NFLN: Charles Haley makes/Jimmy Johnson misses final 15 for Pro football HOF

[burmafrd]

Umm your knowledge or thought process is simply amazing. Good luck with that.

well if you ever happen to figure it out we will all applaud

 

[burmafrd]

Your ignorance. Absolutely. You don't read or pay attention at all. You are so busy trying as hard as you can to disprove facts and numbers and you fail miserably. I didn't bother reading all that crap because you keep repeating the same thing. Such and such won some AFL championships or this coach won this NFL title. GOOD FOR THEM.

I'm starting to think you and that burmafred guy are the same person. Wouldn't surprise me one bit. You two or one are one in the same.

nah, we just like tormenting those without a clue...

 

[jterrell]

Yes thank you. It even makes a stronger case for Jimmy to get in the HOF in spite of an ignorant billionaire hillbilly owner who did everything he could to get in the way of success (with exception to writing a lot if checks). Give Jerry an award for oil and gas HOF and writing the checks. No football knowledge in writing a check.

the hilarity of this is that jerry was the boss.
jimmy was given this position by crazy jerry.
he'd never have been considered a cowboys head coach under other owners.

and jerry never let jimmy write a check so he always had power of the bank account which meant approving every move that had any financial implication.
And jerry was the one who found norv.

Your ignorance. Absolutely. You don't read or pay attention at all. You are so busy trying as hard as you can to disprove facts and numbers and you fail miserably. I didn't bother reading all that crap because you keep repeating the same thing. Such and such won some AFL championships or this coach won this NFL title. GOOD FOR THEM.

I'm starting to think you and that burmafred guy are the same person. Wouldn't surprise me one bit. You two or one are one in the same.

Another person to add to the ignore list.

hilarious....
the guy who says he doesn't read and doesn't care to learn complains about others not reading.

lets keep this real simple.
1. Jimmy didn't accomplish enough as a pro coach to warrant a pro football hall of fame nod.
2. see point 1.
3. but other coaches got in... --take time to educate yourself on those coaches before comparing because you are clueless, ignorant and proud of it.
4. all else.. see point 1.

 

[DenCWBY]

the hilarity of this is that jerry was the boss.
jimmy was given this position by crazy jerry.
he'd never have been considered a cowboys head coach under other owners.

and jerry never let jimmy write a check so he always had power of the bank account which meant approving every move that had any financial implication.
And jerry was the one who found norv.

Wow you
Interviewed all the owners for their opinion when Jimmy was hired? And you were in their offices when Jerry wrote the checks without any specific input from Jimmy? And Jimmy never had a drink with jerry to discuss their future players ? And of course jerry has always been very responsible and uninfluenced with his check book. And finally Norve turner was the one who one all the games?
Hmm. It really makes sense now.
Goodness.

 

[Chuck 54]

Anyone who thinks Haley doesn't deserve to be in never saw him play. Ware is a great pass rusher, but I would trade Ware at his best for Haley at his best every freakin day. Haley could not be blocked 1-1, not even by pro bowlers. Haley was sometimes chipped by a back before being double teamed.

Tolbert was known as a run defending Strong side DE before Haley drew all the attention and gave him a career. In a down year for sacks, Haley pressured the QB regularly, affecting games.

Haley began his NFL career at linebacker and led San Francisco in sacks in each of his first six seasons. He recorded four double-digit sack totals with the 49ers including 12 sacks as a rookie and a career-high and NFC-leading 16 sacks in 1990. And his sacks came during a time when a QB throwing 30 passes per game was very unusual. Often, QBs threw 15-25 passes. Now, with QBs regularly throwing 40-50 passes, sack totals should be higher.

He was moved to defensive end after his trade to Dallas and continued to excel at pressuring the quarterback. He added two more double-digit sack seasons in 1994 and1995.

Haley amassed 100.5 sacks during his 169-game career, but that includes several years of trying to come back from a debilitating back injury. He was twice named NFC Defensive Player of the Year (1990 and 1994), voted to five Pro Bowls and named All-Pro two times, once as a linebacker and once as a defensive end.

