NFLPA looking into Cowboys' direct dealing with players

Rayman70

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almost looks as if the NFLPA is colluding to slander JJ and Dallas and/or looking to extort money for the agent of Zeke Elliot. Its real bad optics. Its ridiculous, the claim they are making. Think about it. Every team talks to its players...and if someone here thinks that's a crime or something, they are living in a delusional bubble. Reality is, they all do it. Another case where Dallas gets singled out unfairly. Some things never change.
 

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You can't do an end run around the agent any more than you can do an end run around the union itself. The agent is an extension of the union, pursuant to the CBA and NLRB.

The authority and duty to promulgate these Regulations are also contained in the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) between the NFL and the NFLPA, which states as follows: [T]he National Football League Players Association is recognized as the sole and exclusive bargaining representative of present and future employee players in the NFL in a bargaining unit described as follows:

Article 48, Section 1, of the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement as amended further provides, among other things, that: The NFL and the Clubs recognize that, pursuant to federal labor law, the NFLPA will regulate the conduct of agents who represent players in individual contract negotiations with Clubs. On or after the date on which the NFLPA notifies the NFL that an agent regulation system is in effect and provides the NFL with a list of the NFLPA-certified agents, Clubs are prohibited from engaging in individual contract negotiations with any agent who is not listed by the NFLPA as being duly certified by the NFLPA in accordance with its role as exclusive bargaining agent for NFL players.


https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/PDFs/Agents/RegulationsAmendedAugust2016.pdf
This agent nfl contract does nothing to say the owners can't negotiate with a player.
This is only outlining the rules the agents need to follow. Thats it.
 

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It’s not a dumb rule, really. It’s there to protect the players. The agents can be greedy and sleazy...no doubt about it. But the owners would royally screw the players if they didn’t have representation.

Exactly. There are definitely sleazy agents out there but that is true for any profession. They are there to protect the players. Owners are greedy as heck and would screw over every single player if they could. They are very necessary to keep everything running smoothly.
 

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Exactly. There are definitely sleazy agents out there but that is true for any profession. They are there to protect the players. Owners are greedy as heck and would screw over every single player if they could. They are very necessary to keep everything running smoothly.
the NFLPA is attempting to control and manipulate the system along with said agent. THAT IS COLLUSION. Its no coincidence.
 

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Thank you...I was actually tempted to try to dig it up. It's laughable that some people want to dismiss this rule as being 'non existent'.

It's there to protect the members of the union - the players. Now, is it always followed to the letter of the law? Of course not...and I'm sure the Cowboys are not alone on an island being accused of violating it.

But the naivety of some people is actually kind of scary. They don't even realize it, but they are part of the reason why laws like this exist in the first place.
You should dig it up or show where anything posted or in the CBA says owners can't negotiate with a player who has an agent.

It's up to the player to tell the owner to speak to his agent. There is no rule (that anyone has shown me) that says an owner is violating the CBA by negotiating with a player.
 

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You can't do an end run around the agent any more than you can do an end run around the union itself. The agent is an extension of the union, pursuant to the CBA and NLRB.

The authority and duty to promulgate these Regulations are also contained in the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) between the NFL and the NFLPA, which states as follows: [T]he National Football League Players Association is recognized as the sole and exclusive bargaining representative of present and future employee players in the NFL in a bargaining unit described as follows:

Article 48, Section 1, of the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement as amended further provides, among other things, that: The NFL and the Clubs recognize that, pursuant to federal labor law, the NFLPA will regulate the conduct of agents who represent players in individual contract negotiations with Clubs. On or after the date on which the NFLPA notifies the NFL that an agent regulation system is in effect and provides the NFL with a list of the NFLPA-certified agents, Clubs are prohibited from engaging in individual contract negotiations with any agent who is not listed by the NFLPA as being duly certified by the NFLPA in accordance with its role as exclusive bargaining agent for NFL players.


https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/PDFs/Agents/RegulationsAmendedAugust2016.pdf
I believe you are misunderstanding what this is saying.
It is not saying an owner is forbidden from negotiating with a player. It is saying the NFLPA is the exclusive players union and any agent who represents a player in this union must us a union approved agent.
 

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It probably came from the comment I heard that if Jerry could just sit down with Elliott one on one for a few minutes they could probably come to an agreement and work something out.

I don’t recall if that came from Cowboys front office or media?
Either way agents put a damper on contract talks alot
 

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I believe you are misunderstanding what this is saying.
It is not saying an owner is forbidden from negotiating with a player. It is saying the NFLPA is the exclusive players union and any agent who represents a player in this union must us a union approved agent.
Yep, those phrases have nothing to do with the allegation here!
 

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Good ...... I hope the Joneses get slapped down ......maybe one day the NFL will force them to sell the team.
 

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This agent nfl contract does nothing to say the owners can't negotiate with a player.
This is only outlining the rules the agents need to follow. Thats it.

I'll spell it out one more time, for someone who has obviously never negotiated a CBA.

The NFLPA is the sole bargaining agent. Owners can't go around them (pursuant to federal law). The NFLPA controls agents and decides who can work on their behalf, therefore owners can't go around agents (pursuant to the CBA).

