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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...lug=jm-supplemental060606&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

There are two guys i think we should look at:

Ahmad Brooks: The Guy is pure talent but his head is not in the right place. Think of S.T. from the Commanders. The guy was up to 285 pounds and now has dropped down to 268 pounds. Could you Imagine our MLB Roster:


James--Akin
Hoyte--Brooks

That would make a nice core set in my eyes. If we could get the Guy for a 4th I say take it. IDK if id risk a 3rd only b/c we need a QB-WR-O-line and possibly RB, as such id rather have as much First Day Picks as possible.

Jason Berryman: Lets face it, after Ware and Bobby (and Kevin) we really are lacking at Depth in OLB. If we could add this guy for say a 6th id be all game.
 

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Gryphon said:
Jason Berryman: Lets face it, after Ware and Bobby (and Kevin) we really are lacking at Depth in OLB. If we could add this guy for say a 6th id be all game.

and behind Al, Rocky!!! Dude what r u smoking???? We have 4 OLB thats could start for any team. And a soild back-up in rocky.
 

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dbair1967 said:
arnt both of them trouble making thugs?

no thanks

David

Y'know, David, it's becoming abundantly clear that you have some axe to grind with Brooks, but it's asinine to call him a "trouble making thug", when his problem seems to be that he likes hitting the bong... that might be against the law, but it's hardly the hallmark of a "trouble making thug"...

Rhetorical excess like that robs you of all credibility on this subject... it's also rather unlike you, what did he do, poison your girlfriend or sleep with your dog??
 

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Y'know, David, it's becoming abundantly clear that you have some axe to grind with Brooks, but it's asinine to call him a "trouble making thug", when his problem seems to be that he likes hitting the bong... that might be against the law, but it's hardly the hallmark of a "trouble making thug"...

Rhetorical excess like that robs you of all credibility on this subject... it's also rather unlike you, what did he do, poison your girlfriend or sleep with your dog??

hey SB...alot of folks on here might like to take a hit off the bong (not me) and think its no big deal, but until they change the NFL rules regarding drugs and getting tossed for using them, guys that obviously have substance abuse problems are of no use to me

Brooks is a knuckleheaded loser...he had eons of talent (alot like Mr Bong Ricky Williams) but has chose to do something stupid rather than utilize his God given talent to its best...

finally, major college teams dont usually dump star calibar, franchise players for an occassional hit on the bong...either he has a very serious bong problem (read, he uses it all the time) or he has some other issues as well...either way, the kid is a loser

then factor in that when I saw him play last yr he looked like a rookie free agent calibar prospect (and not superman as some on here believe) and you see why I think its a waste of time to even think about him...he uses drugs, he got tossed out of the program (not suspended for a game or two or even three, tossed completely) by a very credible coach, he is a lard arse and he was pathetic on the field last yr

David
 

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This kid David Dixon seems interesting. Found some more info on him. He's a Texas kid, too.

http://www2.jsonline.com/packer/insider/draft/2006/biosdetail.aspx?fname=David&lname=Dixon&pos=LB

David Dixon, LB
Hutchinson JC

OVERVIEW

Regarded as the premier junior college linebacker in the country in 2004, Dixon joined the work force in 2005 and did not play football. He originally planned to enroll at Kansas State in 2006, but decided to declare for the NFL Draft instead. Few athletes in the draft possess the athletic ability Dixon displays -- running a 4.42-second 40-yard dash, with a 44-inch vertical jump, 49-inch triple jump and a 465-pound bench press. That leaping ability was evident as he blocked ten kicks in two seasons in the junior college ranks.

Dixon attended Beaumont Central High School, where he earned All-District 22, All-Region III and Class 4A All-State honors as a linebacker and a halfback. He also returned kicks and added letters in track.

Dixon enrolled at Blinn (Tex.) Junior College in 2003. He earned first-team All-American and All-Southwest Junior College Football Conference honors as he registered 79 tackles (46 solos) with six sacks, an interception and five blocked kicks.

