No More Mr. Nice Guy!

[CCBoy]

Honest question: does Crawford's pay still outstrip his performance? I know that was the case in the first few years of the deal, but I'm not sure his price tag still looks inflated by current standards. And he actually had a pretty decent season for us this past year.

He could fill in as a strong rotational player...but Dallas needs both a dominant defensive tackle and a dominant defensive end. Not to mention a playmaker at safety...and some defined leadership on the defensive side of the ball while on the field.

 

[Stash]

That’s exactly how you read it when you see them lol. You think about school girls when you see “lol”? That’s what I mean by you are better than that....or I thought you were anyway.

That's exactly how I read it. As the actions of a child. Anyone who throws that crap into discussions discredits themselves, not anybody else.

 

[CCBoy]

$8 million got the Vikings Sheldon Richardson, a defensive tackle who does have a true starting position. A former first round pick and Pro Bowl talent. That's what they got for $8 million.

The Atlanta Falcons got better production from former Cowboy Jack Crawford, at 1/3 of what the Cowboys paid Tyrone Crawford.

Honestly, if you look around, it's easy to see how much better you can do for $8 million.

I'll take up your point...right now I'd take Richardson for Lee's current annual cost on the cap.

 

[CCBoy]

I think Crawford is being underpaid because he has no eyebrows. We need to put a stop to pay discrimination.

...I'm glad he didn't take to tats.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That's exactly how I read it. As the actions of a child. Anyone who throws that crap into discussions discredits themselves, not anybody else.

So let’s end this here....you think about school girls when you see “lol”??

 

[Stash]

It helps when the opposing coaches don't know exactly where your entire D line is going on every snap.

What was Crawford's excuse the year before then? When in 2018, what some people want to call this team's "starter" at right defensive end recorded exactly zero sacks against opponents starting left tackles?

What's the excuse then?

 

[Stash]

So let’s end this here....you think about school girls when you see “lol”??

I'll tell you again, go back and reread things until you actually understand them, as many times as it takes. Starting with the original post in this thread which you still obviously haven't figured out yet.

Keep at it until you understand.

 

[JohnBoy]

Honestly, if you look around, it's easy to see how much better you can do for $8 million.

Who would you replace Crawford with this off-season?

 

[Stash]

I'll take up your point...right now I'd take Richardson for Lee's current annual cost on the cap.

Thanks, I'm glad you understand where I'm coming from. At least you would now have an actual starter on your defensive line, instead of some guy you're shoe-horsing in at "some position" out there.

And that's what I'm looking for with my $8 million. A real, bonafide, actual starter. And that's not too much to ask at all.

 

[Stash]

Who would you replace Crawford with this off-season?

I'd start with Sheldon Richardson. An actual defensive tackle. He's a 1st round talent, defensive rookie of the year, and has made the Pro Bowl. None of which Tyron Crawford is.

 

[ItzKelz]

In looking over the Cowboys roster, it's become apparent to me where their strengths and weaknesses lie. The players who help to make the team better and win games, and the guys who don't.

In my opinion, for far too long, this organization has placed too much value on being "team guys" and not enough on actually being good on the field at your job.

Before I continue, let me clarify for those who may be getting the wrong impression. I'm not suggesting turning into the Mean Machine and not caring about character. That would be pretty ironic to suggest on the day Randy Gregory gets indefinitely suspended, wouldn't it?

No, what I mean is that this team should no longer be beholden to "good guys" who are liabilities on the field.

Guys like:

• Sean Lee - as great of a "team" guy and leader as you will ever find. A de facto coach both on and off the field. A man whose character is beyond reproach. But his salary is far too high for the backup player he is at this point. Something's gotta give, and it's either a paycut or a divorce. Time to make a tough but necessary decision.

• Jeff Heath - another "great team guy", but a backup player who shouldn't be starting, and wouldn't be on any other team. He's had more than a fair opportunity to show that he can be a starter, and he hasn't. Time to get him off the field and improve that position.

• Tyrone Crawford - I hate to sound like a broken record, but this guy is the absolute poster child. His nickname should be "lowered expectations", because I've never seen more excuses for average play and big salary made than for this guy. I acknowledge that he's a team leader and I'm sure a great team guy. He has clearly done anything and everything this team has ever asked. And those are all admirable qualities. But the fact is that he doesn't help this team on the field, certainly not enough to warrant what he costs. The team is finally in position to get out from under a truly awful contract, and they need to do just that. The money can be put to far better use towards an impact player with a true starting position. This team needs both a defensive tackle and now a defensive end, not to pay a guy who sort of does both.

Again, these are three high character, team guys, role models in how they handle themselves and go about their business. But this is about more than that. It's about being able to effectively contribute on one of sixteen weeks in a far-too-short season. It's about being a difference maker on the field for those 60 minutes of gametime.

Two of the biggest needs this team has are currently occupied by two of these guys, and the third is now a backup. This team has big contracts coming up and needs to fill, the time for sentimentality is over and it's time to lose some weight and get a better handle on finances and get more bang for the buck than you're getting.

We've already found Lee's replacement. Tyron's replacement can't get right and will likely be suspended. Heath is just a guy.

 

[Stash]

Top DL are getting paid 23.5M per.

Crawford will make 7M in 2019.

And "top DL" are getting 20.5 sacks for the year, and terrifying opposing offenses.

Four times as much statistical production, and so much more overall.

That still doesn't make it look any better.

 

[Trendnet]

I'd start with Sheldon Richardson. An actual defensive tackle. He's a 1st round talent, defensive rookie of the year, and has made the Pro Bowl. None of which Tyron Crawford is.

