NFL Network Top Ten Meltdowns - Romo number 9

[DallasEast]

Dallas East just made a totally mockery of my 'don't quote RedRaiderCowboysFan so I don't have to even see his posts' plea.

Did I "David Buehler" your mockery plea? Or did I "Bob Sacamano" it? I hope that it's more of the former than the latter. :

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Arguments about whether Romo is in the top 5 or not miss the point. The point is that he is good enough to win the Superbowl for the Cowboys, and you don't throw away a QB like that in the hopes of finding a Manning or Brady. I personally think that Romo is in the 6-7 range, but if Eli and Roethlisberger can win a SB than so can Romo. It's why I preach patience with Campbell. He's an average QB that has improved every year. It wouldn't take much for him to become a top ten QB, and that's good enough to win the SB.

 

[Hostile]

Arguments about whether Romo is in the top 5 or not miss the point. The point is that he is good enough to win the Superbowl for the Cowboys, and you don't throw away a QB like that in the hopes of finding a Manning or Brady. I personally think that Romo is in the 6-7 range, but if Eli and Roethlisberger can win a SB than so can Romo. It's why I preach patience with Campbell. He's an average QB that has improved every year. It wouldn't take much for him to become a top ten QB, and that's good enough to win the SB.

Great post. Too bad someone will ignore it because of your affiliation. I won't though.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

and romo's stats might be better per game, but you said career.
But based on their careers up to this point, Each have more yards and tds, and Rivers is only 3tds behind romo, and each have wins in the playoffs and 2 in the Super Bowl. And yes neither of the big 3 might have 36 tds in a year, but Rivers did lead the league in tds last year yes?

Examining a player's per game stats is synonymous with examining his career stats.

Do you honestly believe that comparing the careers of quarterbacks is as simple as looking at the total number of yards and TDs for which they've passed?

If so, I suppose Vinny Testaverde (46,233 yards and 275 TDs) was a better quarterback than Troy Aikman (32,942 yards and 165 TDs).

Obviously, per game averages factor heavily into any assessment of a quarterback's performance, hence the reason for having a quarterback rating.

But overall, romo's stats are still behind the big 3,

No. They aren't -- as several posters, including myself, have already shown.

and I don't believe Rivers has even started 39 games yet

Rivers has started 48 games over the past three years.

Just out of curiosity, what do you actualy do during football season? It clearly isn't paying attention to football.

Has romo? No. Having a high qb rating doesn't equal success, clearly because romo might have a higher rating but still has less overall career stats and playoff success. What would you rather have, a qb that succeeds in the playoffs or has a high qb rating but loses in them?

Playoff success is a measure of the team as a whole, not merely the quarterback. Romo didn't give up two runs of 80 yards against Baltimore. Romo didn't give up 35 points to the St. Louis Rams. Romo didn't surrender two special teams TDs against Arizona.

 

[DallasEast]

Great post. Too bad someone will ignore it because of your affiliation. I won't though.

It is a good post, but his post will be ignored by those who do not allow themselves to see all of the team's flaws and focused only on those they 'see' Romo has moreso than Skinsmaniac's Commanders association.

 

[lewpac]

I'll tell ya' one thing about Romo...................

Yeah, I agree that if someone did a expose' and a highlight film on Romo's career as a starter so far, that it would have more than an average amount of stroke-inducing adventures. No matter where you are on the Romo barometer, you gotta' admit that he's exiting and a story-a-minute guy.

But, you also gotta' give him props for being cool and collected and even and mature given all he's been through since he's been under center in Dallas. To THIS DAY, I'm watching him in this golf thing all weekend, and NOTHING gets this guy off his game.

From T.O. to the girlfriend thing, the "fumble" in Seattle, all the attention, all the fascination, the late-season "meltdowns", the injury, etc, etc, etc........
Hell, just being the starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys is living in a fishbowl 24/7..........

But this guy, he's one cool cat. I haven't seen him tweaked or gone sideways ONCE. He's the same cool kid through all of it. Never a controversial word. Never throws his team under the buss. Never goes public and blames the world for his trouble.

Either he's one mature kid, or he's got some top-notch handlers telling what to do and say. Because he hasn't slipped up ONCE given all the opportunities he's had to step right into it. This kid is going to win a SB for sure. I just hope it's for us................

 

[stilltheguru]

Great post. Too bad someone will ignore it because of your affiliation. I won't though.