Dixon transferred to Hutchinson (Kan.) Community College in 2004. He was rated the best linebacker in the junior college ranks and the third-best player overall by Rivals.com. He picked up first-team All-American honors from the NJCAA, was named Jayhawk Football Conference Player of the Year and was a finalist for National Defensive Player of the Year honors.

He led the junior college ranks with 161 tackles (112 solos) and set school and conference single-season records with 43 stops behind the line of scrimmage. He blocked five kicks, caused four fumbles and intercepted two passes while recording 8.5 sacks. He gained 81 yards on three punt returns (27.0 avg) and 306 yards on eleven kickoff returns (27.8 avg).

"David is the best I've seen," said Blue Dragon head coach Craig Jersild. "Athletically, there's no one who compares to him at this level, and not too many at the next. He's 6-2, 245, runs a 4.4 in his blue jeans, benches whatever you put on the bar, and has a vertical jump of 44 inches, and he's a football player. He's not just one of those guys that tests well in the classroom. He has a great nose for the ball and plays really fast. He's a specimen. The good Lord has blessed him.

"David is a great person," Jerslid added, "but he just doesn't like school."

In two junior college seasons, Dixon registered 240 tackles (158 solos) with 14.5 sacks for minus-96 yards and 60 stops for losses of 207 yards. He blocked ten kicks, intercepted three passes and caused five fumbles.

ANALYSIS

Positives: Has a well-built frame with thick bone structure, broad shoulders, muscular arms, big hands, good bubble and good-sized legs, thighs and calves...Is a strong presence on defense who needs to be accounted for on every play...Plays alert and is quick to read and react, making proper body adjustments on the move...Flashes outstanding strength at the point of attack and can fill the rush lanes with authority...
Has very good stack/tackle ability vs. the inside run...Does a very good job of using his hands to control the blocker, easily adjusting and reacting to the plays in front of him...
Flashes the hand strength to play off blocks...Has the outstanding speed, leverage and range to reach the outside, doing a nice job of avoiding blocks in attempts to shut down the cutback lanes...Can turn and run with good change of direction agility and is a hard hitter who explodes behind his tackles...Has the vision, awareness and turning ability to stay with tight ends and backs in pass routes...Effective when planting and driving out of his breaks, flying to the ball instantly, showing the hip flexibility and control to stay tight on the hip of the receiver...Has the natural hands to reach and pluck the ball away from the body's frame...Has a great initial burst on returns, showing the ability to twist and adjust in attempts to squeeze through tight quarters to gain valid yardage on kickoffs... Has outstanding leaping ability and timing to knock down kicks at the line of scrimmage.

Negatives: Struggles in the classroom, forcing him to sit out the 2005 season due to academic ineligibility...Good at using his hands to fend off blocks, but needs to use his punch with more consistency to shock and jolt the opponent...Makes plays in front of him, but will bite on play-action and fakes when he eyes the backfield too long...Has the speed to cover in one-on-one situations, but must improve his timing picking up switch-offs when working in the zone.

Dixon is a well-built athlete with tremendous quickness and leaping ability. He is a raw talent, but plays with great ball anticipation skills, showing urgency while performing until the whistle. He has a solid frame with powerful upper body strength and loose hips to turn and run on the ball coming out of his breaks.

Dixon plays with very good field vision and natural instincts. He times his leaps to get to the ball at its high point, showing natural hands for the interception. He is also a standout kick blocker, having batted away ten kicks in two seasons. He also has proven to be a dangerous open field runner on kickoff returns.

Dixon has the hand punch to shock and jolt blockers, but needs to use it with more consistency. He is very effective at getting an edge on the blocker, using quick rip and swim moves to rip off the block and generate strong backside pursuit. He has that outstanding speed needed to run sideline-to-sideline and a motor that never quits.

He is a hard, punishing tackler who will strike and wrap with explosiveness. He has the loose hips and feet to come out of his breaks and stay on the hip of the receiver in man coverage. He will bite a bit on play-action when he peeks into the backfield too long, but has the recovery speed to get back into the play.

