one could think that, if they get back to the 2014 offense performing and the defense gets better, even though it may be mid season before we really see that.
So maybe...greatly improved potential...as all teams feel that way right now....

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I'm taking it back to the last time we selected a DE and he proved dynamic. Normally, if you fail to take one in the first round, he isn't altogether likely to fit that mold. Gregory, of course, was a 2nd rounder and has yet to fulfill his original reputation and perhaps never will. We'll see. We're still awaiting a banner year for Crawford. Here's hoping he'll blossom this year but there's surely room for doubt. I think he's mainly best at DT anyhow.

Gregory was a rookie that missed most the season with an injury and still didn't look healthy. Rookie pass rushers very rarely come in and light it up much less when they miss most of the season with injury.

I'm not worried about production as I am with his drug issues. If he can stay clean and stay on the field I think he will produce but seems you have unrealistic goals for a rookie that missed most his first season due to injury

 

[Irvin88_4life]

That's why I asking. Could it be from returning injured players, from potential from drafted players. As well as from players improving from last years draft in their 2nd year. Like Byron Jones now having a set position. I can see where one says vastly improved, another will just say improved, and some say won't improved at all.

In my response I was going to say, I would agree the word vastly should not have been used. But was trying to reply as I needed to get somewhere, and hit the reply button to quick. LOL. did not realize it until I seen your response.
I guess it's a matter of opinion. Maybe greatly improved is a bit strong too, but I can see how one could think that, if they get back to the 2014 offense performing and the defense gets better, even though it may be mid season before we really see that.
So maybe...greatly improved potential...as all teams feel that way right now....

I will say vastly improve. Collins going into his second year and full offseason as the starter will help the OL improve.

Healthy Dez plus Butler will improve our WR.

RB is with no question upgraded with Zeke, Morris and Jackson.

QB play may be the greatest upgrade of all. Having Romo back will allow this team to. ....hmmm.....score

TE is a spot that didn't upgrade and any FB over Clutts is an upgrade.

Bringing in Thornton and drafting Collins is a huge upgrade for the simple reason Hayden is gone and we will be able to get some push from the DT spot now, not only that but Crawford was injuried last year and looks healthy.

DE spot I can see where some say we didn't upgrade but they are young and have a lot of potential there. Getting push in the middle will allow the ends to get home.

LB is upgraded with Jaylon Smith, granted most likely he won't play this season by future looks great there. I'm willing to say LB is the same until Smith can play

DB looks very deep. Jones has a spot at FS and will be allowed to focus on one spot. SS looks to have a great competing with adding Frazier to a battle with Wilcox and Church. Scandrick is back and that alone boosts the secondary not to mention CB Brown we drafted looks like a decent prospect.

I think we have vastly improved the roster, yes some are players just getting better, some are players coming off injuries. 4-12 roster isn't hard to upgrade since we could have used any spot to upgrade this offseason

 

[Section446]

Lets just focus on today, make today a good day.. Then start stacking good days on top of good days.

Makes me cringe.

 

[Bullflop]

Gregory was a rookie that missed most the season with an injury and still didn't look healthy. Rookie pass rushers very rarely come in and light it up much less when they miss most of the season with injury.

I'm not worried about production as I am with his drug issues. If he can stay clean and stay on the field I think he will produce but seems you have unrealistic goals for a rookie that missed most his first season due to injury

I fail to see how you've managed to assume I have unrealistic expectations for Gregory when I stated he hasn't lived up to expectations and may never do so. (The expectations I referred to weren't mine but rather those of others what fell for the hype that preceded his presence in Dallas.)

I think you might do well to reread my post and calmly take it as it was intended. My expectations for Gregory are and have been non-existent and will remain as such until such time as he had demonstrated he can avoid his pot-smoking ways and produce on the field as it might befit a 2nd round pick.

 

[speedkilz88]

All I know is that talent wise the sky is the limit for Gregory. But of course because of the off-field issues his career is hanging by a thread.

 

[Bullflop]

All I know is that talent wise the sky is the limit for Gregory. But of course because of the off-field issues his career is hanging by a thread.

Saying "the sky is the limit" might be somewhat of a lofty opinion. He will be severely tested to determine if his run coverage is sufficient. In terms of his ability to rush the passer, of course, he shows great promise with the quickness that is his calling card.

Even as a "rushman," however he has yet to demonstrate proof positive that he'll produce sacks generously in the pro ranks. You can't produce much if you cannot manage to stay on the field with any degree of regularity.

 

[LocimusPrime]

DE is huge question mark for this team, and this has been documented in the numerous threads on this site and by the local and national media.

Even without the suspensions, I had my doubts with Lawrence and Gregory as the starting duo. Please sign Dwight freeney who has 119 career sacks and 8 sacks in 11 games last year. Those 8 sacks came in 300 snaps. 1/3 of what Lawrence was playing. So sign him up and let him compete.

 

[DFWJC]

When I read this in the article.....



I thought to myself that this Assistant GM is not very good. Yes we did upgrade the RB position big time with the addition of Zeke and Alfred. But to say this team is "vastly" improved is idiotic.

Not sure, but maybe he's referring to the addition of Romo, Bryant, and Scandrick as well.
Massive upgrades at QB, WR...and to lessor degree, CB.
Plus a big upgrades at DT and RB.
So if it's vs the 2015 team, that would be true...vastly improved

But vs 2014....that at least would be debatable. I can see your point.

 

[Bullflop]

DE is huge question mark for this team, and this has been documented in the numerous threads on this site and by the local and national media.

