NHL Season 2014-2015

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Hockey starts tonight!

There are some great games on the line tonight; notably MTL vs. TOR, LA vs. SJ, and PHIL vs. BOS.

Then we have Stars vs. Blackhawks tomorrow! I am pumped for the Stars this year.

Seguin and Spezza down the middle, oh my my.

 
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2-2 After 2 periods in the MTL-Toronto game.

Hope my Leafs can pull a win out!
 

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It's going to be funny watching how disappointed Stars fans end up being in Spezza and Hemsky :laugh:

Those two are not the answer for a cup contender, though they do give them three legit lines.
 

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It's going to be funny watching how disappointed Stars fans end up being in Spezza and Hemsky :laugh:

Those two are not the answer for a cup contender, though they do give them three legit lines.

Um adding them to fill out your top 6 will not be disappointing... Not to mention the deep prospect pool coming up. Seguin - Spezza 1-2 punch is easily one of the best top 6 center duos in the league, and that pushes Roussel-Eakin-Garbutt to the 3rd line. They will have one of the best offenses in the league this year. Defensive prospects will be coming along shortly. Nemeth, Oleksiak, Jokipakka, Klingberg, and Honka are all promising defenders in the system that will crack the NHL soon. Plenty of forward depth with potential to in the system.

Rangers fan right?
 

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Um adding them to fill out your top 6 will not be disappointing... Not to mention the deep prospect pool coming up. Seguin - Spezza 1-2 punch is easily one of the best top 6 center duos in the league, and that pushes Roussel-Eakin-Garbutt to the 3rd line. They will have one of the best offenses in the league this year. Defensive prospects will be coming along shortly. Nemeth, Oleksiak, Jokipakka, Klingberg, and Honka are all promising defenders in the system that will crack the NHL soon. Plenty of forward depth with potential to in the system.

Rangers fan right?
My point is that Spezza and Hemsky are not guys you can depend on. Talent-wise they're both great, but they don't play any sort of a physical game and don't defend. Since 2008 Spezza is like a -33 and Hemsky has been a negative plaeyr every year since 2010. In that conference, that's a recipe for disaster. You really want those guys out there against the likes of Ryan Kesler, Jeff Carter, Granlund, Stastny, and Mackinnon? They'll get torched.

Last year, they're problem was keeping the puck out of their own net, no team with more goals allowed in the West made the playoffs. They haven't done anything to address that, and if you can't defend, you can't have post-season success.

I like the Stars' young players, they're better off having those guys get second line minutes because they're physical and more competitive. This season, they would have been better off letting the likes of Fiddler, Peverley, and Horcoff - who are decent players in their own right - handle the third line and checking responsibilities so that the top 6 could focus solely on offense. Now, their either in a position to ask that young third line to check, limit their minutes becuase you need to get the vets out there to defend, OR run the risk of defending with all of those skill guys who aren't really two-way players.

Spezza has been on the trading block for a long, long time, and the fans there gave up on him a while ago. I don't think he's going to be the difference maker that Stars fans are hoping for, especially since they aren't cup contenders this year anyways.

And yes, Let's Go Rangers!
 

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Um adding them to fill out your top 6 will not be disappointing... Not to mention the deep prospect pool coming up. Seguin - Spezza 1-2 punch is easily one of the best top 6 center duos in the league, and that pushes Roussel-Eakin-Garbutt to the 3rd line. They will have one of the best offenses in the league this year. Defensive prospects will be coming along shortly. Nemeth, Oleksiak, Jokipakka, Klingberg, and Honka are all promising defenders in the system that will crack the NHL soon. Plenty of forward depth with potential to in the system.

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My point is that Spezza and Hemsky are not guys you can depend on. Talent-wise they're both great, but they don't play any sort of a physical game and don't defend. Since 2008 Spezza is like a -33 and Hemsky has been a negative plaeyr every year since 2010. In that conference, that's a recipe for disaster. You really want those guys out there against the likes of Ryan Kesler, Jeff Carter, Granlund, Stastny, and Mackinnon? They'll get torched.

Last year, they're problem was keeping the puck out of their own net, no team with more goals allowed in the West made the playoffs. They haven't done anything to address that, and if you can't defend, you can't have post-season success.

I like the Stars' young players, they're better off having those guys get second line minutes because they're physical and more competitive. This season, they would have been better off letting the likes of Fiddler, Peverley, and Horcoff - who are decent players in their own right - handle the third line and checking responsibilities so that the top 6 could focus solely on offense. Now, their either in a position to ask that young third line to check, limit their minutes becuase you need to get the vets out there to defend, OR run the risk of defending with all of those skill guys who aren't really two-way players.

