Non call on Carr hit forward pass

[pavalley]

I don't understand why they didn't call a penalty on the bucs on this play, didn't the ball clearly hit an offensive lineman ? I agree it wasn't a fumble but unless the rules have changed a lineman can't touch the ball first on a forward pass ?

 

[Swanny]

I don't understand why they didn't call a penalty on the bucs on this play, didn't the ball clearly hit an offensive lineman ? I agree it wasn't a fumble but unless the rules have changed a lineman can't touch the ball first on a forward pass ?

I said the same thing. But I THINK it has to be INTENTIONAL touching for it to be a penalty

 

[pavalley]

I said the same thing. But I THINK it has to be INTENTIONAL touching for it to be a penalty

I seem to remember qb's throwing it into the ground on a failed screen and seeing a flag ? not sure ?

 

[CowboysRule]

If the ball hits an Offensive lineman on a pass without being tipped or anything it is illegal touching and a penalty. I've seen QB's hit O-lineman in the back with the ball and it be called a penalty, the intention is irrelevant.

 

[pavalley]

If the ball hits an Offensive lineman on a pass without being tipped or anything it is illegal touching and a penalty. I've seen QB's hit O-lineman in the back with the ball and it be called a penalty, the intention is irrelevant.

thought so, why was such a blatant penalty missed ? even the commentators didnt reference it ? Not really a question based on the incompetence shown by the officiating crews this year ? but come on ! not sure what happened on the series, but if its clear it needs to be called.....

 

[bsbellomy]

It does not have to be intentional...the refs just missed the call.

 

[bsbellomy]

You just have to wonder how the Bucs were getting all those PI calls, and we can't get an easy one at the end. I'm not a believer in the conspiracy but all I can say is the refs were flat out terrible and most of their incompetence worked against us yesterday.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I have to think that if the defensive player influences the pass it is probably ok...like if there is a tipped ball and pass interference.

One could argue that he was not out of the pocket, did not get it past the line of scrimmage and not close to a eligible receiver (if all of those applied) and called it intentional grounding but I doubt the other one would count because the defensive player influenced the delivery of the ball.

 

[Hoofbite]

Wondering if it's because you cannot review penalties.

Ruled a fumble so the penalty never occurred. Instant replay can't review penalties (aside from 12 men) so they cannot change it now.

Be no different than coming back from the booth and dropping a flag for a holding call that went uncalled when the play was live.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

I do not believe I have ever seen that penalty called when the QB gets hit in the arm like that. It's no different than not calling intentional grounding when a QB's arm gets hit and the ball lands two feet in front of him with no receiver close by.

 

[gimmesix]

Wondering if it's because you cannot review penalties.

Ruled a fumble so the penalty never occurred. Instant replay can't review penalties (aside from 12 men) so they cannot change it now.

Be no different than coming back from the booth and dropping a flag for a holding call that went uncalled when the play was live.

That's true. If it was ruled a fumble, they had not reason to throw a flag for illegal touching since it wasn't viewed as a pass. Now, my personal view on a play like that is if a penalty is noticed in the course of replay, it should be called. If you're already under the hood, you might as well get the play right.

 

[Hoofbite]

That's true. If it was ruled a fumble, they had not reason to throw a flag for illegal touching since it wasn't viewed as a pass. Now, my personal view on a play like that is if a penalty is noticed in the course of replay, it should be called. If you're already under the hood, you might as well get the play right.

I think you'd then have every replay accompanied by a penalty. Sometimes taking turnovers and scores off the board, and sometimes not.

 

[CooterBrown]

I believe replay rules prohibit calling a penalty based on seeing it during a replay.

 

[bsbellomy]

I do not believe I have ever seen that penalty called when the QB gets hit in the arm like that. It's no different than not calling intentional grounding when a QB's arm gets hit and the ball lands two feet in front of him with no receiver close by.

I've seen it called PLENTY of time when it happened in conjunction with a hit on the QB. As others have stated here, I think it was the fact that they ruled the play a fumble. I forgot about that.

 

[CowboysRule]

I didn't see the play but if it was ruled a fumble then a forward pass never occurred. There can be no illegal touching or intentional grounding and you can't call a penalty during a replay.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

I didn't see the play but if it was ruled a fumble then a forward pass never occurred. There can be no illegal touching or intentional grounding and you can't call a penalty during a replay.

Sad thing is they reversed it and called it a forward pass so if they had gotten it right in the first place...

 

[gimmesix]

I think you'd then have every replay accompanied by a penalty. Sometimes taking turnovers and scores off the board, and sometimes not.

Possibly, but I'd rather them get it right than have a blatant penalty ignored because of some rule that you can't call penalties when looking at a replay.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I don't understand why they didn't call a penalty on the bucs on this play, didn't the ball clearly hit an offensive lineman ? I agree it wasn't a fumble but unless the rules have changed a lineman can't touch the ball first on a forward pass ?

I thought the same thing. If it was a forward pass, it was illegal touching. Perhaps they cannot call a penalty on a review though.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Wondering if it's because you cannot review penalties.

Ruled a fumble so the penalty never occurred. Instant replay can't review penalties (aside from 12 men) so they cannot change it now.

Be no different than coming back from the booth and dropping a flag for a holding call that went uncalled when the play was live.

although I was watching a college game, refs blew the play and said it was a fumble when it wasn't, there was a roughing call at the end of the runback on a non-fumble. The penalty stood. I'm thinking um, if you make the right call, no penalty happens as there is no runback.

 

[Kevinicus]

Does it matter? It was going to 4th down.