He played in six NFC championship games over a seven-season period. He started at left outside linebacker for the 49ers in the 1988, 1989, and 1990 games and at right defensive end for the Cowboys in the conference championships in 1992, 1993, and 1994.

Haley was a member of 10 division championship teams during his 12-season NFL career. It wasn't just luck or coincidence. He should have been in before now.

 

[jterrell]

Hard to read because your quoting was screwed but perhaps read what I said again...
"...never be considered a Cowboys head coach under other owners."

That is wholly accurate of no debate.

Jimmy may have gotten other NFL jobs but he was never going to be considered in Dallas because he was a college coach and we were replacing Landry.
Only a crazy guy dumps Landry very unceremoniously and hires a college buddy and college coach with ZERO NFL experience.

As to the rest....
Troy credits Norv with them turning that offense around and his own career.
Again, nothing I stated was close to being opinion; it is all fact.

Jerry needed Jimmy and vice versa. Neither has won crap since they split.
The sooner the mouth breathers amongst us understand that the sooner we can just move on.

 

[jterrell]

Anyone who thinks Haley doesn't deserve to be in never saw him play. Ware is a great pass rusher, but I would trade Ware at his best for Haley at his best every freakin day. Haley could not be blocked 1-1, not even by pro bowlers. Haley was sometimes chipped by a back before being double teamed.

Tolbert was known as a run defending Strong side DE before Haley drew all the attention and gave him a career. In a down year for sacks, Haley pressured the QB regularly, affecting games.

Haley began his NFL career at linebacker and led San Francisco in sacks in each of his first six seasons. He recorded four double-digit sack totals with the 49ers including 12 sacks as a rookie and a career-high and NFC-leading 16 sacks in 1990. And his sacks came during a time when a QB throwing 30 passes per game was very unusual. Often, QBs threw 15-25 passes. Now, with QBs regularly throwing 40-50 passes, sack totals should be higher.

He was moved to defensive end after his trade to Dallas and continued to excel at pressuring the quarterback. He added two more double-digit sack seasons in 1994 and1995.

Haley amassed 100.5 sacks during his 169-game career, but that includes several years of trying to come back from a debilitating back injury. He was twice named NFC Defensive Player of the Year (1990 and 1994), voted to five Pro Bowls and named All-Pro two times, once as a linebacker and once as a defensive end.

He played in six NFC championship games over a seven-season period. He started at left outside linebacker for the 49ers in the 1988, 1989, and 1990 games and at right defensive end for the Cowboys in the conference championships in 1992, 1993, and 1994.

Haley was a member of 10 division championship teams during his 12-season NFL career. It wasn't just luck or coincidence. He should have been in before now.

Haley deserved to get in.
But he wasn't better than Ware and if you take Haley in his prime you are flat nuts.
As Haley was, which is why he was traded in his prime.

Ware's stats are 4 times All Pro, 7 times Pro Bowl. 117 sacks already in his career. He's a top 20 guy already.

As to the more sacks now nonsense get out of here with that stuff. The top two sack guys of all time played in the same era.
Bruce Smith and Reggie White. They entered the league one year before Haley.
Haley was limited by his back, not the era of football.

 

[joseephuss]

Haley began his NFL career at linebacker and led San Francisco in sacks in each of his first six seasons. He recorded four double-digit sack totals with the 49ers including 12 sacks as a rookie and a career-high and NFC-leading 16 sacks in 1990. And his sacks came during a time when a QB throwing 30 passes per game was very unusual. Often, QBs threw 15-25 passes. Now, with QBs regularly throwing 40-50 passes, sack totals should be higher.

This is in no way to say Haley isn't deserving of the Hall of Fame.

During Charles Haley's career(1986-1996, 1998-1999) his teams averaged facing 32.89 pass attempts per game. Opponents averaged less than 30 passes per game for a season 1 time. Opponents averaged under 32 passes per game for a season 4 times. Opponents averaged over 35 passes per game for a season 3 times.

During Demarcus Ware's career(2005-2013) his teams averaged facing 33.93 pass attempts per game. Opponents averaged less than 30 passes per game for a season 0 times. Opponents averaged under 32 passes per game for a season 4 times. Opponents averaged over 35 passes per game for a season 3 times.