Dixon plays with good confidence and is not afraid to mix it up in the trenches, but also comes with glowing praise from both coaching staffs due to his work ethic. He might not have the major college experience of A.J. Hawk, but one look at his production and athletic agility tests scores and you can see that someone will unearth a tremendous, but raw talent with a blank slate to mold within.

AGILITY NOTES

Campus: 4.42 in the 40-yard dash...465-pound bench press...44-inch vertical jump...49-inch triple jump.

INJURY REPORT

No injuries reported.

CAREER NOTES

Set school, Kansas Jayhawk Community College Conference and NJCAA single-season records with 43 stops behind the line of scrimmage in 2004...Set a Hutchinson College single-season record with five blocked punts in 2004.

HIGH SCHOOL

Attended Beaumont (Tex.) Central High School, playing football for head coach Mark Suggs...Earned All-District 22, All-Region III and Class 4A All-State honors as a linebacker and a halfback...Also returned kicks and added letters in track.

PERSONAL

Criminal Justice major...Born 2/14/85...Resides in Beaumont, Texas.
 

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big dog cowboy said:
I think I would rather save our picks for next year.

The great thing about the sup draft nowadays is that there's usually only 1 or 2 top blue chip prospects that teams select, if that.

There isn't a Boz, or Walsh in this years sup draft so most of the players profiled will end up being free agents.

The bottom line is that you can get these guys on the cheap. And now that I think about it, Bernie K. & Rob Moore where the only players that where worth while drafting in the sup draft.
 

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then factor in that when I saw him play last yr he looked like a rookie free agent calibar prospect (and not superman as some on here believe) and you see why I think its a waste of time to even think about him...he uses drugs, he got tossed out of the program (not suspended for a game or two or even three, tossed completely) by a very credible coach, he is a lard arse and he was pathetic on the field last yr

amen.
 

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I'd wager a 5th on Brooks without blinking. How many 5th rounders will make this team anyway?
 

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I really don't think Cowboys should use valuable picks diffently when these players didn't even participate in Mini Camps. Just wait until he's not drafted to sign him.

If he's draft well then so be it. Just wait to see if he gets drafted or not. It would be more of a steal if Cowboys just sign him but you know BP he going to make some weight demands.

Parcells don't want no out-of-shape linebacker. Im hearing Ahmad Brooks is 270-280. Parcells might ask him to lose 20-25 pounds or he might just use him like a Greg Ellis type player.

I hope Ahmad Brooks have a workout before that Suplemental Draft. Just to see who we getting before we get him. You don't want to spend a draft choice on a out-of-shape player and he gets injured on you because he's overweight.

Everybody knows that Ahmad Brooks have off-the-field problems, so what, he's young, and a whole lot of players that come out of college have off-the-field problems but, they get their self together, and Cowboys have one of the best if not the best mental work teams in the NFL.

Some people judge Ahmad Brooks and call him a "THUG" but, do you actually know what type of back-ground he comes from? Do you know anything personal about this player to make him your so-called "THUG"?

I have to go on the record to say Maurice Clarrett is not a "THUG" or a bad guy, he just made some wrong decisions that just got him label by people like the media, fans, and critics. These guys are young. Nobody perfect. I know he made two major mistakes but you have to think about yourself in these people shoes before you judge them, you have to think about what they been through before you judge them, and compare your back-ground to their's and see if it matches.

Most of these players that makes these mistakes have families, comes from a poor back-ground, have alot of responsibilities, and is just down morale from their life style. That don't excuse them but my point in being is nobody has the right to judge them but GOD not man.
 

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dbair1967 said:
hey SB...alot of folks on here might like to take a hit off the bong (not me) and think its no big deal, but until they change the NFL rules regarding drugs and getting tossed for using them, guys that obviously have substance abuse problems are of no use to me

Which is fine, but calling him a troublemaking thug for that is ridiculous...

A thug is somebody who goes out and willfully hurts somebody else... Brooks is only hurting himself... and the only trouble he's caused has been for himself...

Brooks is a knuckleheaded loser...

