NFLN: Mike Holmgren thinks L. Landry stinks?

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mickgreen58;1886264 said:
I understand the point you are trying to make,

Thank goodness.

but teams do not target Roy Williams because they think he is overly aggressive.

They target him, just like most players at his position because they perceive he is mediocre in coverage.

Seems like splitting hairs either way. Holmgren admitted they implemented plays and geared their offense to take advantage of Landry. After the way the Giants revelation that they tried to do some things to take advantage of Roy, you would have thought the earth opened up and dogs started talking and Jason Garrett descended from Sinai with some tablets, with the gospel that teams only gameplan players because those players are dreadful.

I didn't make the post as evidence to degrade Landry. Only to thumb my nose at the notion that teams only gameplan to take advantage of players who they think are terrible.
 

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Again, I understand your point.

Why do you waste time thumbing your nose at people that actually think Roy Williams is the only player, not Safety, but player targeted in the NFL?

If someone is credulous enough to believe that, it really isn't worth your time trying to prove them wrong.
 

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mickgreen58;1886416 said:
Again, I understand your point.

Why do you waste time thumbing your nose at people that actually think Roy Williams is the only player, not Safety, but player targeted in the NFL?

If someone is credulous enough to believe that, it really isn't worth your time trying to prove them wrong.

Why do any of us waste time posting about anything?

We just do.
 

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superpunk;1886420 said:
Why do any of us waste time posting about anything?

We just do.

Personally, I think you are fighting an imaginary fight.

I don't think anyone on this board is foolish enough to believe Roy Williams is the only player in the NFL that gets picked on by opposing Offensive Coordinators.

Roy Williams plays for the Dallas Cowboys, so of course on a Dallas Cowboys Messageboard he will receive the brunt of the criticism as oppose to a player on anothe team.
 

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mickgreen58;1886439 said:
Personally, I think you are fighting an imaginary fight.

Then I would have to say that you haven't been paying attention to the threads this has gone on in. Which is understandable - they're very boring.

Roy Williams plays for the Dallas Cowboys, so of course on a Dallas Cowboys Messageboard he will receive the brunt of the criticism as oppose to a player on anothe team.

Sometimes, I gotta bring that NFL perspective.
 

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The point that is not being illustrated, clearly enough IMO, is that Landry is a Rookie. Rookie's get burned by doing things like being influenced. So do vets but hopefull, after 5 or 6 years in the league, this type of thing becomes less and less likely. If in 5 or 6 years, Landry is still making Rookie mistakes, then I think you can take something from that and run with it.

At this point, I find it hard to be overly harsh on Landry. He's playing a different position because of the Taylor incident and he's a Rookie. At some point, you have to expect that he is going to make mistakes. Not an excuss for Landry, just the way it works. In my mind, the fact that he has been able to do the things he's done in his Rookie year makes a more positive statement then negative.
 

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superpunk;1886250 said:
Now, recently I've been under the impression that the only reason an offense would scheme to take advantage of a safety is because said safety is a terrible player who couldn't cover my grandmother. So needless to say, I was pretty floored this morning when I heard Holmgren just tear Landry apart by admitting that they actually installed new plays in their offense specifically to take advantage of him.

I mean wow. Bombshell. Srsly.

so are you arguing that Roy is about as equivalent to the SS position as Landry, with the exception Landry is a rookie?

Is Roy being targetted by everybody for his over-aggresiveness or the fact that he has become hesitant in his decision making?
 

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khiladi;1886521 said:
so are you arguing that Roy is about as equivalent to the SS position as Landry, with the exception Landry is a rookie?

Is Roy being targetted fby everybody for his over-aggresiveness or the fact that he has become hesitant in his decision making?


I think SP may have been targeting your over-aggressive nature with this thread.
 

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stealth;1886525 said:
I think SP may have been targeting your over-aggressive nature with this thread.

:lmao2:

I think Superpunk has to ask Adams permission to talk to his property.
 

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khiladi;1886521 said:
so are you arguing that Roy is about as equivalent to the SS position as Landry, with the exception Landry is a rookie?

Is Roy being targetted by everybody for his over-aggresiveness or the fact that he has become hesitant in his decision making?

Exactly, Superpunk. I don't blame you for being interested, but you need to ask Adam's permission before you try date his girlfriend.
 

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mickgreen58;1886264 said:
I understand the point you are trying to make, but teams do not target Roy Williams because they think he is overly aggressive.


errrr...yes they do man. Especially in past seasons. Heck that's probably been his biggest problem.
 

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I feel cheated. I thought this was going to be another RW thread....oh, wait. NM.
 

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Subtle.

LaRon Landry certainly didn't have the rookie season that Roy Williams had either.

I find it amusing that the delusional folks around here that still believe Roy Williams is some sort of superstar justify it by comparing him against subpar safety play around the league. The tallest midget argument I guess.....

Superstars shouldn't be targeted consistently in the pass game. Williams' play has declined since earlier in his career. I don't think there should be any question of that at this point, yet there still continues to be.
 

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junk;1886709 said:
Subtle.

LaRon Landry certainly didn't have the rookie season that Roy Williams had either.

I find it amusing that the delusional folks around here that still believe Roy Williams is some sort of superstar justify it by comparing him against subpar safety play around the league. The tallest midget argument I guess.....

Superstars shouldn't be targeted consistently in the pass game. Williams' play has declined since earlier in his career. I don't think there should be any question of that at this point, yet there still continues to be.

Noone is comparing Roy Williams' play to anything, nor is anyone saying Williams' play has not declined.

Maybe you should read over things again. There is a very specific concept being addressed here - and yes, it involves Roy Williams. But not in the way your misguided post implies that you believe it involves Roy Williams.

Study up, buddy.
 

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junk;1886709 said:
Subtle.

LaRon Landry certainly didn't have the rookie season that Roy Williams had either.

I find it amusing that the delusional folks around here that still believe Roy Williams is some sort of superstar justify it by comparing him against subpar safety play around the league. The tallest midget argument I guess.....

Superstars shouldn't be targeted consistently in the pass game. Williams' play has declined since earlier in his career. I don't think there should be any question of that at this point, yet there still continues to be.

Junk, out of curiousity, what does your short list of regular posters who think Roy Williams is any sort of superstar look like? Can we compile a list, once and for all, and let those posters weigh in with their opinions and maybe put all of this nonsense to rest for good?

For the record, my over/under for the number of posters who think he's a superstar at this point is 0.
 
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