Even without the suspensions, I had my doubts with Lawrence and Gregory as the starting duo. Please sign Dwight freeney who has 119 career sacks and 8 sacks in 11 games last year. Those 8 sacks came in 300 snaps. 1/3 of what Lawrence was playing. So sign him up and let him compete.

I truly believe our front office would be well-advised to do just that but getting Stephen to agree to the financial expenditure might be difficult, even though Freeney's advancing years might suggest it shouldn't require that much of a commitment.

 

[thisiscowboyscountry]

DE is huge question mark for this team, and this has been documented in the numerous threads on this site and by the local and national media.

Even without the suspensions, I had my doubts with Lawrence and Gregory as the starting duo. Please sign Dwight freeney who has 119 career sacks and 8 sacks in 11 games last year. Those 8 sacks came in 300 snaps. 1/3 of what Lawrence was playing. So sign him up and let him compete.

Nothing wrong with bringing in Freeney to compete and for mentorship. However, I dont think he solves de, but he could be a solid rotational player that produces up to a half dozen sacks. Only issue I see is where that places players like Russell who look to be taking big steps forward. As of now Lawrence, Gregory, Irving, Tapper, Russell, Mayowa, and Crawford have the greatest chance to make the roster, but there isnt room for all of them with or without Freeney.

Its likely Lawrence, Gregory, Tapper, Mayowa, and Irving make the team post suspensions, which probably only leaves one spot for Russell, Crawford and Freeney if hes signed. Tough call, which is probably why the Cowboys are waiting to see what they have in camp.

 

[jazzcat22]

Nothing wrong with bringing in Freeney to compete and for mentorship. However, I dont think he solves de, but he could be a solid rotational player that produces up to a half dozen sacks. Only issue I see is where that places players like Russell who look to be taking big steps forward. As of now Lawrence, Gregory, Irving, Tapper, Russell, Mayowa, and Crawford have the greatest chance to make the roster, but there isnt room for all of them with or without Freeney.

Its likely Lawrence, Gregory, Tapper, Mayowa, and Irving make the team post suspensions, which probably only leaves one spot for Russell, Crawford and Freeney if hes signed. Tough call, which is probably why the Cowboys are waiting to see what they have in camp.

Freeney will be a progress stopper. And bringing him in does not mean he will be the mentor to the younger guys. That is what the coaches are for. Though they haven't done an outstanding job of it. LOL.
See if someone emerges, and possibly wait until Gregory and Lawrence return, if it looks the can get by on the current players. If needed, then bring him in. As after game one, then his higher vet pay, won't count against the cap if he is released.

True there is not enough room for all of them even without Freeney. However the odd man out won't be like he will go to another team and propel them to a SB either.
My guess at this point.
T. Crawford, Thornton, Mayowa, Irving, Russell, T. McClain, Collins [if not on PUP], Tapper, J. Crawford, Walker. That is 10 DL,and then see who steps up. Adjust the roster accordingly if one is not needed like wlaker, then he goes, as he would go in place of one of the 2 suspended players. If he doesn't make the team at all, we have 9. Need to replace 1 or 2, depending on other team needs and positions, once the other 2 return.

So Gregory and DLaw return, Walker and if no injuries, I say J. Crawford are gone.
So T. McClain may have his yearly high ankle sprain, then he and Walker are gone.
If only 9 DT, and then J. Crawford is gone, and another position like if they kept an extra DB, then we are at 10 DL.

Quite a few possibilities and scenarios. then there are 2 players that can push others also, in Coe and McAdoo, but mostly likely they would be fan favorites as opposed to gems found as FA's.

Anyway we keep 9 or 10 on the roster regardless IMO.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Freeney will be a progress stopper. And bringing him in does not mean he will be the mentor to the younger guys. That is what the coaches are for. Though they haven't done an outstanding job of it. LOL.
See if someone emerges, and possibly wait until Gregory and Lawrence return, if it looks the can get by on the current players. If needed, then bring him in. As after game one, then his higher vet pay, won't count against the cap if he is released.

True there is not enough room for all of them even without Freeney. However the odd man out won't be like he will go to another team and propel them to a SB either.
My guess at this point.
T. Crawford, Thornton, Mayowa, Irving, Russell, T. McClain, Collins [if not on PUP], Tapper, J. Crawford, Walker. That is 10 DL,and then see who steps up. Adjust the roster accordingly if one is not needed like wlaker, then he goes, as he would go in place of one of the 2 suspended players. If he doesn't make the team at all, we have 9. Need to replace 1 or 2, depending on other team needs and positions, once the other 2 return.

So Gregory and DLaw return, Walker and if no injuries, I say J. Crawford are gone.
So T. McClain may have his yearly high ankle sprain, then he and Walker are gone.
If only 9 DT, and then J. Crawford is gone, and another position like if they kept an extra DB, then we are at 10 DL.

Quite a few possibilities and scenarios. then there are 2 players that can push others also, in Coe and McAdoo, but mostly likely they would be fan favorites as opposed to gems found as FA's.

Anyway we keep 9 or 10 on the roster regardless IMO.

In my humble opinion, you hit this out the park. Starting with Freeney and finishing up with your projected roster. I couldn't agree more.

 

[Cowboy06]

Mayowa is yet another of Jerry Jones' gambles that may not be worth the trouble of developing. We're sure seeing a lot of these . . . (sigh)

I'll be relieved whenever this organization sees fit to draft DEs early-on like it did when they treasured the benefits of a great pass rush.

I like the thought process, but I don't know if I want to think I have to draft in the first round to find good DE talent. But now that the team has a better draft team in place...why the heck not? Worked with the OL...may be worth a shot....all that to say...

I agree. LOL