NFLN: Charles Haley makes/Jimmy Johnson misses final 15 for Pro football HOF

[burmafrd]

All opinion no real facts in your argument. It's (HOF) an arbitrary honor and Jimmy has helped and contributed to the sport like the other you have mentioned. Other impressive data of taking a 1-15 team to back to back SBs (really 3 out of 4 in spite of jones stupidity) in a short period of time proved he's worthy. Now that's just my opinion so well just agree to disagree.

OH bs. Jimmy did not change the game or how it is done. Another area he fails to qualify.

 

[burmafrd]

AFAIK, Jimmy is the only retired coach to win more than one Super Bowl not in the HOF. Until Shanahan retires. In both cases, the last team they coached undermined their HOF chances.

Of course, there is no criteria for the HOF - it is definitely subjective. Coaches that never won a SB like Grant and Levy are in the HOF. Three SB victories will make a coach a slam dunk for induction, but if you coach 15 seasons, win at least 12 of them with a SB, that seems to be enough. Thoughts on that?

google Tom Flores

 

[mldardy]

your numbers mean diddly squat

just like your opinion

Yeah I know but your opinion meant everything. You are obsessed with me dude and you can't get over that you completely get owned by me ALL THE TIME. You respond to my post like a person with a rash. On the ignore list you go you seriously get on my nerves and act like a petulant child.

Hey everybody, burmafred's opinion > FACTS

 

[jterrell]

No one is comparing him to those coaches. Pay attention to what is going on man. The comparison was with those coaches mentioned. OK great they created forward passing game. Good for them, I guess. Does that mean they are more worthy of the HOF because they allegedly did that.
Also you mention they all won more than 50% more games than Jimmy. They also lost just about that amount as well.

ROFL, not sure how you can type that with a straight face.

Yes, creating the forward passing game is more worthy than anything Jimmy Johnson ever did.
Yes, Stram's winning 3 AFL championships earned him far more right than Jimmy to get in the HOF.

Ewbank by the same token won 2 titles in the NFL before it merged. He also won SB 3.

Again, Jimmy won big enough, he just didn't win long enough or have enough overall impact.

He built a dominant team but it was VERY short-lived.
He went to Miami and built them to above average but no more; never sniffing major success in Miami.
And that team was not build with long-term sustainable talent as the fall off was precipitous.

Coaches are judged based on wins, effect on the game via systems and on coaching trees.

Jimmy in short in every area except SB wins and his 2 are not overwhelming by any means.

 

[jterrell]

But your still not answering the question. If not Jimmy Johnson than what coach is a HOFer....

answered many times... landry, shula, noll, lombardi, belichek
and many more.
guys who leave lasting legacies and have long-term impact not 2 seasons of high end success before blowing away like a tumble weed.

 

[jterrell]

there are about 10 Dallas Cowboys not in the HoF that deserve to be in.
It'd be a tragedy for Jimmy ot get in before them.

As to the Mike, Troy, Emmitt question we saw how many had Jimmy introduce them to Cooperstown them right?

 

[KB1122]

The Hall of Fame needs to hold a "Dallas Cowboy Make-Up Year." And the Cardinals and Chiefs need to win something before getting another player. Like a playoff game.

 

[jterrell]

The Hall of Fame needs to hold a "Dallas Cowboy Make-Up Year." And the Cardinals and Chiefs need to win something before getting another player. Like a playoff game.

can not argue there.
dallas well under-represented as america's team and for 30 years of success.

 

[Tabascocat]

Jimmy will go down as the best coach ever to not make the HOF.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

sorry but jimmy should get in just for pulling off the greatest trade ever known in football...the herschel walker trade.

the superbowls are just icing on his HOF resume.

 

[mldardy]

ROFL, not sure how you can type that with a straight face.

Yes, creating the forward passing game is more worthy than anything Jimmy Johnson ever did.
Yes, Stram's winning 3 AFL championships earned him far more right than Jimmy to get in the HOF.

Ewbank by the same token won 2 titles in the NFL before it merged. He also won SB 3.

Again, Jimmy won big enough, he just didn't win long enough or have enough overall impact.

He built a dominant team but it was VERY short-lived.
He went to Miami and built them to above average but no more; never sniffing major success in Miami.
And that team was not build with long-term sustainable talent as the fall off was precipitous.

Coaches are judged based on wins, effect on the game via systems and on coaching trees.

Jimmy in short in every area except SB wins and his 2 are not overwhelming by any means.

ROFL not sure how you can type this with a straight or crooked face.

Weeb Ewbank has a 130-129-7 record. That is 1 total game over .500. Great he won titles in the NFL happy for him. Jimmy won 2 Super Bowl titles and doesn't have barely over .500 win %.

As for Stram, I don't care about AFL championships. Jimmy has 2 NFC Championships.