Despite your protestations otherwise, Crawford is a real, bonafide, actual starter. Richardson will more than likely be on his 4th team, and only has 3 more career sacks than Crawford, despite starting 13 more games.

 

[Stash]

We've already found Lee's replacement.

So we stop paying Lee now that he's "been replaced" right?

Tyron's replacement can't get right and will likely be suspended.

That would depend on exactly who you consider "Tyrone's replacement"?

is just a guy.

"Just a guy" who needs to be replaced at safety.

 

[Stash]

Despite your protestations otherwise, Crawford is a real, bonafide, actual starter.

Where? Let's dig into that. Where is he YOUR "starter"?

Richardson will more than likely be on his 4th team,

And what does this have to do with anything?

and only has 3 more career sacks than Crawford, despite starting 13 more games.

And first round talent, and defensive rookie of the year honors, and Pro Bowl accolades. And he has an actual, "real, bonafide, starting" position at defensive tackle.

 

[Trendnet]

Where? Let's dig into that. Where is he YOUR "starter"?



And what does this have to do with anything?



And first round talent, and defensive rookie of the year honors, and Pro Bowl accolades. And he has an actual, "real, bonafide, starting" position at defensive tackle.

He starts at DE and DT, he has proven that over and over.

I get it, Richardson made the probowl 5 seasons ago. Nice.
The Jets didn't want him.
Seattle didn't want him
Minnesota only gave him a 1 year contract.

I really don't see Richardson as an upgrade over Crawford.

But hey, you've heard of him, so he must be good.

 

[Stash]

He starts at DE and DT, he has proven that over and over.

He's lined up there because the Cowboys grossly overpaid him and have nobody else. Not because he's good at the job. You know it and I know it. What "starting right defensive end" is taken off the field in passing situations? Again, you know it and I know it.

I get it, Richardson made the probowl 5 seasons ago. Nice.

Let me know when Crawford did that?

The Jets didn't want him.

Couldn't afford him with all of the other defensive linemen they had invested in. And then they traded him for a second round pick and a starting wide receiver. The history lesson is free.

Seattle didn't want him

Seattle couldn't afford him and the Vikings offered more money.

Minnesota only gave him a 1 year contract.

Anyone ever come chasing after Tyrone Crawford? Nah, didn't think so.

I really don't see Richardson as an upgrade over Crawford.

They're called Cowboys fan goggles.

But hey, you've heard of him, so he must be good.

And I actually know about his history, unlike you obviously.

Clearly, if they don't have that star on their helmet, you don't know. But if they do, they're immediately better than they truly are.

 

[Montanalo]

Why can't we all just get along?

I think @stasheroo posed a reasonable question about shedding over-valued contracts for under-valued performance.

While I may not agree 100 percent with unloading Crawford, this year's draft certainly sets us up to do so even without a number one pick. With the projected depth at DL, we could potentially add both a DE and a DT in the draft along with a well-placed DL FA.

Literally, we could re-build the DL in a single year. Would I do this - probably not as it scares the crap out of me.

Taking this path means (probably) foregoing a TE in the draft - not a big issue for me as I thought we could easily get by with a mid-range FA acquisition. It also means (probably) not drafting a safety until the later rounds, if at all.

All doable, but a bit unsettling.

 

[Stash]

Why can't we all just get along?

I think @stasheroo posed a reasonable question about shedding over-valued contracts for under-valued performance.

Thank you for understanding what I was trying to say.

This team needs better return on investment and bang for their buck. Just because someone is a "team guy" doesn't mean they'd should be overpaid or starting.

While I may not agree 100 percent with unloading Crawford, this year's draft certainly sets us up to do so even without a number one pick.

I'm not hell bent on dumping him, but his contract has to come down for what he is - which is a rotational player who isn't special and doesn't impact wins and losses. He's Jack Crawford, who makes $3 million a year, not $9 million.

With the projected depth at DL, we could potentially add both a DE and a DT in the draft along with a well-placed DL FA.

Literally, we could re-build the DL in a single year. Would I do this - probably not as it scares the crap out of me.

On the plus side, the need lines up with the strength of this draft.

Taking this path means (probably) foregoing a TE in the draft - not a big issue for me as I thought we could easily get by with a mid-range FA acquisition. It also means (probably) not drafting a safety until the later rounds, if at all.

All doable, but a bit unsettling.

I didn't want a TE high in the draft. They don't contribute a lot as rookies anyway.

 

[Jarv]

I'd start with Sheldon Richardson. An actual defensive tackle. He's a 1st round talent, defensive rookie of the year, and has made the Pro Bowl. None of which Tyron Crawford is.

Good player, but has some warts himself. Probably why he can had for a cheaper price. He is the definition of no more Mr. nice guy . Having said that, I'm behind you 100%!

1. Suspended for drug use (4 games, pot).
2. New York Jets defensive end Sheldon Richardson has been disciplined by the team for making a profanity-laced Snapchat video in the locker room two hours before losing to the Miami Dolphins last Saturday night
3. He was suspended by the Jets for one quarter of a game, due to tardiness issues.
4. Richardson was charged in St. Charles County, Missouri, with resisting arrest and multiple traffic violations for an incident on July 14. Officers followed Richardson into a nearby neighborhood, and observed his brake lights in the driveway of a home. According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Richardson exited the car, along with two adult men and a 12-year-old boy. A fully loaded semi-automatic handgun was allegedly found underneath the driver’s side floor mat, and the officer said the car smelled of marijuana.