Spezza has been on the trading block for a long, long time, and the fans there gave up on him a while ago. I don't think he's going to be the difference maker that Stars fans are hoping for, especially since they aren't cup contenders this year anyways.

And yes, Let's Go Rangers!

+/- is overrated. Both players have been on terrible teams. And yes, I will take Spezza over Carter, Granlund, and Stastny. Not Mackinnon though.

The Stars are not ready to contend this season, but they did not address the defense because they have a log jam of talented young players on defense that are developing and their was no free agents worth splashing on. Nill cashes in when the deal is right, he's not going to overpay to slightly upgrade the defense. The top 6 is in a much better shape this year with Spezza and Hemsky, I don't get how you can't see that. Fiddler, Pevs, and Horcoff are very solid 4th line veterans who can help kill penalties and stuff like that. That young third line is where they are going to stay, they are third line talents. In the system we have guys like Dickinson and Ritchie who are more likely to crack the top 6 in the future than Roussel/Garbutt. Even Sceviour on the 4th line (who will play top 6 tonight cause Cole is scratched) is more of a top 6 player. Garbutt and Roussel are much better suited for defensive duties.
 

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Dallas was actually middle of the pack in goals against. Beefing up the second line will only increase puck possession. Plus these guys are going to help out majorly on the PP, which was arguably the area that needed most improvement last season.
 

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+/- is overrated. Both players have been on terrible teams. And yes, I will take Spezza over Carter, Granlund, and Stastny. Not Mackinnon though.

The Stars are not ready to contend this season, but they did not address the defense because they have a log jam of talented young players on defense that are developing and their was no free agents worth splashing on. Nill cashes in when the deal is right, he's not going to overpay to slightly upgrade the defense. The top 6 is in a much better shape this year with Spezza and Hemsky, I don't get how you can't see that. Fiddler, Pevs, and Horcoff are very solid 4th line veterans who can help kill penalties and stuff like that. That young third line is where they are going to stay, they are third line talents. In the system we have guys like Dickinson and Ritchie who are more likely to crack the top 6 in the future than Roussel/Garbutt. Even Sceviour on the 4th line (who will play top 6 tonight cause Cole is scratched) is more of a top 6 player. Garbutt and Roussel are much better suited for defensive duties.
+/- is overrated a bit, but numbers that poor can't really be ignored. I'm not questioning whether or not you'd want Spezza over those guys, it's that he can't match up with them defensively. Those are second-line guys that he would be matched up against, and they all play with good scoring wingers (toffoli, steen, tarasenko, hossa, iginla, etc.) that Hemsky is going to match with, to some extent.

The top 6 is in better shape, offensively, I guess...and he'll help the powerplay. But it doesn't make them any more of a contender. I don't buy the idea that Spezza and Hemsky are going to drive better puck possession, and certainly don't believe that they're going to be better defensively because of it (idk if you believe that Corsi is indicative of anything, but was 13th on the Sens at -.1 last year. That's including a lot of time with Karlsson on the ice too). If that was the case, they wouldn't have been so bad last year. That's particularly true for Spezza - who I've seen a lot more of than Hemsky - because he's a transition player who needs time and space, not a guy who is going to win puck battles and fight for possession. To win in the West, you absolutely have to be able to do that.

Last year, against the Hawks, Kings, Blues, Sharks, Avs, Ducks, and Wild, in 14 games, he was a -12 and had just 9 points. The Preds, Yotes, and Jets were the only teams he was a + against. I don't think its reasonable to expect that to improve over more games. If you really dig into his +/-, you'll see that his numbers are just awful game to game. He had more games as a -3 than +2. That's with the majority of his games against the much weaker East.

I guess I'm not familiar enough with the likes of Roussel and Garbutt, maybe you're right in that regard. But I'd rather have those young guys getting 17 min a night and working hard than Spezza.
 

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Great first game. Crawford was on fire tonight but we definitely looked like the better team. Couple tidbits, no Jamie Benn in the shootout? Also Hemsky come on man.
 

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Great first game. Crawford was on fire tonight but we definitely looked like the better team. Couple tidbits, no Jamie Benn in the shootout? Also Hemsky come on man.

IMO everybody that went in the shootout is better than Benn.
 

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We were going to put Galchenyuk at centre this year but we still have the other three centres so right now he is on left wing with Plekanec and Sekac.
 

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I like them in the East. Huge fan of PK, and look forward to Galchenyuk breaking out.
They might make it out of the East but that's because every team in the conference is so seriously flawed. For all the talent PK has, he still makes huge mental mistakes and is pretty up and down.

Every team who makes the playoffs will have as good a shot as every other I think.
 
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