The CBA doesn't have to say "owners can't negotiate with a player" because the CBA recognizes the NFLPA as the sole bargaining agent. As such, owners can't go around them by law.
 

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I'll spell it out one more time, for someone who has obviously never negotiated a CBA.

The NFLPA is the sole bargaining agent. Owners can't go around them (pursuant to federal law). The NFLPA controls agents and decides who can work on their behalf, therefore owners can't go around agents (pursuant to the CBA).

The CBA doesn't have to say "owners can't negotiate with a player" because the CBA recognizes the NFLPA as the sole bargaining agent. As such, owners can't go around them by law.
That is a lot of reading between the lines on a legal document. Which usually is not what you want in a legal document.
 

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The business of contracts, from the owners' viewpoint, is what's the risk? So they get fined and a slap on the wrist, some have saved more than the fine by appealing to the player.

One thing to consider is that a large % of these players are not smart, not their fault, the smart sperm were poor swimmers, and the agent is only going to line out what is in his own best interest. This is not to say that they don't care about the player because some do but their job is to get the fattest commission for them and their company. And use that to get more clients.

Is it not fair for an owner to talk to his employee or potential employee about the salient factors of his city and team? Doesn't mean he can end run the agent and try to negotiate the player down but he can put forth some positives about joining or staying with his team to counter only the $ side that the agent is using. But in all fairness to the agent, he is hired to get the best possible deal for his client.

If you were an agent and felt you could get more for your client, would you not advise him to stand firm? The player can always take the last deal offered, they don't punish them by retracting the offer. The agent is there to make sure the player keeps his eyes on the prize.
 

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So Jerry is not allowed to directly call one of his employees under contract?

Is he player being forced to take the call and agree to meet?

Unions ruin everything. Always.
 

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That is a lot of reading between the lines on a legal document. Which usually is not what you want in a legal document.

Which is precisely why players need representation. Why the rule exists. Most players can't read through a legal contract an understand all the parameters. The owners would be telling them they're getting that beautiful burger that's shown on the highway billboard, and then later reality will slap them in the face and they'll be left asking "where's the beef"?
 

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I'll spell it out one more time, for someone who has obviously never negotiated a CBA.

The NFLPA is the sole bargaining agent. Owners can't go around them (pursuant to federal law). The NFLPA controls agents and decides who can work on their behalf, therefore owners can't go around agents (pursuant to the CBA).

The CBA doesn't have to say "owners can't negotiate with a player" because the CBA recognizes the NFLPA as the sole bargaining agent. As such, owners can't go around them by law.
An owner isnt going around an agent by the player choosing to negotiate with them.

It would be a violation if the owner refused to work with a union approved agent. There is a big difference. A player has the right to speak directly with an owner on his own behalf. It would be going around his agent if the owner either refused to work with the agent or didnt submit the contract for agent review ect.
 

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Unions are in place to protect to players from the owners running ruffshot over everyone.

If employees didn’t have some rights owners had to adhere to we’d still be operating like a third world country.
 

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So Jerry is not allowed to directly call one of his employees under contract?

Is he player being forced to take the call and agree to meet?

Unions ruin everything. Always.
If Elliott was in Camp it might be a different scenario in at least chatting about the future without any specifics of a contract.

The fact he’s holding out for a new contract probably relinquishes ownership from discussing directly contract negotiations. They could probably discuss the current contract.

And I’m assuming since he’s still under contract they could still visit socially or team related issues as long as no details of the negotiations were discussed.
 

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@superonyx

Because the CBA gives the NFLPA authority to set rules governing agents who represent their players. If you want to represent yourself, don't hire an agent.

https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/PDFs/Agents/RegulationsAmendedAugust2016.pdf
A. Persons Subject to Regulations
No person (other than a player representing himself) shall be permitted to conduct indi-
vidual contract negotiations on behalf of a player* and/or assist in or advise with respect
to such negotiations with NFL Clubs after the effective date of these Regulations unless he/
she is (1) currently certified as a Contract Advisor pursuant to these Regulations; (2) signs
a Standard Representation Agreement with the player (See Section 4; Appendix D); and
(3) files a fully executed copy of the Standard Representation Agreement with the NFLPA,
along with any contract(s) between the player and the Contract Advisor for other services
to be provided

That is directly from the PDF I quoted.
 

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If Elliott was in Camp it might be a different scenario in at least chatting about the future without any specifics of a contract.

The fact he’s holding out for a new contract probably relinquishes ownership from discussing directly contract negotiations. They could probably discuss the current contract.

And I’m assuming since he’s still under contract they could still visit socially or team related issues as long as no details of the negotiations were discussed.
What prevents a player from speaking with his boss about a new contract if he wants to?

Lawrence did. Jaylon did. That's what is pissing off the NFLPA. What business is it of theirs if that's what players want to do?
 

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What prevents a player from speaking with his boss about a new contract if he wants to?

Lawrence did. Jaylon did. That's what is pissing off the NFLPA. What business is it of theirs if that's what players want to do?
It might be ok if he was in Camp. The fact he’s holding out probably is the difference.
 
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