You are grasping at straws here man. I never said those coaches shouldn't be in the HOF, I said if those coaches are in then Jimmy should be as well because he accomplished at the very worst equal to what those coaches accomplished record wise, title wise and IMO more than any of those coaches I listed. Again you have some serious problems reading, understanding, and paying attention to what I initially posted and are trying twist it around to your advantage. I don't give a crap about AFL championships and NFL titles when there were 10 teams in the league.

 

[burmafrd]

ROFL not sure how you can type this with a straight or crooked face.

Weeb Ewbank has a 130-129-7 record. That is 1 total game over .500. Great he won titles in the NFL happy for him. Jimmy won 2 Super Bowl titles and doesn't have barely over .500 win %.

As for Stram, I don't care about AFL championships. Jimmy has 2 NFC Championships.

You are grasping at straws here man. I never said those coaches shouldn't be in the HOF, I said if those coaches are in then Jimmy should be as well because he accomplished at the very worst equal to what those coaches accomplished record wise, title wise and IMO more than any of those coaches I listed. Again you have some serious problems reading, understanding, and paying attention to what I initially posted and are trying twist it around to your advantage. I don't give a crap about AFL championships and NFL titles when there were 10 teams in the league.

sure

keep watering down the HOF

such a good idea

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

sorry but jimmy should get in just for pulling off the greatest trade ever known in football...the herschel walker trade.

the superbowls are just icing on his HOF resume.

He might deserve to get in just for winning in Dallas under Jerry Jones. lol

 

[jterrell]

ROFL not sure how you can type this with a straight or crooked face.

Weeb Ewbank has a 130-129-7 record. That is 1 total game over .500. Great he won titles in the NFL happy for him. Jimmy won 2 Super Bowl titles and doesn't have barely over .500 win %.

As for Stram, I don't care about AFL championships. Jimmy has 2 NFC Championships.

You are grasping at straws here man. I never said those coaches shouldn't be in the HOF, I said if those coaches are in then Jimmy should be as well because he accomplished at the very worst equal to what those coaches accomplished record wise, title wise and IMO more than any of those coaches I listed. Again you have some serious problems reading, understanding, and paying attention to what I initially posted and are trying twist it around to your advantage. I don't give a crap about AFL championships and NFL titles when there were 10 teams in the league.

Last I checked you don't get a vote and the people who did kept your manlove out.

If you don't care about AFL championships that is out of complete ignorance. The NFL HOF committee clearly does.

While you may not care this is WHY he didn't get voted in now and may never get voted in.

Ewbank is the only coach to ever win an NFL championship, an AFL championship AND a Super Bowl.
His NFL record is based upon taking over 2 teams in last place and winning titles in both stops.
He was also a coordinator for Paul Brown when that team was the game's most dominant.
Again he coached 3 Championship pro football teams. And it is the PRO FOOTBALL FALL OF FAME.

Jimmy was never a Coordinator, never an NFL lifer by any means.
Hie resume is short with only one outstanding line. 2X SB winner.

He built and coached one team to a SB.
Something that isn't really that rare.
The unique thing was leaving the NFL after such a short stay.
And that keeps him out.
Had he won another SB in Miami he gets in without question.

 

[mldardy]

Last I checked you don't get a vote and the people who did kept your manlove out.

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Neither do you. All the other stuff you typed I didn't read because I don't care.

 

[jterrell]

And before it gets asked, no, Shanahan, Seifert and Flores should not get in either but they have a better argument than Jimmy Johnson.

Those are the other three with 2 SB wins not worthy IMHO.

 

[jterrell]

Neither do you. All the other stuff you typed I didn't read because I don't care.

ignorance is bliss. enjoy.

 

[DenCWBY]

He might deserve to get in just for winning in Dallas under Jerry Jones. lol

Yes thank you. It even makes a stronger case for Jimmy to get in the HOF in spite of an ignorant billionaire hillbilly owner who did everything he could to get in the way of success (with exception to writing a lot if checks). Give Jerry an award for oil and gas HOF and writing the checks. No football knowledge in writing a check.

 

[DenCWBY]

OH bs. Jimmy did not change the game or how it is done. Another area he fails to qualify.

Umm your knowledge or thought process is simply amazing. Good luck with that.

 

[mldardy]

ignorance is bliss. enjoy.

Your ignorance. Absolutely. You don't read or pay attention at all. You are so busy trying as hard as you can to disprove facts and numbers and you fail miserably. I didn't bother reading all that crap because you keep repeating the same thing. Such and such won some AFL championships or this coach won this NFL title. GOOD FOR THEM.

I'm starting to think you and that burmafred guy are the same person. Wouldn't surprise me one bit. You two or one are one in the same.

Another person to add to the ignore list.