Is he, or is he just young, and foolish??

If he can't put the weed down long enough to make the big dollars in the NFL, then I'll agree that he's a knucklehead, and maybe a loser...

I guess you never did anything when you were young that you now regret...

finally, major college teams dont usually dump star calibar, franchise players for an occassional hit on the bong...

Of course they do... what color is the sky on your planet??

You also apparently don't understand the dynamics at the University of Virginia, which are just a bit different from other places... the boosters there take inordinate pride in the school's academic reputation, far more pride than they do their athletic program (which is not to say they don't care about the athletics, just that they don't care as much as they do about the academics)...

then factor in that when I saw him play last yr he looked like a rookie free agent calibar prospect (and not superman as some on here believe)

He was never close to healthy last year... I'm a long-time UVa fan, I follow the team pretty close... prior to last year, he was a true stud, a difference maker on defense...

and you see why I think its a waste of time to even think about him...he uses drugs, he got tossed out of the program (not suspended for a game or two or even three, tossed completely) by a very credible coach,

And yet, UVa is letting Brooks hold a workout/tryout on their campus on June 22nd... and that "very credible coach" will be there... one assumes that Groh is not going there to trash the guy, but rather to talk him up...

I'm confident that the Boys will never even think about using a draft pick on him if Groh doesn't give him a good review, but all the available evidence seems to suggest that Groh thinks he's a good kid who made some mistakes...

he is a lard arse

Once again, you're talking without really knowing the full facts, and frankly, it's making you look narrow and judgemental... Brooks got heavy when he got hurt, but is well on his way to making his target goal of 268 by the time that workout rolls around... he has been putting himself through what has been described as a "boot camp" type regimen these last few months...

And lest you think that 268 is too heavy for him, he played (and played very well) at 265 in his college days... still ran in the 4.5s at that weight...

I can understand if you don't want anything to do with him because you don't want to have any druggies on your team, that would be a valid view... but this asinine attempt by you to portray him as some kind of sociopath is really quite nauseating, when you don't know the real story (for that matter, I don't know the full story either, but I obviously know more about the situation than you do)...

Bottom line, you're rippin' him a new anal orifice, and it's pretty clear that you haven't really done your homework on the guy... you read that he tested positive for weed, and formed your biased opinion...

Well, if the Cowboys do draft him in the supplemental draft, or try to draft him, I'll take that as a sign that Parcells got the thumbs up from Groh... and if that's the case, I'll be content to have them take a chance on him...

I'll also be content if they pass on him, I don't have a real emotional investment in the guy... I just find your knee-jerk, hyperbolic attacks on him to be uncalled for...
 

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RealCowboyfan said:
I really don't think Cowboys should use valuable picks diffently when these players didn't even participate in Mini Camps. Just wait until he's not drafted to sign him.

He'll be drafted, for sure... you heard it here first...

Parcells don't want no out-of-shape linebacker. Im hearing Ahmad Brooks is 270-280. Parcells might ask him to lose 20-25 pounds or he might just use him like a Greg Ellis type player.

I read a report last week that had him at 273... sounds like a lot for a linebacker, I know, but not when you consider that he played at 265... so right now, he's all of 8 pounds over his playing weight (unless he's dropped a pound or two more since the article was written)... the word is that he plans on weighing 268 when he works out on June 22nd...

And Parcells would never be able to use Brooks like Greg Ellis, since Ahmad is a pure INSIDE linebacker...

I hope Ahmad Brooks have a workout before that Suplemental Draft.

He'll have an on-campus workout at UVa on June 22nd (if I remember the date correctly, and I think I do)...

Think about that for a second, Brooks got kicked off the team, yet the school is still letting him use their facilities to work out for the pros... that should tell you that although he broke their rules, and forced their hands, they still think rather highly of him...

Some people judge Ahmad Brooks and call him a "THUG" but, do you actually know what type of back-ground he comes from? Do you know anything personal about this player to make him your so-called "THUG"?

Calling him a thug is BS...
 