 

[Chuck 54]

Haley deserved to get in.
But he wasn't better than Ware and if you take Haley in his prime you are flat nuts.
As Haley was, which is why he was traded in his prime.

Ware's stats are 4 times All Pro, 7 times Pro Bowl. 117 sacks already in his career. He's a top 20 guy already.

As to the more sacks now nonsense get out of here with that stuff. The top two sack guys of all time played in the same era.
Bruce Smith and Reggie White. They entered the league one year before Haley.
Haley was limited by his back, not the era of football.

I'm nuts...i saw both play in their prime, and Haley had a much bigger impact on games than Ware ever dreamed. Sacks are truly over rated....make one play per game and you rank at the top of the league with 16 sacks. I choose Haley over Ware on my defense every day.

 

[Chuck 54]

Haley deserved to get in.
But he wasn't better than Ware and if you take Haley in his prime you are flat nuts.
As Haley was, which is why he was traded in his prime.

Ware's stats are 4 times All Pro, 7 times Pro Bowl. 117 sacks already in his career. He's a top 20 guy already.

As to the more sacks now nonsense get out of here with that stuff. The top two sack guys of all time played in the same era.
Bruce Smith and Reggie White. They entered the league one year before Haley.
Haley was limited by his back, not the era of football.

Those two guys were great, but they had huge career sacks because of longevity and ability.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Another angle nobody is mentioning...............Switzer may be hurting Jimmy's chances of the HOF.

Jimmy left and Switzer took over and the team went to the NFC Championship game in 94 and lost to the 49ers and then won the SB the following season in 95.

You could say Jimmy built those teams, but as far as coaching goes, almost anybody could have won a SB with the triplets. So the coaching job Jimmy did was not really that impressive considering another guy just walked in the door having never coached a down in the NFL and went to two consecutive conference championship games and won the SB.

Maybe you could make the argument Jimmy should be in the HOF because of his GM abilities in building a team but as far as coaching goes, Jimmy really was nothing special and Switzer proved that almost anybody could have won with that group of talent on the field.

So maybe that is why the HOF voters and saying no dice to Jimmy, he really did not do anything special as a head coach.

 

[khiladi]

Haley deserved to get in.
But he wasn't better than Ware and if you take Haley in his prime you are flat nuts.
As Haley was, which is why he was traded in his prime.

Ware's stats are 4 times All Pro, 7 times Pro Bowl. 117 sacks already in his career. He's a top 20 guy already.

As to the more sacks now nonsense get out of here with that stuff. The top two sack guys of all time played in the same era.
Bruce Smith and Reggie White. They entered the league one year before Haley.
Haley was limited by his back, not the era of football.

Please... Haley would destroy in today's pass happy league, where RBs very rarely even break twenty rushes a game...

 

[DenCWBY]

and jerry never let jimmy write a check so he always had power of the bank account which meant approving every move that had any financial implication.
And jerry was the one who found norv.

Wow you
Interviewed all the owners for their opinion when Jimmy was hired? And you were in their offices when Jerry wrote the checks without any specific input from Jimmy? And Jimmy never had a drink with jerry to discuss their future players ? And of course jerry has always been very responsible and uninfluenced with his check book. And finally Norve turner was the one who one all the games?
Hmm. It really makes sense now.
Goodness.

Hard to read because your quoting was screwed but perhaps read what I said again...
"...never be considered a Cowboys head coach under other owners."

That is wholly accurate of no debate.

Jimmy may have gotten other NFL jobs but he was never going to be considered in Dallas because he was a college coach and we were replacing Landry.
Only a crazy guy dumps Landry very unceremoniously and hires a college buddy and college coach with ZERO NFL experience.

As to the rest....
Troy credits Norv with them turning that offense around and his own career.
Again, nothing I stated was close to being opinion; it is all fact.

Jerry needed Jimmy and vice versa. Neither has won crap since they split.
The sooner the mouth breathers amongst us understand that the sooner we can just move on.

Ya I'm sorry I'm still not buying. It's an obtuse argument either way based mostly on opinion with many levels of variables to consider. I'm sure you and I and even Jimmy for that matter will not be squandering over this issue on our dying days so well agree to disagree and love forward.
Have a good one.