I will ignore it because he says Campbell can be a top 10 quarterback.

 

[CowboyMike]

It's a long one folks. Read it if you like. RedRaiderCowboysFan most likely won't. ...

....Here’s a bit of advice which you’ll probably won’t take. TwoDeep3 is about the most critical poster on this board about Tony Romo. However, he can state his arguments without your obvious emotional Rivers/Manning/Roethlisberger baggage. Search the forum archives and learn how someone can make a solid discussion without ultimatums which forever places someone’s derrière firmly in a crack. Or don’t. Your choice.

/rant

Game. Set. Match.

Debate over.

Case closed.

 

[5Stars]

Game. Set. Match.

Debate over.

Case closed.

That was TOTAL domination! If I were RedRaiderFalconFan...I would be embarrassed to ever post here again.

Damn...that was a butt whooping if I ever read one on this internet...


(i better watch my p's and q's around DallasEast....he's brutal)!

 

[mnky2hvn]

He was comparing Romo to Ryan, not Romo to Aikman. How you turn that into him thinking that Aikman should have been benched is beyond me. And by the way, Aikman has three rings because he played on a better team than the current Cowboys team and one of the best teams of that era.

Consideration for what?

Because at that same point in Aikman's career (39 games), fans weren't sold on Aikman, and there were people yelling for the back-up, and saying we shouldn't have gotten rid of Steve Walsh, and Aikman was a choker in big games.
And look how it worked out.

 

[Hostile]

I will ignore it because he says Campbell can be a top 10 quarterback.

He can be. Is it likely? No, it isn't. He's in a WCO system that caters to reducing QB errors and padding stats.

 

[mnky2hvn]

And finally, I know Troy didnt win a Super Bowl by his 39th game. With your logic since romo's stats are so much better then Aikman's after 39 games, that must make romo a better qb. I bet you would be saying after Aikman's 39th game based on his stats, record, etc that he was terrible and should be benched. Since we know how Troy turned out, you can't really predict or judge how good or bad a qb is since Aikman went on to win 3 championships, but he never would have had the chance since he didn't post great #'s like romo has. You would have just kicked Troy to the curb. So ya, keep thinking based on romo's first 39 starts that you know he will turn out to be great and that 39 starts is a measuring stick for success. What if romo sucks it up really bad this year and they go 5-11, are you going to blame Wade, Garrett, Roy, or whoelse? Eventually the excuses are going to have to stop and romo will be held accountable. When this team gets a real head coach and a qb like a Manning, Rivers, or Big Ben, then we can talk about this team in a SuperBowl. So explain to me now how romo is better then these guys, since they have broken their team records, led the league in tds or rating, and have won playoff games and Super Bowls? Thats ok, because you cant!

The point is this.
You've given up on Romo after 39 regular season starts.
Using the same logic, based upon simply lack of playoff success, inability to win the big games, etc.; you'd have had to give up on Aikman after 39 STARTING GAMES, Peyton Manning after 39 STARTING GAMES, Eli Manning after 39 STARTING GAMES, and even John Elway and Terry Bradshaw after 39 STARTING GAMES, because NONE of them had won EVEN A PLAYOFF GAME at that point in their careers and were already being labeled as unable to win the big game.
History CLEARLY shows you are WRONG.

The Chargers aren't going to trade us Phillip Rivers, the Steelers aren't going to release Big Ben.
The QB position is SET on this team.
If you have an idea of who we could get to replace Romo that would assure us a Super Bowl victory, then you wouldn't be wasting your time writing on a forum, you'd be running an NFL team.

As for Matt Ryan, he's 0-1 in the big games, after just one year.
Let's see how Atlanta looks this season when they don't have the Chiefs, the Lions, and the Raiders on their schedule and have to play all season against a tougher schedule.

 

[casmith07]

Romo was prepared for NFL defenses as soon as he stepped on th field in 2006. Matt Ryan probrably still has alot to learn so the comparison is still stupid imo. Just a bunch of people who want to lump other qbs in with Romos failures.

by playing how many snaps?

Look at the schedule that Matt Ryan faced last year. Give me a break. He'll be truly tested this season against the NFC East.

 

[CutMeMick]

Damn, I too have rarely seen the TOTAL OWNAGE as I
witnessed on that post from DallasEast.
I'm not a Romo "fan", & rarely want to give him a break.
But I'm clearly not on the absurd level of RedRaidersCowboysFan-
so that beatdown was a thing of beauty.

