No CBA... intentionally???

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So, do you think this will usher in a return of the "quality" football from yesteryear? -- which you yourself have noticed is not quite what it once was. And do you imagine... perhaps.... by chance..... that this might be the secret reason for it?

It has made the airwaves a lot lately; prognosticators pointing out the declined level of play in the league. Here, why don't we ask Chris Mortensen:


ME: "Hey, Chris. What do you think about the effects of returning to an un-salary-capped league? And why would the players union be willing to do so? I mean, yeah, some players will make A LOT of money. But gone will be the protection for the proverbial 'little guy'. Without a CBA, there will be no minimum salaries, either. Whereas, currently, vested veterans (7 years in the league) are guaranteed a minimum salary of seven-hundred-and-something-dollars, without a CBA, there's no guarantee for anyone. Why would the players dig on that, as well as having to wait 6 years for free-agency--rather than only 4? I mean, what gives?"

CHRIS MORTENSEN (his actual answer): Good question..don't know if I have all the answers. But the players will only have a tighter money market this year...after this year, there will be plenty of money. Sure, big stars may get more but there will be plenty to go around...and no salary cap can work for the players. There will be another CBA at some point and that will address benefits...in the uncapped year '07 under this current agreement, owners do not make their annual contribution to most of the benefit funds but the following years will certainly be negotiated with those things in tact. Could there be a strike/lockout in '08? Sure but a deal will get done at some point. Owners will lose the safety net of cost controls but good management, scouting, coaching will still rule in this league - perhaps more than ever. That may not be a bad thing. It's not a very good league right now in terms of quality of game and the current system is a contributor to that demise.

CHRIS MORTENSEN (continued): The league is a bad league right now. The quality of play is marginal at best. Too many rookies and young players are forced onto the field too early. The pereception of parity - that a team can turn it around in one year - creates an owner and public unrest when things don't go right. That triggers too many firings, too many changes, and that affects the game. It's one reason why quarterbacks struggle in this league, too. Deep subject.



So, if everyone else is noticing what I am... declined level of play, boring games, disappointing Superbowls, sloppy performances, less of the spectacular... then do you think that the "decision" to not agree on a new CBA at this point could have possibly been: ON PURPOSE?!

I mean, think about it. If we know one thing, it's that the NFL is committed to producing a quality product. More than in any other sport, in my opinion, this league takes great, great care in its presentation and "image". And so, I'm sure that if we on an internet message board are privy to the conversation and experience of poor play (which nobody likes to watch), the owners & league officials are as well.

So, given that not having a salary-cap is bound to lead us back to an NFL landscape that more resembles the "quality" of yesteryear, who here can fathom that this was all done on purpose? I mean, the supposed quibble is over 3.8 percentage points? This is why everyone is just up & walking away from the table??

I... don't think so.


But hey, maybe that's just me...

:rolleyes:














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there were more boring games before "parity." Sure there were the great matchups between the really good teams every now and then, but there was a lot more crap games between the really good teams and the really bad teams. Now, every game has a chance to be a good contest, even if the teams aren't the best out there. Individual teams aren't as good as they once were, but the league as a whole is better.
 

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ChldsPlay said:
there were more boring games before "parity." Sure there were the great matchups between the really good teams every now and then, but there was a lot more crap games between the really good teams and the really bad teams. Now, every game has a chance to be a good contest, even if the teams aren't the best out there. Individual teams aren't as good as they once were, but the league as a whole is better.

I disagree...

before Free agency...there was continuity not just in the starters but in their backups as well...even the worst of teams played a better brand of football than what we have now...the nfl had to make more and more rule changes just to make the game semi interesting and it has become just "pitch and catch" blech
 

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What I liked about having no salary cap was the fact that teams were built through the draft. If you had a bonanza draft you could pay your players well and not worry about going over the cap limit. Why should another team reap the benefits of a player that was mentored and brought up with another organization? ie Alvin Harper, Russel Maryland, Ron Stone, etc..
 

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Something people need to understand is that FA and the salary cap are creatures of Paul Tagliabue and the owners of lousy teams who wanted to level the playing field and it is NEVER going to change back.

Owners like Bidwell, Modell, Ford, McCaskey, Brown, Benson, etc. who wouldn't spend what it took to field a winner consistently were the guys who pushed for FA and the salary cap so that it would hinder the teams that would spend whatever it took to put a good team together.

I guess you could go all the way back to Pete Rozelle and or even Dan Reeves who came up with the whole revenue sharing plan and blame them but they still wanted teams to be free to spend what they could to build winners. They never envisioned the kind of parity we have now.

Tagliabue is the worst thing to happen to the NFL since the early George Preston Marshall.
 

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THUMPER said:
They never envisioned the kind of parity we have now.

Tagliabue is the worst thing to happen to the NFL since the early George Preston Marshall.
Parity = mediocrity.

Right on the :money: about Tags.
 

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ChldsPlay said:
there were more boring games before "parity." Sure there were the great matchups between the really good teams every now and then, but there was a lot more crap games between the really good teams and the really bad teams. Now, every game has a chance to be a good contest, even if the teams aren't the best out there. Individual teams aren't as good as they once were, but the league as a whole is better.
I am sorta in this boat. But then I hate losing depth because of salary cap.

Its not fair only 3 teams have a shot at winning without a cap. Its also not fair to share revenue with teams that want the money for thier pockets, instead of their teams. Maybe a sliding revenue plan, the more you spend the more you get back? The less you spend on your playerrs the less you get back??? But the 90's teams were boring to watch as the only reason to watch was to see how bad we beat them by, not to see if we won, we won before we even started the game most times. They were great to watch, they dismantled teams. But it was boring in reality. Parity adds something to the leagues. But so do cheapo owners.

I dont know what the answer is or whats best for the NFL. I can see both sides of this arguement from a fans perspective.
 

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big dog cowboy said:
Parity = mediocrity.

Right on the :money: about Tags.

Exactly. Parity = a 6 seed having a chance in hell of winning 3 straight road games and the Super Bowl.

I honestly believe the Steelers and Seahawks would both have been crushed by any of the great Cowboy, Commander, or 49er teams.
 

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THUMPER said:
Something people need to understand is that FA and the salary cap are creatures of Paul Tagliabue and the owners of lousy teams who wanted to level the playing field and it is NEVER going to change back.

Owners like Bidwell, Modell, Ford, McCaskey, Brown, Benson, etc. who wouldn't spend what it took to field a winner consistently were the guys who pushed for FA and the salary cap so that it would hinder the teams that would spend whatever it took to put a good team together.

I guess you could go all the way back to Pete Rozelle and or even Dan Reeves who came up with the whole revenue sharing plan and blame them but they still wanted teams to be free to spend what they could to build winners. They never envisioned the kind of parity we have now.

Tagliabue is the worst thing to happen to the NFL since the early George Preston Marshall.

Salary cap was Jerry's idea
 
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