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Cannot believe some still are trying to make excuses for Clarret. But then some here really have a blind spot about troublemakers. Brooks is a troublemaker- outside of the pot. THE only way you ever take a chance on someone like that is if they have out of this world ability. Brooks really does not look like all that - he is good- maybe very good- but no real jump in ability to what we already have. SO HIS DOWNSIDE is MUCH BIGGER then the upside. PASS.
 

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silverbear said:
Which is fine, but calling him a troublemaking thug for that is ridiculous...

A thug is somebody who goes out and willfully hurts somebody else... Brooks is only hurting himself... and the only trouble he's caused has been for himself...



Is he, or is he just young, and foolish??

If he can't put the weed down long enough to make the big dollars in the NFL, then I'll agree that he's a knucklehead, and maybe a loser...

I guess you never did anything when you were young that you now regret...



Of course they do... what color is the sky on your planet??

You also apparently don't understand the dynamics at the University of Virginia, which are just a bit different from other places... the boosters there take inordinate pride in the school's academic reputation, far more pride than they do their athletic program (which is not to say they don't care about the athletics, just that they don't care as much as they do about the academics)...



He was never close to healthy last year... I'm a long-time UVa fan, I follow the team pretty close... prior to last year, he was a true stud, a difference maker on defense...



And yet, UVa is letting Brooks hold a workout/tryout on their campus on June 22nd... and that "very credible coach" will be there... one assumes that Groh is not going there to trash the guy, but rather to talk him up...

I'm confident that the Boys will never even think about using a draft pick on him if Groh doesn't give him a good review, but all the available evidence seems to suggest that Groh thinks he's a good kid who made some mistakes...



Once again, you're talking without really knowing the full facts, and frankly, it's making you look narrow and judgemental... Brooks got heavy when he got hurt, but is well on his way to making his target goal of 268 by the time that workout rolls around... he has been putting himself through what has been described as a "boot camp" type regimen these last few months...

And lest you think that 268 is too heavy for him, he played (and played very well) at 265 in his college days... still ran in the 4.5s at that weight...

I can understand if you don't want anything to do with him because you don't want to have any druggies on your team, that would be a valid view... but this asinine attempt by you to portray him as some kind of sociopath is really quite nauseating, when you don't know the real story (for that matter, I don't know the full story either, but I obviously know more about the situation than you do)...

Bottom line, you're rippin' him a new anal orifice, and it's pretty clear that you haven't really done your homework on the guy... you read that he tested positive for weed, and formed your biased opinion...

Well, if the Cowboys do draft him in the supplemental draft, or try to draft him, I'll take that as a sign that Parcells got the thumbs up from Groh... and if that's the case, I'll be content to have them take a chance on him...

I'll also be content if they pass on him, I don't have a real emotional investment in the guy... I just find your knee-jerk, hyperbolic attacks on him to be uncalled for...

its not attacks...everything I've said about him was true SB...he was fat and incredibly out of shape, reports are he was over 280 lbs and only recently "got down" to below 270...thats FAT for a LB...he did get tossed out of school, not warned or suspended, TOSSED...I dont care that you think UVA is different than other places, they wouldnt be tossing a guy supposedly worth a top-10 draft pick at one point for simply smoking some weed on a couple occassions...like I said, he either has a VERY serious issue with it or has some other factors involved in why he was tossed

you say I didnt do my homework on the guy, are you privvy to info nobody else knows about him? How do you know his issue is ONLY hitting the bong a couple of times?

I do agree that IF we took him Parcells has gotten a recommendation from groh, but I think if that fantasy land scenario was going to happen Groh would have never tossed him off the team in the first place

David
 

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burmafrd said:
Cannot believe some still are trying to make excuses for Clarret. But then some here really have a blind spot about troublemakers. Brooks is a troublemaker- outside of the pot. THE only way you ever take a chance on someone like that is if they have out of this world ability. Brooks really does not look like all that - he is good- maybe very good- but no real jump in ability to what we already have. SO HIS DOWNSIDE is MUCH BIGGER then the upside. PASS.

bingo...

David
 
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