Its ownage like that that makes posting on the internet
so worthwhile.

DallasEast, I salute you!

And to you RedRaidersCowboysFans, I say GOOD DAY, sir!:gent:

 

[RedRaiderCowboysFan]

Did I "David Buehler" your mockery plea? Or did I "Bob Sacamano" it? I hope that it's more of the former than the latter. :

Ben, Eli and Rivers all have more passing yards then romo, Ben and Eli both have more td passes and Rivers only trails by 3. Ben and Eli have 3 Superbowls between them, and Rivers has an AFC championship game to his credit. Now if you want to continue to believe romo is better then these 3, go right ahead and while those teams continue to win in the future as they have in the past while this team continues to lose, that will be fine with you as long as romo continues to pad his stats.

I like winners, and all 3 have all won more then romo, esp Ben and Eli. Can that be argued, no because romo has no playoff wins and no Super Bowl wins. While those 3 continue to prove why they are winners, what has romo won yet in the NFL? I want a winner, you want a stat padder which aren't exclusive to one another.

 

[DallasEast]

Ben, Eli and Rivers all have more passing yards then romo, Ben and Eli both have more td passes and Rivers only trails by 3. Ben and Eli have 3 Superbowls between them, and Rivers has an AFC championship game to his credit. Now if you want to continue to believe romo is better then these 3, go right ahead and while those teams continue to win in the future as they have in the past while this team continues to lose, that will be fine with you as long as romo continues to pad his stats.

It's gotta be ADD...

Really. I'm serious.

 

[coach316]

All I know is, with the quarterback wasteland we just waded through to get to Romo, I'd rather stick with the production Romo has given so far. Only time will tell if he will produce playoff wins and/or a SB.

I think everyone can agree, including the dude that is continuously getting owned in this thread, that Romo has what it takes to get us to the playoffs. I'll stick with that until he proves otherwise, rather than going back through that hellhole of a wasteland again.

 

[RedRaiderCowboysFan]

Damn, I too have rarely seen the TOTAL OWNAGE as I
witnessed on that post from DallasEast.
I'm not a Romo "fan", & rarely want to give him a break.
But I'm clearly not on the absurd level of RedRaidersCowboysFan-
so that beatdown was a thing of beauty.

Its ownage like that that makes posting on the internet
so worthwhile.

DallasEast, I salute you!

And to you RedRaidersCowboysFans, I say GOOD DAY, sir!:gent:

Did DallasEast during your so called "ownage" change the fact that Ben, Eli and Rivers all have better career stats then romo other then Rivers who is only 3 behind? Or did Dallas East change the facts about who has more SuperBowls and playoff wins?

You make it sound like this is an open and shut case that romo is a better qb then those 3. Don't be so conclusory when trying to say romo has accomplished more then those 3 which makes him a better qb, because those 3 are already by far and away more successful.

 

[CutMeMick]

Did DallasEast during your so called "ownage" change the fact that Ben, Eli and Rivers all have better career stats then romo other then Rivers who trails by 3tds? Or did Dallas East change the facts about who has more SuperBowls and playoff wins?

You make it sound like this is an open and shut case that romo is a better qb then those 3. Don't be so conclusory when trying to say romo has accomplished more then those 3 which makes him a better qb.

Dude, have you been reading anything thats been posted on this thread?

You stubbornly cling to your specious argument as though if you keep
repeating it, then maybe folks will start to believe as you do.

Again I'm not a Romo apologist, & place plenty of blame on him
as the Cowboys QB. But you're arguing apples, while everyone else
is arguing oranges.

If this is over your head, just say so.
You're embarassing yourself.

 

[coach316]

Did DallasEast during your so called "ownage" change the fact that Ben, Eli and Rivers all have better career stats then romo other then Rivers who is only 3 behind? Or did Dallas East change the facts about who has more SuperBowls and playoff wins?

You make it sound like this is an open and shut case that romo is a better qb then those 3. Don't be so conclusory when trying to say romo has accomplished more then those 3 which makes him a better qb, because those 3 are already by far and away more successful.

If your measurement of success is Super Bowl wins (Dan Marino) then by all means, you are correct.

But it's pretty obvious, to most, just by watching them play who has a better skill set and athleticism. I'll take Romo over the 3 you mentioned any day and hope the REST of the TEAM is up to par to winning playoffs and championships.

BTW...who would you rather have leading your team? Marino....or your choice of Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson?